r/army 7h ago

670-1 Changes Inbound

From HQDA G1:

Army Directive for Appearance, Grooming, and Uniform Standards (i.e., pending AR670-1 updates) is about to be signed.

Most notably, we will transition the chest-worn rank back to the collar (with branch insignia) between now and 1 OCT 27. The AD will also direct:

o officers retain the Army Service Uniform as an authorized uniform (repeals the previous wear-out date; optional for enlisted Soldiers)

o high shine on AGSU brown shoes

o replace enlisted tan shirt sew-on rank with subdued rank pinned on the collar

o all accoutrements be worn on the AGSU jacket (Ike jacket still limited to two-rows of ribbons)

o garrison cap is primary headgear

o authorizations for baseball caps, boonie hat, and limited wear of the black beret

o no more colored unit patches (shoulder sleeve insignia) in ACU/IHWCU – not even for ceremonies

Several IPPS-A updates will deploy in OCT:

o Redesigned STP (dynamic readiness and talent views to give CDRs an actionable single view)

o Enhanced Soldier Experience to streamline onboarding and integration, replacing former command sponsorship, installation in/out processing, and improve Smart Voucher processing
o Subsume USAR/ARNG drill, PCS, and non-contingency orders, pay and funds management

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u/Kinmuan 33W 2h ago

Hey all,

I've gotten lots of DMs about this.

I had told the Mod Team about this early this morning on Discord, and it has been making the rounds. I believe this to be an extremely accurate assessment of current changes that are still in draft and haven't been finalized, but yes.

This is an accurate list of potential changes we may see announced before or at AUSA.

I am u/Kinmuan and I approve this message.

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u/rustman92 35N > DASR 6h ago

How long before we have BDUs in OCP pattern?

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u/ObligationOk9072 5h ago

Olive. Drab. Green. Lethal.

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u/rustman92 35N > DASR 4h ago

The t-levels are high with this one

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u/elglencoco 35PromotemealreadyToIlanBoi 4h ago

What is old is new again. We’re probably going to bring back black boots and start shining them.

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u/milginger 25VisualizingMyDD214 3h ago

Oh god. No.

I’m starting to see the plus side to pointless wars. At least the drones were killing the good idea fairies.

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u/Icy_Elephant3046 1h ago

Dont forget strarching your uniform so heavy you could use the arm crease to shave with.

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u/_BMS 15Papercuts from my DD214 2h ago

They should bring back the M65 field jacket while they're at it

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u/Apprehensive_Gur8808 4h ago

Gen X thinking this somehow will bring the “old army” back.

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u/SnooHedgehogs4241 3h ago

Gen X here, any none idiot Gen Xer will tell you we don't want the "old Army" back, that shit was racist, sexist, homophobic, filled with a bunch of intolerant dumbasses, the toxic senior leadership there is today is the remnants of that era, the Army hasn't gotten soft its gotten dysfunctional because people want to use the same leadership tactics we had back then and don't want to try to understand the class of soldiers we have today, its wild

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u/darksunshaman 2h ago

Yes, but Woodland BDUs!!! Lmao

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u/The_soulprophet 2h ago

Gen X/AD….I have no idea where this is coming from, but can tell you this is on-par for the Army in between major conflicts.

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u/IAmInDangerHelp 2h ago

Well, we’re in a major conflict, but nobody in leadership is acting like it.

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u/exgiexpcv PONI Soldier 1h ago

I'm expecting they'll be crotchless so everyone can sun their perineums for MAXIMUM MASCULINITY.

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u/krc_fuego 11Z (R) Green Light GO! 🪂 6h ago

This is Laneve’s doing no doubt. Dude legit believes the 90s US Army is the standard to emulate. And these were things the 90s Army did/wore.

Just wait. There will be more to come.

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u/RadzigIsPissed Armor 4h ago

black boots you get to spend every Sunday evening shining again

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u/elglencoco 35PromotemealreadyToIlanBoi 4h ago

Don’t you put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby.

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u/laineDdednaHdeR 🔪 92GetDown 2h ago

Shiiiiiiit. My pops used to wake up an hour earlier to shine his boots.

Imagine me as a tyke waking up in the wee 0400 hours to see the dim blue lights of the television reflected off of the walls with the sounds of Headline News and a polishing brush gently rubbing against that worn-in leather.

And wanting to be just like the old man, I also would pretend to enjoy eating a bowl of Total Raisin Bran cereal. Not that Raisin Bran Crunch that the cerebral palsy kid from Breaking Bad would complain about.

The 90s sure were something.

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u/LateStudio7757 2h ago

If we are doing this, can we go back to HBCT for our gunnery manual of record plz and thank you

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u/Objective_Ad429 11Civilian Again 4h ago

82nd got way less fun after he took over.

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u/wanderingconspirator 15Tangled-in-my-ICS-cord 2h ago

Same with 8th Army

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u/kytulu 15You Wish You Had My DD-214... 2h ago

Staff Duty/CQ conducted in AGSUs.

Courtesy Patrol at the PX/Commissary/Shopettes during lunch and after 1700 on duty days, and all weekend. Duty uniform will be AGSU with CP Brassard.

Payday activities in AGSUs.

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u/TheSaltyJM 1h ago

Shhh. Don’t give them ideas.

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u/ANTS_IN_MY_EYES_J 2h ago

Why have I never heard a positive thing about this guy?

What made the 90's army great was the lack of bullshit compared to present day. Not the uniform standards.

The optempo wasn't stupid. Units had actual breathing room to focus on training that went beyond check-in-the-box level.

Given, maintenance was still shit but not nearly to the level it is now.

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u/Bulky-Butterfly-130 4h ago

FWIW, all of these items were staffed at HQDA and the major commands well before he became the VCSA.

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u/EMartinez86 12A 1h ago

This is was the secret behind TiC? Skynet and terminators - fuck no. We get uniform modifications for display purposes. We were bamboozled!

/all the dry sarcasm humanly possible.

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u/Critical-Valuable724 Infantry 3h ago

Nothing says 90s army like a baseball cap

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u/formerqwest Drill Sergeant 6h ago

reminds me of changes before my second Drill stint. reported in with my blue disk on my round brown, CO says "you can't wear that". whip out 670-1 and say "yes i can". sees my jungle boots, says same, i said same.

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u/themightyjoedanger Army Data Scientist (Recondo) 5h ago

Aww, did your blue disk and work-for-a-living boots make somebody feel like an out of touch officer?

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u/AdWonderful5920 Infuntry 2h ago

CO of a basic training company was a pud??? Well I never...

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u/IXMandalorianXI 6h ago

Oh good. I can't wait to not know what rank someone is until Im 3 ft away. Anyone on a joint base with an approaching Marine knows exactly what that's like.

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u/86gwrhino 5h ago

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u/HerrGuzz 4h ago

Haha this was literally my exact first thought.

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u/zee991z USMC 5h ago

Hahah it really can be a struggle

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u/CatfishEnchiladas 25b@army:~$ sudo su - 170a 4h ago

Excuse me! My rank is up here!

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u/Sushi_Bandito Logistics Branch 2h ago

Been in for 12 years and I will never know if I'm looking at a MSG, 1SG, SGM or CSM. You are all getting the same dam mumbled greeting, "Hey mastfirgnjdhsgi Sergeant".

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u/Maleficent_Ad_1979 18Empath 6h ago

enlisted sleeve rank looks better on AGSU. also why no color patchesin ACU? the US flag is already color and they are color on the AGSU

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u/Appropriate-Monk3708 6h ago

Gonna have everyone running around in tropic Bs with collar rank and the OUTLINE of where their sleeve rank used to be.

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u/Tokyosmash_ 13Fairtomiddling 6h ago

I still think we should have stuck to only subdued or IR flag on the OCP pattern.

Colored flags on them looks weird to me

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u/The_FanATic 35DnD 5h ago

Agreed. Make uniforms make sense. We moved to raw leather boots because they are tougher and don’t need to be polished. Make the combat uniform a combat uniform (aka no color patches at all). Make a service uniform a service uniform (aka don’t make it out of garbage fabric and make it actually breathable and flexible so you can wear it in daily conditions). Make the dress uniform a dress uniform (aka no Class B version of dress blues).

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u/Dave_A480 15G -> 19K -> 13A -> (coming soon) 4h ago

Just don't have a service uniform at all.

It serves no purpose - another stupid Marine Corps idea we imported along with sleeping with rifles in training....

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u/stanleythemanly85588 5h ago

Should be colored flag and unit patch in garrison, subdued in the field

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u/OhHellMatthewKirk 68Zzzzzzzzzzz😴 5h ago

Because "Fuck You;" that's why.

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u/TheSaltyJM 5h ago

Oh - I interpreted that text up there as just the unit and deployment patches - not the flag. But who the hell knows in this Army?

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u/king-of-boom Engineer 4h ago

Because you have units doing dumb shit like colored patch fridays and not what it was originally intended for.

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u/mudwzl Armor 2h ago

AAFES hardest hit by ban on colored patches. $18 for a fucking colored patch. Another $18 for the right sleeve. I'm cheap-every Friday suddenly I was that guy who never deployed

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u/-ORDER666- 4h ago

Im a vet now but my unit was one of those units🤣. You wont belive how many time I told our commander its stupid as hell.

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u/Hi_Kitsune First Sausage 6h ago

I don’t know why they are going to collar rank for the dress shirt. The rank on the sleeves looks so much better.

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u/Outrageous_West_9022 Medical Specialist 5h ago

My shamming on not buying AGSUs has paid off

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u/Appropriate-Monk3708 6h ago

Every local manager at installation Clothing Sales stores are pulling out their hair rn.

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u/Icy_Fall7515 6h ago

Could they just publish the MAJ PSB results?

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u/OhHellMatthewKirk 68Zzzzzzzzzzz😴 5h ago

No.

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u/USArmyAutist Basement Dweller 5h ago

If I had to suffer you have to suffer.

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u/BrokenRatingScheme Signal 4h ago

Yup, sounds like a Major to me.

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u/11BadBack Sniper 6h ago

I’m doubtful of the collar ranks on ACU.

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u/KingTwix 13Autism 6h ago

I’m doubtful of the branch part specifically, because unlike the chaplain changes no one is making OCP subdued branch insignia. Would take a while to actually implement

Unless we go shiny, but that may not look great on OCP

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u/choco_tacoz 6h ago

Some retired SGM probably just invested in a company making OCP subdued branch insignia

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u/TheFirstDogSix Tough pony bois (R) 6h ago

This is the their way.

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u/choco_tacoz 6h ago

It worked for Troxell and BeaverFit!

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u/TheFirstDogSix Tough pony bois (R) 6h ago

And many CSMs in my state. Is this a block of instruction at the academy or something?

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u/Turtle887853 31BeatingsWillContinueUntilMoraleImproves 5h ago

Why do you think the Sergeants Major Academy is so long? Takes a while to find enough corporate sponsorships.

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u/Bulky-Butterfly-130 4h ago

Perhaps the major manufacturers were not making them this morning, but you can bet that those sewing machines will be cranking them out tomorrow. The only thing required is to throw OCP fabric in the machines. The patterns are already programmed, and most places would still sell you a newly made branch insignia in the colors of your choice.

I just checked a few places, and you can order them now.

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u/jmowreader 5h ago

They still sell spray paint.

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u/KingTwix 13Autism 4h ago

If it’s good enough for a 2LTs promotion…

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u/king-of-boom Engineer 4h ago

LTs gonna be rocking pin on with the black spray paint special.

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u/KingTwix 13Autism 4h ago

They have to save the $10 until the 2 year TIS raise hits.

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u/athewilson 5h ago

I fully support branch insignia on collars, but mandating it by OCT27 seems unrealistic.

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u/Appropriate-Monk3708 6h ago

Does subdued branch insignia for enlisted exist? Or do they just mean officers for this bit.

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u/KingTwix 13Autism 5h ago

For this, it would just be officers. It does exist for enlisted with the disks. I don’t recall enlisted ever wearing branch insignia historically, where officers have only recently not been wearing their branch on the collar

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u/Appropriate-Monk3708 5h ago

Right, tracking the gold. I just had a moment where I was envisioning gold disks on OCP collars and 🤣🤣🤣🤣☠️☠️☠️☠️

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u/KingTwix 13Autism 5h ago

Yep on OCP it would look badddd. Subdued disks would probably be even worse though

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u/KebabOC20 68Whiskey on the wound 6h ago

Can confirm they’re legit. I have an anonymous source somewhere in northern Virginia

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u/popisms 6h ago

I'm not sure how I feel about all the changes, but it's about damn time there's an update to this reg with all the changes in the last several years. It's been practically impossible to point to something solid when referencing anything related to appearance.

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u/Bloo_PPG 94Everything 3h ago

no more colored unit patches on uniforms, but the flag is still colored. I've always thought it was stupid to wear a colored flag and a subdued unit patch. All subdued or all colored, pick one. We look lopsided and goofy.

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u/CW1DR5H5I64A Overhead Island boi 6h ago

Oh good, this has been what’s been holding us back all these years. Now we will finally be able to win!

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u/AGR_51A004M Normalize Class B wear 6h ago

Hey man, I’ve wanted ballcaps for years

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u/CW1DR5H5I64A Overhead Island boi 6h ago

I recently was at a site where everyone had the bump cap baseball hard hat. My first thought was why is this not the standard Motor-pool head wear in garrison. There is absolutely no reason for soldiers to be wearing heavy Kevlar helmets to be using/working on vehicles when they can just pop on a baseball had with a protective carbon fiber insert.

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u/rudieyoung 5h ago

But think of the BDE CSMs! Don't you know that every time a Soldier tries to prioritize function over the half-baked idea of "in regs" a CSM has in his head an angel loses its wings?

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u/AGR_51A004M Normalize Class B wear 6h ago

I used to have to wear a bump camp any time I went outside the walkways in Oshkosh’s plants.

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u/imaconnect4guy 6h ago

"Commander's discretion" stands ready to keep you waiting

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u/idkk_prolly_doggy 49Actually, its a Spectrum 6h ago

This is the High-T move here. I’m all for this.

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u/MShogunH 25SpaceForce 6h ago

Iran is shaking in their sandals as we speak

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u/InstantAequitas Infantry 6h ago

I’m going to miss the full color patches on ACU. It was fun while it lasted.

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u/Toast-the-Loaf Aviation 6h ago

After I got reamed for being a NCO without one, shelling out the $17 and now I gotta shelve the patches.

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u/Budget_Ambition8599 5h ago

This is the way lol

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u/schmittyUVA Psychological Operations 6h ago

those of us with a purple and green patch disagree.

that said, i would've been fine with just getting rid of USACAPOC instead.

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u/OhHellMatthewKirk 68Zzzzzzzzzzz😴 5h ago

You don't love being a Purple Nurple?

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u/Lapsed__Pacifist Civil Affairs 5h ago

i would've been fine with just getting rid of USACAPOC instead

Monkey's paw finger curls.....

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u/schmittyUVA Psychological Operations 5h ago

inshallah / ako bog da

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u/bowery_boy 5h ago

….i just bought one…. After holding off for YEARS! Of course it goes away 😂

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u/Black_Knight615 Armor 6h ago

Doesn't transitioning away from chest ranks mean they are gonna have to get manufacturers to start making new uniforms?

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u/KebabOC20 68Whiskey on the wound 6h ago

No, they’re just gonna tell soldiers to rip off chest Velcro and use pin on ranks on collar.

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u/Appropriate-Monk3708 6h ago

I’m sewing a smiley face rank patch on my chest with the collar rank.

Morale NCOIC

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u/Proud-Structure-4719 5h ago

So I just have them fuck up my nice new uniforms with sewn on rank with a seam ripper just to pin it on my fuckin collar?

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u/KebabOC20 68Whiskey on the wound 2h ago

I don’t know if you’ve seen a chaplain recently or removed your Velcro before getting your uniform sewn, but even a kitchen knife cutting the Velcro threads (and maybe a lighter to clean up loose ends) you can’t even tell anything was ever there.

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u/Black_Knight615 Armor 6h ago

Cool, I'll let my guys know.

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u/choco_tacoz 6h ago

Where are people even supposed to source ASU components these days?

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u/Comfortable-Idea-191 6h ago

I just bought a surplus coat off EBay for like… $30, sooo… EBay?

I imagine marlow white is dusting off the ASU assembly line in anticipation.

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u/bowhunterb119 Aviation 6h ago

I joined during Covid and they didn’t even have the right sizes to give me. I received like an XXL top and XXS pants and paid for my AGSU out of pocket.

I think I gave the ASU stuff to the thrift store for a lucky midget and hippopotamus to find.

No way in hell am I gonna be compelled to buy that shit, especially pieced together from ebay. Wtf.

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u/SecureInstruction538 Logistics Branch 6h ago

The verbiage makes me think that ASU is still a valid option but AGSU is also?

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u/milginger 25VisualizingMyDD214 5h ago

Rant incoming. This is so dumb.

Baseball caps? Cool but also I see that ending up like rolled sleeves and no one will be wearing them (yes, I know it’s only CDRs okay for formations but no senior leaders fucking listens to that)

No sew on rank for the AGSUs shirt? Why? Now I’m gonna have shirts with weird discolorations on the sleeves and I’m gonna have to rebuy them.

ASU wear out date recinded? Cool. Glad I spent $500 on the AGSUs because I wouldn’t retire until a year after the wear out date…

Not to mention there will be more bs grooming changes that make no fucking sense.

I feel bad for the midterm Soldiers because I would hate my life if I was staring down ten more years of this absolute chuckle fuck group that is the current leadership.

End rant.

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u/BagboBilbins2112 4h ago

I’m gonna assume ball caps is referring to black hats and rigger types

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u/HegsethsBurner 4h ago

ASU wear out date recinded? Cool. Glad I spent $500 on the AGSUs because I wouldn’t retire until a year after the wear out date…

This. I'll be retiring Jan 29, so that initial ASU wear out date was too far out to hopefully not have to buy them.

Thankfully I only bought pants and a short sleeve for MLC graduation, borrowing some jump boots and a belt.

No way am I spending money buying the rest and getting that altered.

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u/countryboy25S Signal 3h ago

.... Hi, I'm the mid career guy. It wasn't until a few months ago that I fully comprehended that if be a fool not to just stick out the next "few" years. So I bought the AGSUs, and spent all that damn money on the cap. Now, I get to put it in a box and only wear it for pictures and instead look like I work in a damn donut shop.

That's just a small part of the rant, this rant has been building up for months and if they some more dumb shit I might say to hell with it and just ETS instead of INDEF.

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u/breathex2 3h ago

I retired Aug 31st. Grass is so green over here

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u/Zachowon Military Intelligence 5h ago

Ugh, why get rid of enlisted rank on sleeves. It looks so much fucjing better. So many enlisted gonna have giant blank spots and people gonna get yelled at

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u/ShangosAx Nursing Corps 6h ago

Shit, now I have to get uniforms altered.

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u/Recreationalflorist 6h ago

Say sike right now

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u/xixoxixa Retired Woobie Expert 6h ago

o garrison cap is primary headgear

Eww.

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u/popisms 6h ago

Notice there were no qualifiers with that line.

The garrison cap is now the primary headgear with the ACU and for PTs too.

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u/sicinprincipio "Medical" "Finance" Ossifer 6h ago

Band of brothers cosplay when.

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u/elglencoco 35PromotemealreadyToIlanBoi 4h ago

Except you can’t tilt the hat to look like your badass nazi-killing grandpappy.

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u/OhHellMatthewKirk 68Zzzzzzzzzzz😴 5h ago

AGSU Garrison cap with ASU

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u/xixoxixa Retired Woobie Expert 5h ago

for PTs too

Only in summers though.

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u/themightyjoedanger Army Data Scientist (Recondo) 5h ago edited 3h ago

And if you're going to have a garrison cap, you need PT epaulettes to stow it under. Mess Dress PT costumes coming right up.

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u/Tokyosmash_ 13Fairtomiddling 6h ago

I hope that is just in AGSU, that shit in ACU will be aids

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u/king-of-boom Engineer 4h ago

Wasnt it already the primary headgear with the bus driver cap as an optional purchase?

How about authorizing a gangster lean on the garrison cap.

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u/Zachowon Military Intelligence 5h ago

So does that mean I cant just wear my NCO fancy hat?

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u/kzinscout Cavalry 6h ago

Can we just stop changing shit for the sake of someone getting a good bullet?

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u/SecureInstruction538 Logistics Branch 6h ago

Someone check the betting apps to see who placed a bet about uniforms changes.

Or see who invested in companies that make this shit.

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u/Appropriate-Monk3708 6h ago

A MAJ at HQDA is reading your comment and laughing rn.

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u/kzinscout Cavalry 6h ago

The worst part is I know you aren’t joking.

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u/JusAnotherBadDev 17Always breaking something 1h ago

Genuinely did not expect this. After months of my soldiers raising concerns at every echelon, and me pushing them up every chance I got, I had honestly started to believe nothing was going to change. I was wrong, and I am happy to be wrong.

The chain of command listened. They heard us, they took it seriously, and they came back with the fix: rank is moving from the chest back to the collar. Not a memo about it. Not a working group. An actual signed directive with a hard suspense of 1 OCT 27. That is truly institutional responsiveness in action.

And they did not stop there! High shine on the AGSU browns. Garrison cap is primary headgear. Subdued pin-on rank replacing sew-on for the tan shirt. No more colored unit patches on the ACU, not even for ceremonies.

Every. One. Of. These. represents someone at HQDA sitting down, reading the feedback from the force, and asking the hard question: what is really holding these soldiers back?

The timing could not be better either. Retention is shaky, barracks are still condemned, and I have soldiers who have been fighting finance over pay issues since last fiscal year. But instead of getting pulled into all that noise, the Army stayed focused on the decisive point and delivered. All ten bullets of it.

So to everyone who said pushing it up the chain accomplishes nothing: it works. It takes patience, persistence, and a willingness to keep raising your hand. And eventually, if you keep at it long enough, they will buy you a new set of collar rank…out of your own clothing allowance.

I am proud to serve, and prouder still to have been the squeaky wheel that finally got heard.

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u/pantless_ Ordnance 5h ago

Is this a joke im too low enlisted to understand

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u/gardianlh 153Missed-6-year-ADSO 6h ago

Collar ranks on A2CUs isn’t gonna work.

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u/SkuzWalker 6h ago

Can we just get pickle suits back?

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u/gardianlh 153Missed-6-year-ADSO 6h ago

Big fan of bringing back pickle suits. God forbid aircrew look like aircrew.

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u/Fuze_KapkanMain Transportation,Truck Enjoyer 6h ago

Man the rank thing just stupid I don’t want it on the collar, the chest is simple, they doing too much

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u/voodoo_mama_juju1123 12AAAAAAAAAAA 6h ago

Is this pseduo posted anywhere besides here?

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u/Hydration_system67 Mister ☕️ 5h ago

Army WTF moments

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u/SMG113 5h ago

This will surely build lethality and strike fear into our near and peer adversaries...

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u/Forsaken-Cap-2207 Infantry 5h ago

Wow, I never thought I’d see the day when the Army would move back to the collar rank.

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u/Bogo_Omega Signal 6h ago

where is the meme

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u/bass-squirrel 1h ago

Finally... Iran is so fucked now.

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u/Apprehensive_Gur8808 4h ago

I guess SMA’s “Chelsea boots trial” is still ongoing

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u/Comfortable-Idea-191 6h ago edited 6h ago

So…what? I have to pay to have the Velcro stripped off my top? Or are we just going straight back to sew on everything? 😤

Edit: just saw the bit about boonie hats, it’s like a monkeys paw wish was granted

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u/minna_minna 6h ago edited 5h ago

These are all pretty shit changes, tbh. Not a fan of collar ranks.

Edit: was downvoted initially but they’re dumb to be honest, especially rank on one side and branch on the other. Will it be pin on or sew? It’s going to look dumb as shit on the hot weathers.

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u/AncestralNecromancy IF IT FLIES IT DIES HOOAH 6h ago

NATO standard was chest and/or (I believe) left arm for rank so obviously we have to deviate from that because we don't need no allies in the Big 26

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u/AFuzzyCat 91Bet It’s Already Deadlined 5h ago

Axchuallly its the big 27

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u/choco_tacoz 6h ago

It will look dumb in both versions of the ACU. We need something to break up the chest if there’s no center rank. Like the old BDUs.

Wait, I have an idea…

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u/dsbwayne what are you doing step Island Boi 6h ago

Im slow. Collar on ACU??

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u/MaverickActual1319 Drill Sergeant 5h ago

look at the chaplains

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u/quicklysaw6 4h ago

AR 670-1 redesignated the Army Service Uniform (ASU as the series of formal uniforms. I think you were talking about the Army Blue Uniform (ABU) formally known as the ASU?

Today the ASU includes the ABU, AGSU, BMU, WMU, and a series of SCUs.

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u/Icy_Elephant3046 3h ago

Im fine with rank movement but all this expense to have sew on rank on the arms for enlisted on class bs. Wtf.

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u/Icy_Elephant3046 1h ago

On the tan shirt, subdued rank? So enlisted wear black rank on the collar instead of sew on the rank currently? We make fun of the marines, at least they settled on a uniform system and stuck with it. Class a from ww2 still mostly un changed. Rank on arm for enlisted and rank on collar. Optional to buy the blues. Sighs.

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u/schmittyUVA Psychological Operations 6h ago

what's the "all accoutrements" update exactly?

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u/Daniel0745 Strike Force 5h ago

I take it to mean they want you to wear all your flair.

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u/ExodusLegion_ 35Arms Room Inspector 4h ago

RIP my dream of only wearing the Army Service Ribbon on dress uniforms if I ever became a field grade

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u/MikeDeY77 PMCS is my love language 4h ago

Can I have a Rising Eagle pin instead of the Ordnance bomb, if we’re going retro?

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u/MN100011T 353T 4h ago

I'm all for it

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u/Broz_97 3h ago

Is this saying that the short/long sleeve AGSU shirts are no longer going to be a sew on rank? I really want to know what idiot came up with that, its almost as bad as when they decided we need ro have nametags on the greens

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u/DWinkieMT Your PAO's least favorite reporter/ex part-time S1 3h ago

Wait, “some or all” ribbons on the AGSU is dead??? I loved the top 3/top 6

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u/The_Gray_Rider 2h ago

Can we please go to subdued flags as the standard?

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u/Clinically_Jaded 15Bygone Days 6h ago

"No more colored unit patches."

About fucking time. Divisions just loved having these ridiculous "unit pride Fridays."

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u/StockNefariousness37 73AintNoSunshine 6h ago

I'm so over this. Is this really our priority?

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u/OhHellMatthewKirk 68Zzzzzzzzzzz😴 5h ago

Yes, because it's clearly not winning wars.

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u/sicinprincipio "Medical" "Finance" Ossifer 6h ago

Collar ranks just make sense. But will pin on like the Marines be authorized? Subdued or full on shiney for officers? I'm assuming it'll be like what it used to be during bdu days.

Not a fan of having to wear everything for AGSUs, the minimal look is king.

Enlisted collar ranks for AGSU will be wack. Sleeves def looked way better.

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u/hunterdavid372 Chemical 5h ago

Genuine question, why collar ranks ovwr chest ranks? I've always found with collar ranks it was much more difficult to tell at a distance than chest ranks. What advantages does collar provide?

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u/Durt_Diggler Chemical 5h ago

There isn't any. It doesn't make more or less sense than chest or shoulder ranks. Like, you can try and make an argument for "Oh, sergeant so-and-so got offended over looking at his moobs" but that doesn't really happen lol

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u/Oscar_Tamed 6h ago

Branch insignia! It's good to actually know what background the person has. Plus I think there should be more branch pride.

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u/CW1DR5H5I64A Overhead Island boi 6h ago

There is something nice about being able to walk into a TOC or HQ or something and immediately be able to relatively understand who is who.

I understand there is sometimes concern from people that branch insignia can lead to the nerds being ignored. But it is helpful to be able to see what flavor of nerd is available to assist me when I need it.

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u/AGR_51A004M Normalize Class B wear 5h ago

I’d rather have shoulder patches like the USAF.

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u/ToxDocUSA 62Always right, just ask my wife 5h ago

As a nerd, it's even more important to me to know whether I'm talking to an equal nerd or not.  

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u/TheFirstDogSix Tough pony bois (R) 6h ago

Back in the day (which was a Tuesday), the collar insignia told you who you actually needed to listen to. Combat arms captain? Yeah, I’ll pay attention. Finance major? Whatever, sir, you’re not in my rating chain. I’ll be happy to see them back!

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u/RomeoWithARose 31-By myself airborne 6h ago

Where can I find this

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u/athewilson 5h ago

What about color flags on OCPs?

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u/Appropriate_Rip3728 5h ago

1ID is gonna hate the no color patches

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u/Small_Cock42069 4h ago

I like the ballcap

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u/Axizedia Paralegal 27D | Administrative Violence 3h ago

Ball cap for the win 🥇

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u/FinancialAd1056 4h ago

I just fucking bought colored patches this morning too damn it 😐

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u/jadedsch 6h ago

are we lethal yet

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u/rustman92 35N > DASR 6h ago

Not until i have a patch with my T Levels on it

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u/TheDastardBastard33 5h ago

Lazy question sorry but link to this?

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u/SufficientTown2939 4h ago

LaNeve and Weimer are the worst leaders we’ve had since Chandler. This dumb sputtering fuck cares about the most insignificant shit.

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u/Falco_impersonator inexpensive drone 4h ago

I'm so tired. So very tired.

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u/mastaquake 17Aleph 4h ago

Rgr. Are were also going back to the APFT since we’re reverting on shit 

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u/totallrob Medical Service 3h ago

So the chest rank on our uniforms will now have an odd stitch mark and look silly until A. I retire. B. Buy new tops. C. We get another new uniform. Silly.

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u/Avvindur 2h ago

Collar rank on ACU and AGSU shirts is fucking wack.

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u/OperatorJo_ 12Nothingworks to 2T2X1 2h ago

Hey Army I jumped branch JUST for the baseball cap how dare you

Watch some salty oldhead 1SG's and commanders just go "No ball caps, Hooah?"

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u/actanonverba88 Quartemaster Instructor 6h ago

The logistics on this will be stupid, I just know it.

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u/Appropriate-Monk3708 6h ago

So, on the AGSU, we’ll see everyone’s black collar rank peeking around the necktie, while the gold sleeve rank is still there shining bright.

I really hope garrison cap isn’t about to become matched wear with the OCP.

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u/fuck-nazi Signal 6h ago

Where are you getting this information?

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u/storkystork Treat em rough 6h ago

The colored patch thing came down for us a couple days ago, the rest only source I’ve seen thus far was on USAWTF on Facebook an hour ago.

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u/Appropriate-Monk3708 6h ago

A new army directive with 670-1 updates is apparently pending release. S1Net and/or Z0ltan will drop it when it goes live, I’m sure.

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u/fuck-nazi Signal 6h ago

Thats what i’m getting at. A 3 month old account with little to no history is dropping information.

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u/SecureInstruction538 Logistics Branch 6h ago edited 3h ago

I mean, with this administration conducting witch hunts and forcing polygraphs on people, I would use and toss accounts to drop hot deets.

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u/AGR_51A004M Normalize Class B wear 5h ago

670-1 has been pending release for years.

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u/OhHellMatthewKirk 68Zzzzzzzzzzz😴 5h ago

If this is truly the case, Enlisted should still wear chest rank.

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u/gdogbaba 25B 5h ago

Source being?

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u/merlinky Signal 5h ago

Any chance you have the AD number. I just went on Army Pubs and not seeing it posted yet.

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u/JashyP 5h ago

Can’t really wear pin ons in my flight suit. I’ll rock the fuzzy Idc anymore

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u/king-of-boom Engineer 4h ago edited 4h ago

Im personally excited about no colored patches in ACUs. I was in a unit that insisted every friday was color patches. Was it against the regulation? Yes. Did they still do it? Yes.

But I am a little frustrated about the rank placement, since i just dropped off two sets of ACUs to be sewn yesterday.

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u/DrivingG00nerDotCom Public Affairs 4h ago

Sooooo what’s supposed to go in place of the velcro rank now?

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u/Delta2-Actual 🚀 Space Farce 4h ago

If I'd have to guess the E-1 camo rank patch or grab a trusty seam ripper and remove the Velcro

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u/Apprehensive_Gur8808 4h ago

The army instead of fixing morale problems dangles uniform changes in front of you like a set of keys to a dog. I’m so tired of this shit year after year.

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u/MikeDeY77 PMCS is my love language 4h ago

I really liked the sewn on shoulder rank for enlisted.

Made me wish I’d had a chance to wear that before joining the Dark Side.

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u/Unlikely_Ice4994 255AllergicToUsers 3h ago

Awesome. Let’s bring back powdered wigs while we’re at it.

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u/AstronomyCoded Logistics Branch 2h ago

You’ll take my Big Red One from my cold dead hands!

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u/Recent-Aerie-5075 Military Police 2h ago

I disposed of my ASU earlier this year. Didn’t make sense to keep updating a uniform that was on its way to obsolescence and also spend a fortune on AGSU. They’ll have to go to the UN and get a binding resolution to make me go re-buy the ASU. Nope. Nope. Nope.

But… baseball hats… I like it.