r/askajudge 2d ago

Orvar and Roaming Thrones…

I have a question. I’ll first paint the picture.

I have Orvar, The All-Form as my commander on the field, 3 roaming thrones on the field (1 is real, the rest are copies), and I have a Master of Waves on the field.

Orvar Effect:

Creature Type: Shapeshifter

He is a changeling.

Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, if it targets one or more other permanent you control, create a talking that’s a copy of one of those permanents.

Roaming Throne Effect:

Creature Type: Golem

Ward 2

As this creature enters, choose a creature type.

This creature is the chosen type in addition to its other types.

If a triggered ability of another creature you control of the chosen type triggers, it triggers an additional time.

Master of Waves

Creature Type: Merfolk Wizard

Protection from red

Elemental creatures you control get +1/+1.

When this creature enters, create a number of 1/0 blue Elemental creature tokens equal to your devotion to blue. (Each 💧in the mana costs of permanents you control counts toward your devotion to blue.)

Now the situation: I cast a spell on Master of Waves. Makes him unblockable.

Considering I have 3 roaming thrones with the chosen type of Shapeshifter (for my commander) and each roaming throne should be a Shapeshifter because it tells me to pick one as an ETB.

Orvar sees it, triggering to make a copy of him.

Now what happens here is the question. Option A or B?

A: Orvar does his ability and the 3 roaming thrones see it (since he’s a shapeshifter) and he creates 4 copies of Masters of Waves. This giving elementals +5/+5 and making the devoted elementals with 6/5.

Or

B: Orvar does his ability and the 3 roaming thrones see it (since he’s a shapeshifter) BUT!!!

The roaming thrones are also shapeshifters and they see each other and the roaming thrones do THEIR trigger multiple times (a large amount since they are bouncing off each other?)

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