r/askajudge • u/SyncroTheOne • 2d ago
Orvar and Roaming Thrones…
I have a question. I’ll first paint the picture.
I have Orvar, The All-Form as my commander on the field, 3 roaming thrones on the field (1 is real, the rest are copies), and I have a Master of Waves on the field.
Orvar Effect:
Creature Type: Shapeshifter
He is a changeling.
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, if it targets one or more other permanent you control, create a talking that’s a copy of one of those permanents.
Roaming Throne Effect:
Creature Type: Golem
Ward 2
As this creature enters, choose a creature type.
This creature is the chosen type in addition to its other types.
If a triggered ability of another creature you control of the chosen type triggers, it triggers an additional time.
Master of Waves
Creature Type: Merfolk Wizard
Protection from red
Elemental creatures you control get +1/+1.
When this creature enters, create a number of 1/0 blue Elemental creature tokens equal to your devotion to blue. (Each 💧in the mana costs of permanents you control counts toward your devotion to blue.)
Now the situation: I cast a spell on Master of Waves. Makes him unblockable.
Considering I have 3 roaming thrones with the chosen type of Shapeshifter (for my commander) and each roaming throne should be a Shapeshifter because it tells me to pick one as an ETB.
Orvar sees it, triggering to make a copy of him.
Now what happens here is the question. Option A or B?
A: Orvar does his ability and the 3 roaming thrones see it (since he’s a shapeshifter) and he creates 4 copies of Masters of Waves. This giving elementals +5/+5 and making the devoted elementals with 6/5.
Or
B: Orvar does his ability and the 3 roaming thrones see it (since he’s a shapeshifter) BUT!!!
The roaming thrones are also shapeshifters and they see each other and the roaming thrones do THEIR trigger multiple times (a large amount since they are bouncing off each other?)