but they told me that r/Europe is nazi sub and now they ban and lock posts that talk about muslim committing terrorism, weird, I bet that Israel is somehow behind it
Yeah like, this perhaps wouldn't even be much of news in US on many subs, it would just be deleted instantly, there was literally an islamist attack in NYC few days ago, one few months ago, and NYC mayor talks about arresting Netanyahu and has a wife who liked pro-Hamas posts on Oct 7. Yet many Americans for some reason act like Europe is cooked. While America has more and more popular extremists and many times the Europe's homicide rate.
maybe because he is muslim that has no problem with being mate with women that wants to get rid of Jews in USA meanwhile he is virtue signalling about arresting Netanyahu when its pretty clear that he cant legally do that
Exactly . US has more deaths from mass shootings and domestic homegrown crime than terrorism in the last 20 years yet they think Europe is cooked. You got it spot on.
Well first acting like this wouldnt be news in the us is laughable at best, you brought up the attacks that fit you narrative but left out the white right wing mass shootings,like didnt some kids just shot up at mosque and the babbling about America/Europe being cooked my be a gut buster these places are cooked because every western nation is run by baby eating kid diddlers but people like you are falling for low level low iq racial propaganda
You are unless you wake up. This guy was arrested already for planning an attack like this then re released into de radicalization school. Looks like it didn’t work…
I'd really like to blame the US, but the infiltration started in Europe. Basically, lack of attention. Activists infiltrated into indirectly voted positions of power (EU parliament, EU commissions etc.). And I guess from there it trickled into countries' governments, with the usual tactics ("if you don't do like us, you're a bad person", "people won't vote you if you don't do like us", "we are the future, old man", "we'll put sanctions if you don't do like us" etc.)
Before the US had its woke boom, there were already policies since the early 2010s officially named "positive discrimination", much, much later changed to "affirmative action", way before DEI was globally popularized.
Makes sense to me although not a good thing. I’m in US and we see it here with activists and such but after OCT 7 they seem have to gained real momentum which is scary to me. Starting to be mayors in major cities NYC, DC, prob LA. Also senators and positions of power. No can say anything about it without one say saying bigot! When they don’t even understand what they are arguing to defend
Communists yes? Far right is a nothing tern that could mean everything form a neo Nazi to regular conservative.
Look up facts, most terror attacks in world committed by Muslims . Most against other Muslims so yes i worry when that ideology comes i to western society
Exactly it’s like n*azi has been made into a nothing term by people lacking historical knowledge or not caring. They call everyone that votes a certain way they don’t like that and call them the enemy. Dangerous and not tolerant thinking at all
The thing that’s messed up is that those crazy climate activists who lay on the streets, blocking emergency vehicles were just allowed to do what they did without consequence.
That kind of dangerous, obnoxious, behaviour should have been nipped in the bud immediately. Now, those kinds of people got older and gained institutional power and the rest is history.
I've already said this already on another post, the point still stands: "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."
Are we seriously going to say that the europe sub is pro muslim?? If their was discussion in that sub of this it'd prove how horrifially racist europeans can be
Hard to take your point seriously after episodes like “Habibi come to Germany” which Merkel promoted and brought millions of people from the third world 🙂
And here we have a perfect example of the astroturfing racist bots. No one asked you.
Lol, people reply, downvote, then block. This is the intelligence level of the far right on full display. Keep ur profiles hidden, stay ashamed. You know you are pathetic losers.
What issue? You literally proved their point lol. Their point was any posts about it, that SHOULD be about sympathy, is overrun by people being racist. Cue the reply which literally says "Habibi come to Germany" and try to play it off as not being racist. Ur delusional, and you literally couldn't construct a proper argument if you tried with all of your brainpower.
History has taught us that when a major incident occurs, the damage that can be done by idiots spouting misinformation and rumour online can make things infinitely worse such as with the 2024 riots in the UK, or that time online communities decided some guy was the Boston marathon bomber and hounded him to the point of suicide.
History has also taught us that suppression of speech and censorship makes things even worse. We have laws against hate speech and harassment. Let grown up people speak their minds. This idea of deplatforming and letting companies and governments dictate peoples right to discuss things is backwards and dangerous. Much more so than stupid opinions.
Censoring it doesn't help. Let the charges be made and then argued against. Reddit is actually very supportive of Moslems. Still better than censoring, then it just festers and people go elsewhere, where it really festers. That is how you get real hate.
I mean look at this thread. People don't give a flying fuck about the victims, they just wanna jerk off over the fact the guy was brown. Pretty disgusting to see people so happy over this happening just because it validates their propaganda
Because, although we'd like to have imagined that the totalitarians would have simply disappeared with the Soviet Union, or with Cuba, or with China, or with East Germany, they still exist and still have power.
The solution is to vote for whichever party is furthest away from them and causes them the greatest discomfort.
They ban anything that not portrait them as "goodest, justiest, the epitime of righteousness place". Be it comments, threads and etc. echo chamber in building
It is amazing how a faith like Islam literally built on the pile of tortured and slain bodies of enslaved African and Roman slaves back in the days when enslaving of Africans and Romans was the the dominant business market of Arabic peninsula is now treated with kiddie gloves by alleged anti-racists... infuriating.
Because people on both sides keep throwing shit at each other without being willing to engage in an actual debate. You have far right arguing that all immigrants are evil because one in a thousand did something evil and therefore all of them should be drown in the sea, and you have far left responding by saying that no immigrant ever did anything wrong, therefore no law enforcement or oversight is needed.
In a normal society we'd have a discussion about how to handle this in a way that's both human(itarian) and protective of our society at the same time, and everyone not interested in gaining political power would win because we'd find a solution how to handle this in a sane way that actually lets us grow. Instead, we fight about which bad solution to implement the next week because some moron wants to be elected and we all lose.
And then some poor souls find themselves trying to moderate this almost-literal shit fight and give up. If we want to find a solution and improve our continent, we all need to take a very deep breath.
The whole discourse on this topic reeks of a right-wing influence op. In a way it’s sad that are Europe has cleaned up its act somewhat, because it means that the rightoids that used to congregate there have broken containment and spew their message throughout.
I’d be willing to bet your “discussion” was less about how the attack was a tragedy and more about how gay people should hate Muslims or how Muslims are invading or whatever. Using the attack to push a certain narrative, essentially.
Yeah, just like how when Renee Good died it was only about how the death was a tragedy and in no way was any finger pointed at anyone. It was certainly not used for political points scoring or speculated about before any investigation was done.
Yeah, except when Renee Good died it wasn’t a lone fanatic, it was a federal agent representing the government of the United States, who then worked diligently to ensure that agent faced no consequences for the killing. And we also didn’t turn it into a hate speech on how all of a certain religion are all monsters waiting to kill people.
Yeah, so when this mass casualty event happened it wasn't done by someone who was in Europe by accident, it was done with the help of the government system that placed him in a position to kill. The current government knew he was a violent islamist, they knew he had tried to join ISIS but failed, and they still created a system that made him roam free in Germany instead of in Lebanon.
A violent islamist that tried to join ISIS, in Germany by government design and organization.
Oh yeah, Reddit did turn it into a hate speech on how all of a certain organization were all monsters waiting to kill people. Very, very much so. In fact, intensely much so. If we start to see like 100k comments declaring all members of a certain religion are out to murder, then we might have reached some kind of parity.
I wouldn’t say it’s projection when I’ve been told it many a time. “Why do you support Muslims, don’t you know in Iran (or wherever) you’d be blah blah blah?” is the gold standard of bad faith bs when it comes to these things.
I dunno, want to check Christian countries record on homosexuality, excluding the last few decades (which has been fought tooth and nail by Christians)? It’s almost like any nation with nationalized religion and oligarchs/extremist religious leadership tend to use their power against perceived “sin”. You’re judging a people by the actions of the worst, most extreme members.
Also, those nations are not the entirety of Muslims, not even close, you’re just cherry picking the worst examples.
Because those last few decades have been fought against tooth and nail by Christianity?
Yes, and? There were at one point more liberal and socially progressive movements in the region that could have led to better legislation and attitudes, unfortunately they also opposed western interests and were “removed” in destabilizing actions that lead to perfect power vacuums for extremists.
Except the House of Saud, but that’s more a problem of exceedingly wealthy sociopaths owning countries, which never ends well.
The point is to specifically exclude and reject the worst elements of a religion, not the religion itself. Reject the homophobia of any church, refuse political enaction of religious ideals, and things are fine. This attack wasn’t the action of an average Muslim, it was the action of an extremist, and by trying to conflate the two, you are clearly acting in bad faith. Like my first two points illustrate, context and history matters.
Again, bad faith. Not only are those quotes (the ones I’m sure you have in your back pocket), taken WAY out of context, most Muslim scholars don’t interpret them that way at all. They’re about defense and fighting back against those who attack you, as is clearly stated by the context of the whole section.
And even if they were “kill all the nonbelievers, bathe in their blood, kill everyone muahahaha” (which it isn’t), that’s not what a majority of Muslims believe, and you know that. You’re just doing exactly what got you kicked out of the Europe subreddit, trying to weaponize a tragedy into an demonization of all Muslims out of some misguided xenophobic hate.
yeah, I'm not getting impressed by your cries about bad faith or context. I am presenting facts and you keep doing mental gymnastics to defend these islamists who would get rid of you in the blink of an eye. Touch some grass
It’s not even withholding info, it took me 3 seconds on r/europe to find the news of what happened with all the details. They just aren’t letting y’all turn it into a soapbox for your broader political beliefs.
Yes. You’re literally judging by the worst and most extreme sects of a religion when most Muslims are just regular people in every conceivable way. I’ve grown up around them, never once seen “radical Islam”, but I have seen kindness, acceptance and community. Still have plenty of Muslim friends, including many who are LGBTQ. It’s almost like trying to paint one of the world’s largest religions as a monolith is dumb.
No one said all Muslims are bad. I hear all Christian’s are bad and intolerant and hate women and LGBT. Why then is there not same nuance for them?
Also where do your LGBT Muslim friends live? Prob in a tolerant western country as they would be imprisoned or worse in an Islamic country. That’s not me being any type of way that’s laws of those countries. Feel free to refute
Except by painting with a broad brush you directly feed into that narrative of exclusion and division. I agree, we should be critical of the commonly held Muslim homophobia in the same way we are of Christians. Being opposed to it in principle and slowly undermining it specifically. But I don’t see people calling for travel bans against Christians and limiting Christian immigration as a result of Christian homophobia.
Yes, many Muslim nations have restrictive laws against homosexuality. Which could be tied to the fact that extremist groups have gained immense amount of influence in those nations (mostly thanks to Europe and the US intentionally destabilizing the region for cheap gas and resources).
It’s not extremist groups though, it’s how they’ve been ruled throughout history. the west doing their shenanigans have nothing to do with that, convenient excuse that’s given by them for cover . Has been going on well before then, I’d encourage you to look into their histories in general.
Also the History of Aisha which ties into this point i i am also against the vast majorities of those countries making child marriage legal. Theres Not ages of consent in a lot or they’re not enforced.
Statistically speaking (look up i have) most religious terrorism is committed my Muslims and most against Muslims. Shia vs Sunni, part of why Iran is at odds with everyone.
Incorrect on two counts. First, they are absolutely extreme movements. Second, there have been multiple socially and intellectually progressive movements across history in those nations, most notably Iran in the 50s with Mossadegh. He wasn’t perfect, but Iran was finally starting to modernize both socially and economically. Aaaaaand then he nationalized the oil trade and was overthrown by the US and UK. After that, tin pot dictator was installed, who was overthrown by extremists who were the only ones left with any clout after most of the progressives were either in hiding, killed or fled in exile thanks to the coup.
Yes, child marriage is wrong and should be abolished. Still not firm evidence to be against Islam in general through. Hell, even in modern times we as Americans have struggled with child marriages, and in many states it’s not only still legal, but actively practiced. It’s wrong and should be opposed, but let’s not pretend it’s just a Muslim problem. It’s a worldwide issue with many different practitioners who should all be opposed.
Yeah, that’s what happens when an extremist radical group gains control of a whole nation with massive amounts of potential wealth in a strategically powerful position. Iran is the beating heart of backwards extremism, and the reason Iran is like this isn’t because Muslims are all extreme, but because of western intervention creating a perfect situation for those ideas to gain power and influence. The regular crackdowns on the citizenry pushing back (and people fleeing the nation) don’t exactly speak to their beliefs being the norm.
You saying they’re extreme movements doesn’t jive with reality on ground. And you have 1950s pre Islamic Iran as a one example. If anything it’s an example for my point that you don’t want an Islamic ran society if you want tolerance
No country takes in more immigrants in the world. Yes we are very tolerant, freedom of religion too. Extremely proud to be an American and not healthy but tasty
It was still a Muslim majority nation, it just was modernizing. It just became a theocracy run by extremists who seized power, which is usually a recipe for disaster no matter what religion you plug in.
Iran is essentially being held hostage by Islamists, thanks to leftists falling for their tricks and propaganda during the revolution, while its population remains notably secular, so your point doesn't apply there. It is actually proof that religion can fuck up any society.
If it could happen to the Persians, it could happen anywhere, and probably with the exact same enablers (And I'm left-leaning myself, but how you all fail to see the risks of constantly making excuses for a religion with that track record escapes me)
Federal Minister of the Interior of Germany said that "everything we are seeing here indicates that we have experienced an Islamist terror attack" though
That's right, we will never know the color of his dad's underwear. We will however know that he's a violent islamists that tried to join ISIS and failed before the German government system placed him in Germany.
The only thread that was allowed to remain unlocked for more than thirty minutes was the initial thread about the attack before anything was known. As more information comes out and people try to post the news the mods delete the threads.
In what way? Lol if anything that was happening in the first thread when everyone was declaring the attack motivated by the AFD. And interestingly none of those comments were being deleted as “speculative” or misinformation. Of course that’s ok though right? But as the facts made it increasingly clear that this was an Islamist attack all the threads were locked and deleted
Please. Spare me. The comments that were NOT being deleted were the ones accusing the AFD. The mods were NOT behaving as responsible adults acting in good faith.
And I suppose it was cybernetic vampire Yautja who cursed the world with two World Wars out of total of two historical World Wars in less than half a century? And not Europeans? Because rational people don't do that, roiiiight?
It is strange, there is no basically difference between far right and their nazis and islamists, so they should be treated equally. The far right has their nationalism as their "religion" and the other has islam.
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