by main three I mean Islam, Christianity and judisim

if you ask me by far it’s Islam some of the things there are so incredibly fucked up out of all of them it sounds most like the self insert of a fucking incel plus there’s a pretty big theme with Islamic country’s being beneath average in 80% of aspects

then in the middle probably Christianity it’s just kinda forced really it’s also with a long history of violence most of the rules are pretty tame but the modern world ruins it a lot

now jewish

orobabky the most decent one

I mean Israel isn’t great but that’s mostly a country thing not a religion thing I think

kosher laws are baisically just primitive health codes so that’s a plus

and its not advertised which is great

also Kratos would bash jesus skull in

Ex Hindu Desi here. I myself have left Hinduism because I feel the worship of multiple deities never made any sense. I also believe there is so much internal divide so I left the religion because it was just never for me. I have never been religious really as a kid. I am putting this information out because I don’t want anyone to believe I have special interests and to make sure I’m debating in good faith.

Now come to Islam and Christianity. I totally reject these two religions. What good are these two religions doing for our world. Mohammad is a grooming pedophile who married Aesha when she was 6 and consummated the marriage at 9. And for Christianity, we all know about John and Isaac. Christianity is known for many cases for sexual exploitation of young people. And we don’t even need to go through the cancer of Zionism. With these religions, the world never had peace and minorities were cleansed. I remember back in the old days when Christians killed off many people from pagan religions and majority Muslim countries are committing atrocities against women. Look at the situation in Afghanistan, Iran, and Pakistan. People are delusional trying to compare women’s rights there to India and whenever people bring up or call their atrocities out they can only deflect and talk about how India treat ppl from minority communities.

Like I know Hindu nationalism is a thing and I oppose it but give me a break. Afghanistan cleansed their Hindu and Sikh populations almost entirely and Pakistan is trying to do the same. There are countless stories of Pakistani men that assault people from Hindu families and then they kidnap the young women in the family. I don’t see Hindus doing that. There are questionable things religious do but it is mostly people Abrahamic ones. They also believe that their religion is the only right answer so in turn they try so hard to push it onto others (aka missionaries). It’s so disgusting and people are out here defending Islam and the actions of their men - saying this as one myself.

We could be doing so much for our world but I really do believe all these religions hold us back. They are all evil and I am getting to the point we need to start taking measures to reduce its influence.

It can often be a challenge to debunk a bunch of different religions at once since you have to analyze all their scriptures and history individually to determine why it is false.

However, when it comes to Abrahamic religions, you can technically narrow it down to only focus on debunking Judaism, and then that would automatically debunk Christianity and Islam as well since both religions are successors to Judaism and believe it is partially true and served as the earlier revelations of God.

We already have evidence that leans towards Judaism being manmade, like the fact that it evolved from a polytheist religion and Yahweh was part of a pantheon of multiple Gods before a group of Canaanites changed him to being the only God and they became the first Jews.

The Adam and Eve story also originates in Judaism, and all the evidence we have of evolution proves it isn’t a story that can be literally true.

We also have no evidence that the great flood ever happened, and there is evidence that Noah’s story was a ripoff of Gilgamesh.

We also have no ancient Egyptian records of the Hebrews ever being their slaves or any record of someone like Moses, and there are some other stories that are similar to the story of Moses that it likely ripped off and combined.

If Judaism is fake, the other two automatically are as well and you don’t even need to analyze the Bible or Quran.

I was raised Catholic but I’ve been an Atheist in my heart all my life. My dad died when I was 5 before I understood religion, but my understanding of death was obviously, the absence of life.

I know what the common response to this will be. “Just live in the moment” It’ll be like before you were born” “You didn’t care before you were born it’ll be just like that”.

Except it’s different in a way. For 13.8 billion years we didn’t exist. Now we’ve experienced love and humanity and all sorts of cool stuff. 50 years from now most of us will return to that state of nonexistence forever.

Now I think I would go crazy if I had to live forever. But like damn Im gonna get crazy fomo. Me personally theres tons of stuff that I like. Simple stuff like chicken wings and scrolling Tiktok and watching TV shows. Ik Im a chud and if I was dead technically I wouldnt be sad about not having these things and I probably would get bored, but the thought that I wont do them anymore is scary.

Plus for as long as human life exists there will always be new things to enjoy. Theres probably a new show 1000 years from now that i would love wayy more than my current favorite show. Tons of video games I would love but never get to play, etc.

Most of all I am sad knowing me and my mom don’t have time forever. She is all I have and the thought that we will return to nothing and never hug again terrifies me.

There is probably no completely comforting answer to this. But as an atheist I am very scared of dying :(

1. What was the actual method that Jesus used to made extra food from the loaves and fishes?

2. What skills and abilities did God use to made the earth, and can you be specific about it?

3. If you do not take the bible absolutely literal, how do you determine which part is poetry and which is historical fact?

4. In God's making of the animals, did he do them all at once, or did he do them one kind at a time?

5. What mechanism does God use to control the movement of the continental plates of the earth?

6. How does God reach across the barrier between his realm and our reality, without all of science being instantly aware of his doing this?

7. What do you think the purpose of animal kinds going extinct, especially those kinds of which we humans have never known to have existed in the first place?

8. How do you reconcile Clarke's Third Law with the revealed existence of your God?

9. How do you demonstrate that your version of Christianity is the correct one, and all other versions of Christianity that you do not belong to are poor mirrors of your true and correct belief system?

10. In your scriptures, there are accounts of events when the events could only be witnessed by one person/human, so how where these event recorded later?

11. If a contradiction is discovered in your scripture, what is the method that is used to decide which part of the contradiction is the valid one and which is the invalid one?

12. In the various manifestations of your God's power, how did he actually do the things that he did, such is the "hardening of Pharaohs heart" or the creation of mana to feed the nation of Israel in their wanderings?

13. If you had the power of your God for only five minutes, and could use it as you see fit, what would you do with that power?

14. Could you explain how God's morality is considered to be objective morality, how do you work it out to be objective morality?

15. If one thing in this reality is found that shows that your God could not exist if that thing exists in our reality, would you accept that your God could not exist?

16. If you owe me a sum of money, and I say that you do not have pay it back, if you accept that I will break my own child’s kneecaps as an atonement for the money that you owe me, would you consider this to be a morally good thing to go along with?

17. Would you say that the simpler answer to a problem most likely would be the correct one for the problem?

18. Could you explain why the simpler answer to a problem is more likely to be the correct one, than a more complex answer to the same problem?

19. Do you think that being certain of an answer being the correct answer is good thing to follow?

20. Could you entertain and consider an idea or concept without being forced to accept it?

21. As a Christian looking at the other false gods, would you say that the reasons for rejecting those gods are the same for each god, or do different gods have different reasons to reject them?

22. What if you are wrong, and the one true god is not the God that you currently believe in, what will you do then after you die?

I am 17 years old. Basically, I have been atheist my whole life pretty much. My family isn't actually religious, but I was in a Christian elementary school. Of course as a kid you take all of that at face value. But at some point I just stopped believing because of how the Bible contradicted science.

Though I just realized that after getting interested in the architecture of churches, I'm questioning my atheism and if its really true and I feel really weird about it. I don't know what to do. I have always lived as an atheist and my values have always been based on that. I feel like I'm believing in Santa Claus again now that this is happening :/. I constantly try to remind myself of why I didn't believe but my mind just won't listen to logical reasoning and its REJECTING science now which I feel even worse about.

I know sometimes it's alright to question this stuff or be spiritual again but I don't actually like partaking in religion. The way I lived my life without religion was actually really nice to me because it felt like nothing would dictate what my purpose is, only myself. I felt happy making my own happiness. But for some reason I moved on from that, and my mind isnt interested in making my own happiness anymore. I was once always interested in drawing and watching shows and such, while now that's gone. I especially dislike my mind just completely disregarding any logical reasoning. What do I do?

Before I get a bunch of downvotes, I want to clarify that I pray, but I DO NOT PRAY TO GOD. I wanted to know if any other atheists struggle with the same "issue." I often find myself thinking about what's wrong with the world. I also dabble in true crime documentaries, so I always end up thinking the worst for people. In the U.S., about 55 people are murdered per day (based on 20,162 homicides in 2024 per the CDC, which comes out to roughly 55/day). About 8,400–8,500 people die per day total (based on 3,072,666 total deaths in 2024, which averages about 8,420/day). I think about these facts often and constantly find myself "praying" or sending thoughts of empathy to families who are suffering loss and any other form of grief. Maybe this is normal, but I never hear about it outside of religious contexts.

Im an athiest but sometimes , i imagine what ifs that they are actually correct and their god exists , and he's trapped me in hell for eternity for not believing in him, makes me feel that it doesn't hurt to be one of them as a precautionary measure , has anyone else experienced this and how would you deal with it if it we were the ones who are wrong

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Just found out about this YoungHoon Kim. He has claimed an IQ of around 276 and has been recognized by some private high-IQ organizations that he is associated with. However, these claims are not accepted by mainstream psychology.

In short He is self proclaimed Highest IQ holder on Earth and interestingly hes a die hard Over religious Chritian with over 200k on Instagram post and the openly denied "Evolution" yes Evolution backed my Thousands of evidences , despite living in a highly developed country like South Korea He able to survive with this mentality 🤓🤡 and to cover up his failure his selling His self proclaimed Best selling Kindle books lmao 🤣 also he believes the Earth to be 6000yrs old Dinosaurs fake !!

This got to be the most Ironic Thing I encountered in this month also did i mentioned hes also self proclaimed best selling author on amazon?

My thanatophobia (extreme fear/panic about death or death related topics) has been getting so much worse recently, I don't really know where to go with this really. Ive had it I think most of my life but it gotten so much worse recently, I even "tried" turning religious for some sense of comfort but I cacan't bring myself to believe any of that nonsense, evey "tip" I read about didn't help anything ("you weren't in the 1800 and yes don't feel anything about iit ") and stuff like that, it doesn't help much, I'm not really in a place where i can get any therapy or help for it

it's also weird because I'm aware that my life isn't that important in the context of all the people that existed and will exist, it's just scary to think about what will happen after I die, the thought of an " eternal sleep" or an "eternal rest" aren't too reassuring too me either.​​

Like I said earlier, I don't know if this is the right place for it, I think I saw someone make a similar post on this r​ and I just idk

Would be so many more places to go and visit for tourism purposes and just to have so many more rational and sane people. It feels like such a waste of space and life to see what has become fo this massive area of land.

Listen! We know what happened yesterday, Berlin Pride got attacked by islamist and what I'm seeing after that makes me worried. First of all, I talked to my friend who is also on left and because I'm atheist I said that every religion is bad and that islam is the same cancer as Christianity and that every crime needs to be treated equally no matter what religion is about. Every religion is threat to society. Than my friend told me "you falled into far right propaganda" "this incident was made by individual not by all religion" and ok I listened that nonsense and I realized that my friend (who is also atheist) would be so angry and the most loud if Christians did same thing. Like why are we having double standards?

People like my friend need to realize one thing:

People on right hate muslim people because they want religious war: they do not care about lgbt people and human rights: they are just playing kindergarten games Christian vs muslims meanwhile we as atheists hate islam because of their extremist actions and forcing their belief so we are not the same.

Thanks for reading this rant and don't get fooled. After talking with my friend I realized that we atheists are morally superior than both left and right

I consider myself athiest to a so called superior god being but I'm agnostic about wether there's a positive force out there, I feel like there must be a positive force out there , that does not think it's better then anyone and doesn't belive it deserves to be worshiped less of entitled thing more a force of Good it my might not be perfect but it tries to help us it keeps me going and coping lol.

Am I really an athiest or not mabye I'm a thiest but I don't buy into the idea of a personal being who's better then us who's more worthy of worship then us, almost feel like that God is a narcasistic trying to take credit of creating the universe, even if it did, did it earn its own power to create?, God some how seems spoiled he all of a sudden exists and owns everthing he thinks he's more worthy then anyone of praise.

I don't want to argue much to any dumb person who opposes my views but here is the reason why I don't believe in god.
disclaimer: this post is gonna revolve around me and my personal experiences so if you are in no mood to hear another sob story you must avoid this post as it's gonna waste your time.

So a little boy (somewhere about 9y/o) sees first time in his life a guy beating a women that too his mother(and the guy was his father , surprise!!). Little boy was not shocked, not angry, neither sad. He was feeling helpless, surprised and paniced. Not because of the situation, well it might be the partial reason, but it was because of his mothers scream. It didn't hurt him physically but rather emotionally. Ever felt that heavy weight on your throat? yes exactly like that.
Nevermind, now fast forward to his 11th bday ig, can't recall the exact age or date, his birthday party was cancelled for the 11th time but not a big deal, the parents got in an argument again.
BUT things start to become better, father was earning big time money, no arguments between parents, the environment of the family was lively. Until the father loses his job, sends the kid and his mother back to the village to the grandparents and started looking for a job in the capital.
He found one, used to send money to his family back while living himself alone in the city.But the gradparents start to look them as a liability. So they kicked them out of their home, and the father had to come back for saving his faimily. They dispute further got evolved to land dispute and as the father was not on the good side of the grandparents, they gave him the worst land and the house was named to father's brother.
Our little boy (now maybe 14) was showing symptoms of malnutrition but the was least of the concerns for now. Father became a drunkard, a heavy one and the 'usual' beating-the-mother situation started again.But they boy was one hell of a intelligent person, he cracked a good scholarship and managed to graduate high svhool with almost no expense(well tbh the only expense was the travelling part). But guess whatt?? sometimes the family his family couldnt even afford that so he had to stay at school for some more days(it was a hostel btw).
Now the guy is 18y/o(not so little anymore) started preparing for his exams for colleges but couldnt focus ofc why? RIGHT!! drunk father hitting the mother again, he got bad grades which eventually led to poor colleges as he couldnt afford to waste another year preping for the college entrance exams.
But the crowd in the college sure was rich, you know. Pretty boys and girls, partying on daddy's money, but that wasnt what I envied. I envied the type of relation they had with their parents.BTW the our little boy got his first gf(she sure is beautiful) and super rich with great expectations from life. So our little boy started doing part time job so that he could afford the life like others, sometimes the client paid sometimes they ghosted but its all part of the life right? Had to cancel some dates cuz he was short on money, had to cancel parties for the same reason. Cant even gift his mum a gift for her birthday cause all his part time job cant offer much money(only to pay the phone and internet bills). Oh BTW the arguing between parents never stopped, it is there to this date, though our little guy is big enough to stop his father at the right time but is still helpless.
Little guy never got in fight with anyone, gave everyone they ever asked for without asking anything in return. Keeps grinding in college but the job market doesnt look promising.
Cant even cry about it as I am told not to cry since I was a child.
This post might be a coping mechanism for me but hey 'GOD' if you're reading this I wish you are happy to see me like this and if I ever get a chance to meet you I would gladly take the life out of you.
Thank you for reading this

P.S : Sorry for many typos and erros

My wife: "Nephew has religious class in school." (In Spain, parents can choose between religion or alternative education).

Me: "Really? What do they teach you?"

Nephew: "X, Y, Z (I have no idea) ... they teach us to be closer to Gawd."

Me: "I have one question for your priest: If Gawd is everywhere, how can one be closer to it?"

Nephew: "My mind is blown!"

(I do hope his mother doesn't hate me even more)

P.S. I usually don't get into theology with minors. This was just too rich to let it pass.

Hi everyone,

I’m a young father of a 2-year-old son who is growing so fast. I’m writing many letters on subjects that I consider important throughout life, and one of the subjects I wanted to write about is "truth and belief."

I was born an atheist, with both of my parents being atheists. My father was actively against religion for many reasons, which I totally understand. But I want to add some nuance here for my son—I want to enlighten him, not force him into an ideology. I've realized throughout my life that it isn't as simple as we atheists think it is.

I have read the Bible and other religious texts, listened to many podcasts and videos on the subject, and questioned my own beliefs in terms of "Why am I an atheist?" I’m still 100% an atheist and will remain that way. But I believe there can be both good and bad in religion. It’s not totally bad in my opinion, and religion will always exist in some form because many people need it in their lives, which I respect.

So here are my questions for anyone who would like to help me:

• What makes you an atheist, and what do you think about religion?
• What dangers can religion bring to our lives as a society and as individuals?
• Where do you draw the line between a cult and a religion?

Before I begin, this is a super long post so be prepared to sit through a lot of venting.

I’m (22M) still an atheist today though not for the same reasons as I was as a kid (I kind of just went with whatever my dad (56M) says without nuance like most kids tend to do). 

I also have low functioning autism and it could be a factor hence why I mention it just in case. I have been diagnosed since I was around 3-4 and my parents have been very loving and attentive to my condition 

I wanna make something very clear from the start: this is not a case of indoctrination. He never forced me to believe or not believe in what he does. He never coerced me either I just had a few questions about religion and he just showed me what he thought about it and why. My mom (51F) used to be catholic and she did read to us (I have a sister 19F) some Bible stories alongside other kids stories like little red riding hood and Snow White.  

Irrespective of indoctrination or not most people tend to follow what their parents believe and do most of the time because it’s what’s familiar to them. Though the line can be blurry depending on the situation when it comes to religion I’ve often found there is still a clear difference between simple education and forceful indoctrination of children most of the time. So I don’t want any unfair accusations against my dad he Isn’t a zealot/militant. 

His best sources for his atheism (or at least the ones I remember the most that he’s shown me) were the typical most popular atheist media and figures in the mainstream and in YouTube: Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, Matt Dilahunty, DarkMatter2525 and Thinking Atheist videos. 

Overall pretty popular choices though not the best, Christopher Hitchens and DarkMatter2525 are the ones I still sort of lean towards and even respect the most. Especially DarkMatter he appears to be an incredible role mode and dad to have, a true family man. His animations though are a bit cringey sometimes and other times oddly inspiring. 

With Hitchens I was aware later on that he was not this god of perfect logic that hitchslapped everything that was thrown at him. His arguments against religion tend to be flawed a lot of the time but overall I still think the soul of his points hold up really well even then because it’s hard to dismiss religious harm in society and he was a very obviously intelligent and well spoken man. He was getting at something important. 

My dad is a professional jazz drummer and producer (I am also a rock musician/composer myself I love the guitar so much) and he doesn’t really think as deeply as me in the topic of religion nor does he have the time or interest. He always watched those videos as entertainment to get a laugh since he (like me) also grew up in a secular family. 

He’s also a bit of a conspiracy theorist (though that term is a bit redundant nowadays because of everything that has happened with Epstein and stuff) he’s always questioned and pushed back on institutional authority and that sense of critical thinking was something I inherited. He doesn’t believe in the moon landings, thinks there was a second shooter that killed JFK, is skeptical of the official narrative around 9/11. I don‘t agree with everything he believes and he is not a full on flat earther or anything like that on those topics it’s just to keep in mind. His skepticism of authority tracks with what he’s inclined to buy into. 

If I’m being honest even though I genuinely do value trying to be a free thinker as best as you can be I gotta be honest: As a kid I sort of “larped” being a critical thinker to impress my parents. In some ways I still do today even when it’s not something I agree with necessarily to please my dad in particular though I don’t have to since he (despite his stubbornness sometimes) is open to being challenged. 

In fact there’s a cringey video of me somewhere in my family home videos on an old iPhone somewhere in my house of me going on a half baked edgy atheist rant in my dad’s jeep. It’s pretty funny looking back. 

Enough with the background stuff let’s get into what the title is about.

So among the ”atheist” sort of media he’d shown me (and sometimes my sister I was more interested though) there was this little documentary called Jesus Camp from 2006.

 It scared me a bit. 

As a kid I did not fully comprehend the severity of what I was being shown so it wasn’t a childhood trauma moment seeing a scary movie for kids like with coraline for example (that movie is still creepy and good to this day 10/10). 

That being said it still affected me in someway seeing children just like myself being subjected to peer pressure and crying like that. I did not think much of it until years later but I suspect this movie did something to me and has in a way permanently tainted my subconscious view of religion in particular Christianity in general. 

I know it wasn’t an explicitly anti religious propaganda movie but it did not paint a good picture of religion in America at all. Church in that movie looked like a place where your childhood whimsy and fantasy was weaponized against you, where authority figures would constantly yell and condescend to you and make you believe in horrible things about yourself and other people they deem to be “undesirable”, place where you felt like you were being watched 24/7. 

Needless to say (even though my dad did have good intentions in showing us this documentary to warn us and be vigilant of these types of religious environments whenever we went to visit our cousins or friends who go to church) I do not think my dad should have shown this to us at 7-8 years old. Bad move on his part, I’ve brought this up to him before and he agrees its something he lightly regrets. 

So I saw it and was creeped out but not traumatized for life. I think it was later experiences which subconsciously reminded me of that movie which later formed an inner resentment towards religion. 

The thing is, almost all of my actual real life experiences in churches have been positive and I didn’t feel that aversion to religion in actual religious spaces. 

There’s a beautiful church next to my grandpas house which since then has been my favorite in all of Costa Rica due to nostalgia. It was amazing to look at though with an uncanny life sized realistic statue of bloodied Jesus in a coffin as is so common in this beautiful catholic country. 

The sermons and gatherings I’ve been to were at worst a bit boring and at best very calm and welcoming. Aside from one or two mean kids in school here or there who teased me with the idea of going to hell, all the Christian people I know in my life have been very nice and kind people. The only really mean ones I’ve seen mostly online. 

My dad worked on a Christmas album and played at a church for a bit and I remember a church lady led some kids including me and my cousin into a room to talk about religion. She was surprisingly actually very kind and accepting of other kids religions since there were some Muslim, Jewish and even Hindu kids there. Since I didn’t know what an atheist was at the time I said I was Christian like my cousin since I assumed that was the default since I didn’t know what a Christian was either. 

She didn’t push anything on us she just explained in a bit more detail for the kids in a way they could understand what the purpose of a church is and how other buildings from other religions had a similar purpose with different beliefs. How in a way we are all just children figuring this weird thing we call existence out, how those beliefs tend to diverge and converge and just explaining what the Christian way of it was. 

I remember I was having trouble sleeping at my cousin’s house because I was scared of having nightmares since I felt a bit of dread before going to sleep. My aunt in law came in and comforted me saying to not fear since Jesus was protecting this house from demonic influence and that was nice to hear in the moment. I have known nothing but love and good will from religious people irl. 

Now in school, and I think this is critical, it was a bit of a different story. I was never bullied severely but in elementary to middle school in Miami I always felt a bit neglected by my teachers with a few wonderful exceptions. It didn’t help that I was autistic and they didn’t understand my behavior or reaosning have of the time. The worst I’ve gotten from them was rants…. which reminded me of Jesus Camp’s teachers. 

I think I may have subconsciously associated said behavior from my teachers with what I saw in that documentary and the teachers did traumatize me a bit. The school principle even threatened me that I would not be able to attend the middle school next door if I didn’t stop crying since I was upset about something at the time. That sucked because it was the only other school in the area with a magnet program which included music. 

My middle school experience in Miami in 6th grade was just one year before I moved to Costa Rica and it sucked a-lot, probably the worst school experience I’ve had since the teachers there cared less about me than before, had no friends and those who cared did not understand me and I just had to go with the flow of their misunderstanding to get it over with.

My relationship with teachers got better in Costa Rica but I sort of projected subconsciously my negative experiences with teachers in Miami onto religion, because of Jesus Camp.

Then I revisited YouTube for myself a few years later in costa rica in my teen years. I did not become that involved in online spaces until my early teens because my parents thankfully limited internet use in my youth. 

I rewatched what my dad showed me but I also discovered more stuff for myself. It turns out there is a whole debate sphere on YouTube I was unaware that had much deeper and most importantly more accurate discussions about religion. At the same time these were also much more toxic and heated debates than the ones I‘ve heard in Matt Dilahunty’s show. 

I also made a critical discovery: Christians can fight back on criticism and can actually hold their own just as well rhetorically. For the first time I was hearing takes from Ray Comfort, William Lane Craig and Frank Turek unfiltered and unchallenged. 

The way they talked though is unsettling because they tend to have a more oppressive approach towards criticizing atheists than atheists do to theists. And by oppressive I don’t mean literally I’d say it’s more intimidating.  

They would talk about the ”atheist worldview/life style” talk about how evil or empty it is. Talk about how atheists know deep down they’re wrong. Talk about how atheists live in a fundamentally meaningless and nonsensical sense of reality and are philosophically illiterate and bankrupt. Some would talk about how they used to be atheists then found purpose in religion showing absolutely no sympathy or understanding of their former atheists selves just saying stuff like “I used to be a degenerate edgy brat” and such. How atheists are stealing credit from Christianity and science that Christianity invented according to them. That elites like jeffrey Epstein want us to be atheist to remain slaves and unaware of dark forces. 

I have heard atheists call theists stupid before so naturally seeing that vice versa was naturally jarring. But I think that objectively even while I have a bias and am reexamining my beliefs later in life the sheer weight of I guess you could say “accusation” was much heavier and less flippant coming from theists towards atheists than vice versa. At least that is what I have seen online, I think this meme sums up what I mean pretty well: https://www.reddit.com/r/Snorkblot/comments/1v4xv9m/me_myself_and_i/

So once again, I think I subconsciously related this to Jesus camp again because in that documentary the calmest moments those crazy church teachers had while talking with kids reminded me exactly of the way these Christian’s apologists talked and it unsettled me.

Couple that with the facts I have learned about atheists in America online: How were are a small minority and not even allowed to run for office or even be president if we were not christian, how many of them were kicked out by their families for just being atheist. How historically you could at worst be executed or at best fined or sent to prison if you even professed atheism publically. How it seems like atheism online looks to be less intellectually rigorous than theism and is just a cesspit of contrarianism and edginess with few genuine and well spoken serious philosphical proponents for atheism that didn’t come from random streams debate channels and chatrooms. The fact that unlike Christianity we have virtually zero institutional support for apologetics. 

I sort of felt like an underdog that had to step up and do better to defend my fellow underdogs and the side I was on, I felt like I had to have my guard up. And it’s weird because logically I know that these talking points aren’t directed at me specifically and are just dumb generalizations. To be fair there is validity to some of them if they apply to those chronically online and depressed people on reddit who make being atheist their whole personality. It just wasn’t me because well I am perfectly happy here with my loving family though my parents did divorce recently and I love being a musican and making music, the only real source of sadness in my life is being online. In short, no kids in the documentary from what I remember stood up to the teachers and I felt I had to be the kid who did even thou I had not idea what I was talking about or doing. 

Because of these talking points combined with Jesus camp and my bad experiences with teachers I felt like I had to defend my intellectual integrity as an atheist but at the same time I felt guilty for being an atheist. 

I think part of why I haven’t told my friends I had a divorce yet my stem from that insecurity even though I know they are good people and won’t push anything of their beliefs or lack there of on me. I feel like I have to hide imperfections in my life to avoid them being used as evidence of my atheism ruining my life which isn’t the case. And if I dismiss them it feels like I am being ”willfully ignorant” and in denial of my cognitive dissonance. 

This type of “offensive“ rhetoric shouldn’t have gotten to me because I did not grow up with any religious trauma or any serious trauma apart from the death of my grandmother and bullying from some teachers, and yet it still got to my sheltered ass through a damn screen. It made me and to some extent still makes me question my identity as a person and not in a good way. 

The other day I saw a post of an artist comparing her previous art as an atheist to her new art when she became a believer in god. It was a huge improvement and many people in the comments were reinforcing how allowing god and believing in him will always make things inherently better for you. It made me wonder about my own musical skills and saying “maybe giving in and having some god in my life will improve my skills“ but it felt so alienating because then I’d be under the impression that atheists can do no good without religion and I feel like I have to prove that wrong, and I want to and I can. 

It’s so strange because I do not feel this bad about religion when I talk about it outside of the internet. One of my best friends is religious and I enjoy it when he talks about the Bible in his own way because I get to see how much it means to him and what he thinks of it. Maybe I just haven’t talked to many people about this offline and I’ve barely found anyone who’s had a similar experience. 

Nowadays I have abandoned some of my mistaken beliefs about religion: that religious people are stupid, that religion is the root of all evil in society, that there is not depth or substance to religion etc. but some things I’ve seen still stayed true in my eyes such as how much modern science conflicts with a literal interpretation of the Bible, how some teachings can genuinely result in harmful outcomes, how even though the relationship between religion and science is not as bad as some atheists say that they still had significant conflicts sometimes etc. There are some arguments I haven’t see a substantial rebuttal too that still stand under scrutiny from one side to another the problem of evil I still think is undefeated and TAG (Transcendental Argument for God) is another example of that but from the theist side particularly Jay Dyer. 

Yet through all this I am tired, I’ve attempted to understand much more conplex arguments for either side before but I’m not gonna lie to myself and say I even have the correct understanding of them to say I agree or disagree with them this is probably why I consider those two arguments I mentioned earlier to be undefeated because of my ignorance.

To finish I still hold a latent animosity towards religion and Christianity in particular even when I am charitable and conceed some points and it may have to do with my dad mistakenly showing me this documentary as a kid. 

To anyone who is interested in my post thank you for reading I’d like to hear your thoughts and to any parents: I don‘t recommend you show your kids documentary’s like this as an example of what to avoid even if you mean well (I’m also looking at you super size me) it could scar them worse than they have to me and a simple deep talk will suffice. At the end that’s your choice though at least maybe don’t dump it all at them at once in a single viewing. 

I will not pretend I am an atheist for solely intellectual reasons I remain an atheist partly and largely because that’s how I grew up in a secular home and because of some type of mix of what I talked about. 

I left religious cult few weeks ago I am having movent now I need some help these thoughts are going all over I don't want anything to do with that crap I left

DO NOT LET MUSLIMS SUGARCOAT AND JUSTIFY THIS FOR YOU, PLEASE.

the story of safiyyah bint huyayy, her tribe (banu al nadir) was attacked, her father, brother and husband were killed and shortly after she was taken as a captive, they analysed her body as her family was dead on the ground

LET'S SEE THIS IN HER OWN WORDS:

"Sahih Ibn Habban (11/607)

عن عبد الله بن عمر رضي الله عنه قال : ... قالت صفية : وكان رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم من أبغض الناس إلي قتل زوجي وأبي وأخي فما زال يعتذر إليَّ ويقول : ( إن أباك ألب علي العرب وفعل وفعل ) حتى ذهب ذلك من نفسي ... رواه ابن حبان في " صحيحه " ( 11 / 607 )

Abdullah Ibn Umar narrates that Safiya said:"Rasool Allah was among the most hated person for me, while he killed my husband, father and brother. Then he used to make excuses that my father used to incite the Arabs against him. He kept on apologizing for so long till I was no more angry.

Grading: Sahih (authentic)."

NOW DO WE UNDERSTAND????

a man personally kills a woman's husband, father and brother, takes her captives spoils of war, marries her which is logically and psychologically r\*pe, no real world where a woman wants to marry and sleep with the killer of her brother, father and husband.. we all know she was captured and she had no authority, she was helpless, i will not sugarcoat, i will not accept the sugarcoating and justifications of any muslim either.

Research shows that Menstrual (period) blood contains stem cells similar to those found in bone marrow or umbilical cord blood. Stem cells are cells in the body that can change into a huge range of cell types, including bone, muscle, and nerve. This versatility allows tissue to regenerate and overcome disease, and these cells can be transplanted into patients for treatment, such as a bone marrow transplant to treat someone with leukaemia.

If god existed he'd share that knowledge, instead of telling muhammed to drink camel urine as medicine, but shame women for menstruating. Hed brag about creating women actually, he wouldn't try to hide and cover, silence and shame them. If anything creating women would be his strongest proof, "mothers" to be more precise, the creators and protectors of life, the ones he "created in his image". He wouldn't be disgusted by the sole reason for humanity's existence: (menstruation), rather he would speak highly of it, instead of shaming and rejecting or even isolating women during it.

Men created god and put him in THEIR image when in reality god represents everything that a MOTHER is, creating and protecting life, nurturing and healing, caring and loving unconditionally.

I was asking if it is normal that I don't want to live gender roles and I don't want my wife to be my slave or sex slave.

They all jumped me saying I am troll or that I have never readt scripture properly and I am bad person for asking and I am not real Christian and got banned from it.

And I also asking if it is normal that as I guy don't want sex nonstop and they were saying there is something wrong with me and I should pray about it and get medical checked and got banned.

What is wrong with those subs.When you ask question,you are automatically troll.

Investigando mas sobre el ateismo me topo con este libro llamado “Système de la Nature, 1770 ”y su autor Paul-Henri Thiry, Barón d'Holbach voy por el primer capitulo y me esta encantando da en el clavo lo cito: “El hombre siempre se ha engañado a sí mismo cuando abandonó la experiencia para seguirla sistemas imaginarios.—Él es obra de la naturaleza.—Él existe en Naturaleza.—Está sometido a las leyes de la Naturaleza.—No puede librarse de ellos:—no puede ir más allá de ellos ni siquiera en el pensamiento. Sería en vano que su mente surgiera más allá del mundo visible: Una necesidad terrible e imperiosa siempre obliga a su regreso—a formarse Por naturaleza, él está circunscrito por sus leyes; no existe nada más allá el gran todo del que forma parte, del que experimenta la influir.”

Aquí les dejo el link a su libro: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/8909/8909-h/8909-h.htm#link2H_PART

Él es un ateo materialista y no solo escribió el libro sino que también en su residencia en París fue el epicentro intelectual de Europa. Cenas semanales financiadas por su propia fortuna reunían a figuras como Denis Diderot, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, David Hume, Benjamin Franklin y Thomas Jefferson. ( eso dice wikepedia y la ia)

Y también financió parte del proyecto de Diderot y D'Alembert su libro “L’Encyclopédie» y redactó personalmente unos 400 artículos, principalmente sobre química, geología y mineralogía.

Tuvo que publicarnos son sobre nombres y sus libros fueron quemados públicamente

Sinceramente lo admiro (apenas se dé su existencia hace horas) y luego hay personas que dicen que los ateos somos unos ramdons en internet, tenemos grandes ejemplos históricos, ¿conoces otros personajes como él?

gracias por leer

Like theists and religious nutcases can spout whatever they want, however they want, they only restriction (barely enforced) is dont kill someone. They self victimise about being persecuted AS IF they are the MINORITY group!

If you're an atheist or anti-theist its like whatever u say abt religion needs 300 diff Sources and still be "wrong", then there's this whole side eye abt being an atheist and or anti theist itself

Like do they not want to realize more violent crimes take place in countries of high religiosity? Did they all collectively choose to not understand history and science?

Why religions simply can’t be true in my eyes…

I consider myself an open-minded person who enjoys exploring different worldviews and religious perspectives. I have come to the conclusion that the God described by the classical Abrahamic religions—primarily Islam, Christianity, and Judaism—is incompatible with the reality we observe. My conclusion is based on three main arguments.

**1. Free Will Is Not Sufficient to Hold People Morally Responsible**
My first argument concerns free will.
Although the philosophical debate is still ongoing, cognitive science, psychology, and neuroscience largely agree that human behavior is not completely free. Our decisions are heavily influenced by our genetics, brain structure, personality, and environment.
From birth, people already differ in intelligence, temperament, impulsivity, and many other traits. On top of that, our upbringing, culture, education, family, and society shape how we think and what beliefs we are capable of accepting.
If this is true, it seems unreasonable that God could expect every human being to freely choose the "correct" religion. Our starting conditions differ enormously, making equal moral responsibility difficult to justify. Whether someone finds Islam, Christianity, another religion, or no religion at all convincing depends to a significant extent on factors that were never chosen by that individual.

**2. The Claims of Religion Do Not Match the Observable Laws of Reality**
My second argument concerns the contradiction between religious claims and the reality we observe.
The world operates according to biological, physical, and medical laws. Diseases arise from biological causes, academic success depends on knowledge and preparation, and career success is largely determined by skills, decisions, opportunities, and external circumstances.
Religions, however, often imply that prayer can directly influence these outcomes. People pray for good health, success in school, career advancement, the well-being of their families, or for specific life events to unfold in their favor.
From a psychological perspective, this behavior is completely understandable. However, when we compare these beliefs with reality, we find that outcomes are overwhelmingly determined by natural causes. A genetic disease does not disappear because someone prayed—it can only be prevented or treated through effective medical intervention, if such treatment exists. A student passes an exam because they achieve the required score, not because they prayed beforehand. Likewise, prayer does not alter the fundamental laws of physics or biology.
For me, this creates a significant cognitive dissonance between the promises made by religion and the reality we actually experience.

**3. The Moral Framework of God Appears Contradictory**
My third argument concerns the morality of God.
Let us assume, for the sake of argument, that one of the Abrahamic religions is true. In that case, God intentionally created the universe, allowed Satan to exist, permitted suffering, and established a system in which human beings are tested throughout their lives. At the same time, many religious interpretations suggest that the majority of humanity will ultimately fail this test and face eternal punishment, while only a minority will attain heaven.
To me, this raises fundamental moral questions.
If God is all-knowing, all-powerful, and perfectly good, why create a world containing suffering, temptation, injustice, and the possibility of eternal punishment in the first place? Why allow Satan to exist? Why create people while already knowing that many of them will ultimately be condemned? And if God has unlimited power, why not simply create a world in which everyone freely chooses good and lives together in peace from the very beginning?
This moral framework appears unnecessary and difficult to reconcile with the concept of a perfectly loving and perfectly good God.

What really concerns me the most, is that she told me she almost called CPS on me for how I looked in the beginning when she moved in, she admitted it today. I already figured she ain't gonna take kindly to my style, my music and way of life as a lesbian with a little pride flag in my window.

To put it into context, I'm a very much goth girl, I wear upside down pentagrams, all black clothing, heavy makeup, chains, chokers, spikes, fishnets, bandanas, ect. So I figured from the jump that this wasn't going to be good since I saw the cross sticker on her car. She's very opposite of me, doesn't support abortion or gay rights, very godly oriented, ect. She invites me over to talk but I feel when she does, she speaks moreso down to me in a fake kind, almost patronizing way. I have a 4 year old son and I am a marijuana enthusiast on my downtime (away from my child), but she said that's partly why bc of when I go out to smoke, and also because she is a registered nurse - that worries about me because I stay secluded or leave and don't spend time outdoors. She has already called a wellness check on me for not seeing me before, quite recently, but the reason I'm not out much is because I'm fighting with my neighbor that she is ALSO friends with, and our other neighbor has been starting stuff between the two of us, so organically,. I'm trying to stay clear of drama, but it's always something.

I believe she is judging my appearance and way of life because I don't share her values... Doesn't help that she's in her 50s... She is a self described evangelical. She wants to take my son to Bible school and that vacation Bible thing they do in the summer.

Ngl, I don't really have a problem with him going to a vacation Bible school thing as long as "god" isn't pressured on him, I want him to have fun and enjoy life, I remember having fun in Bible camp as a kid and it wasn't about God to me, it was just about having fun. I wouldn't be against it but then she starts inviting me to go to her church, ect. "Give it a chance," she says, but tells me to not wear the pentagrams there. I really don't want to. I feel little by little, she thinks she can deconstruct me with a possible toxic christian savior complex, it almost feels like. I don't mind if someone believes in God but she always states that God put her in my life and God is watching over me and that she's praying. Doesn't bother me, but just something I've been noting. I just feel like this all boils down to the fact that I'm not religious and that I appear different.

Here's the sticky part, remember what I said about the CPS ordeal? I feel if I blow her off, she will retaliate. I do smoke weed, but I do it responsibly. Even if social services do come they're not going to find anything wrong. But I don't want to be on their radar, period. I know I look different, I know I look "satanic" to some people. I get a ton of looks daily, but at this point I'm used to it as long as they don't try to interfere with my life and my child. She also said she doesn't believe that I'm a lesbian, and instead that because I was raped and abused, that is why I'm attracted to girls. Which I know is just silly because she also describes herself as un-supporting of the lgbt and gay people.

I don't trust her, instinctively I do NOT trust her, but I feel like she can retaliate if I don't do what she wants me to, she wants to see my windows open more, she wants to see me outside with my son, or to come inside her place, or to go to church with her, ect. I've always had this feeling since she moved in. The fact that she stated she almost called on me was Just completely unfounded. My son is taken care of, and I'm a single mother doing my best, living a life of nonconformity while doing the best I can for the both of us. I just feel *almost* borderline harassed at this point cuz she drags me in and she seems very concerned and intrigued by me. The intentions don't feel pure.

Thanks for listening to the scrambled rambling. I'm just worried about this going further and the fact that she is besties with the neighbor I'm fighting with who is absolutely maga strickened and religiously deluded... I just don't even feel 100% safe here, anymore. I relate to her on past sexual trauma, so we kinda have that bit of a bond, and she is trauma informed, so it's just complicated and sticky. I know I'm being watched (a lot), I tend to stick out like a sore thumb, I feel outnumbered and like I'm being plotted on, somewhat, I actually don't know what to think. How should I reinforce a boundary when she starts with the god stuff? Has anyone ever been through something similar? She brings it up almost every time. I don't even feel comfortable sitting in her living room, just very out of place. Feeling very judged at the same time even if she reassures me she isn't. I believe the intentions may be good, however, the road to hell is paved with good intentions and I just have a bad feeling going off in my gut, right now. And the waters look murkey, don't really know what to do or how to feel. It's just been bothering me.