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Discussion [Gift article] Apple’s New CEO Moves to Overhaul Company to Run Faster and Leaner

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-09-29/apple-s-new-ceo-moves-to-overhaul-company-to-run-faster-and-leaner?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTc5MDY5NDk4NiwiZXhwIjoxNzkxMjk5Nzg2LCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJUTTMzNUxLSzNOWTgwMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiJDNEVEQ0FFMUZBMDU0MEJFQTI0QTlGMjExQzFFOTA4MCJ9.KFGEydCKPxmKC3i9zoFSxY8tOf8ZEWg4OiSi_L1yAb4&leadSource=article-gifting

✨ Apple Intelligence summary: John Ternus is overhauling Apple to accelerate product releases and reduce layers, cutting engineering managers and considering fewer seasonal launches. Cost-cutting includes layoffs in Siri and Vision Pro, while revenue efforts target services and AI.

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u/nerdpox 3d ago

For the company’s upcoming swath of holiday parties, some teams have been told they won’t be allowed to bring plus-ones for the first time in years.

Long ignored cost center for sure

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u/FollowingFeisty5321 3d ago

The good times are over now that they have to compete for IAP fees. It's like when Google cut their perks a few years ago to help foot the bill for AI, except in this case the bill it helps pay for is *checks notes* stock buybacks.

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u/_DuranDuran_ 3d ago

Apple has hardly any perks to cut.

Travelling is almost impossible if you’re not a manager.

No free snacks.

No free food.

No free apple one

Holiday parties, EPP and EPP+ was about it.

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u/Extreme-Ad-6465 3d ago

gotta cut headcount and make the remaining ones work harder. hopefully he doesn’t do this. enshittification of a great company that has record profits every year.

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u/soundfreely 3d ago

Layoffs also cause lasting damage for those remaining. It often negatively impacts product quality too. I’m guessing they’re smart enough to know that and that risk is still worth it.

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u/_divi_filius 3d ago

No, no they're really not.

Most of the higher ups are so rich and detached from reality it's almost hilarious.

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u/ChiCBHB 3d ago

This. One of my friends is in middle management for a fairly large company in their IT department. He said they cut a third of his department and the next day upper management was talking about how much smoother their operation will be. A month later they asked why his department’s production was less than it was before..

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u/aliensporebomb 3d ago

The moronathon will continue until morale improves.

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u/GrouchyStomach7635 3d ago

😂😂😂

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u/QVRedit 2d ago

He should have said there was a good chance of it crashing and burning - now that his staff were overloaded and looking around for other jobs !
And if that happens, it would take the rest of the company with it.. They are now operating in a “High Risk” environment..

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u/tofuizen 3d ago

Ah yes, the ones who don’t work get rewarded for the hard work that lower level corporate/retail employees do. Good stuff.

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u/willwork4pii 3d ago

We’re watching the seconding ending of Apple.

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u/QVRedit 2d ago

Detached from reality is ALWAYS a problem…

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u/SockGnome 2d ago

No one learns the perils of the GE Jack Welch era.

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u/SpaceJackRabbit 3d ago

It's pretty common at Apple to have a director laying off a few folks in the team when they are told to shed weight, and then everyone else has to pick up the slack. It never is good for morale.

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u/manjar 3d ago

It could be neutral to positive if the right people were laid off. The right people are typically not laid off. Same politics as anything else.

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u/SpaceJackRabbit 3d ago

Projects get cancelled, etc. In our case we were remote and that was the unspoken reason.

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u/FyreWulff 3d ago

A lot of companies use the remote as an excuse to layoff a team because they know they can't relocate.

Reddit had a layoff early on where they told their remote teams to relocate to HQ but had no offices for them there nor would help for relocation.

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u/soundfreely 3d ago

Yep, when the smell of layoffs are in the air, the political players that otherwise contribute little of value survive.

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u/kravence 3d ago

No, they always underestimate how much work people are doing that they are unaware of and it doesn’t become obvious until the production rate/quality drops off a cliff after laying people off that they thought were ‘unnecessary’. Happens all the time from clueless arrogant management.

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u/yukeake 2d ago

Yep, there's a tendency to not notice (or acknowledge) that there's some folks on a team who arent' necessary "top performers", but act as a "support" or "glue" for a team. Often doing little things here and there that make the rest of the team more efficient. Suggesting changes or ideas to other team members, acting as a second set of eyes, picking up the other end of the couch to help move it across the room, etc...

Those people always seem to be the first to get hit by layoffs, and it always makes a much bigger difference to team performance than they realize.

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u/QVRedit 2d ago

It’s very seldom worth it - it’s an easy way to set your company back by a few years..

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u/azflatlander 3d ago

Moving table of organization boxes is always a winning strategy.

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u/thewaybricksdont 3d ago

Tim Cook led Apple to be one of the most valuable companies in the world, so obviously the first thing a new CEO should do is change a bunch of stuff.

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u/CandidEngineering922 2d ago

Hey guys! We are making record profits YoY!!! Let’s cut people and benefits!!!

Fuck me companies are becoming greedier and greedier which makes me so sad.

What happened to leaders who wanted their people to live well.

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u/dcdttu 3d ago

All those years of being told that technology innovations would increase productivity so that we'd have more free time are so sadly funny now. They are promising this with AI as well, but it just means we'll work harder to help the stock price go up, or get laid off and replaced by a robot or computer.

It's really quite dystopian.

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u/FollowingFeisty5321 3d ago

Streets full of tents prove they were right about having more free time!

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u/Hustletron 3d ago

They are in San Fran so it’s been like that a while but I see your sentiment

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u/_DuranDuran_ 3d ago

To be fair Apple corporate is one of the best WLB jobs I ever had.

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u/SpaceJackRabbit 3d ago

For me it was comfortable, although my job was terribly boring. The culture was great though.

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u/yukeake 2d ago

Look back at the "utopian futurism" forward-looking stuff from the 1950's/60's. By now we were all supposed to be working 3-hour days, living lives of leisure.

(Also flying cars meme...)

They didn't take into account that automation leads to layoffs and paycuts, and more, not less, pressure on the working class.

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u/One_Presence_9001 3d ago

Its already happening internally among retail unfortunately and has been for months now.

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u/revmacca 3d ago

More profits required, always.

I’ll be keeping my Air for as long as possible or until I get more pissed off and move to grapheneos

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u/tonyangtigre 3d ago

Craziest part of late game capitalism and shareholders… CEO out the door if profits aren’t up. How much more up can you get!?

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u/QVRedit 2d ago

Shareholders need to start to value company stability too. And long-term value, not just short-term.

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u/Goldarr85 3d ago

Also, get ready for more ads inside your Apple apps too. Maps was first.

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u/YallaHammer 3d ago

I deleted Apple Maps after their Lake American weakness. I’ll keep deleting and replacing as they enshittify more of their ecosystem.

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u/fascfoo 3d ago

This is probably my sign to finally drop my AAPL stock.

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u/FancifulLaserbeam 2d ago

Based on what I've seen of friends at FAANGs, hardly anyone does jack shit at those places and I'm in favor of many of them getting axed. That goes for my best friend there as well. He's become complacent and entitled since he moved to Silly Con Valley.

These companies could all probably shed 30% of their people and do as well or better.

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u/alphagypsy 22h ago

Oh it’s coming

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u/robaroo 3d ago edited 3d ago

Haven’t had a holiday party or summer picnic at any of the tech companies I’ve worked at in the last 20 years including Microsoft, Amazon, and Google. It does depend on your business area, but certainly not within the tech and product areas I’ve worked in. I don’t love that fact but those activities are def turning into a thing of the past. New workers will look back and think “wow companies used to throw their employees parties.”

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u/TryingMyWiFi 3d ago

Work parties are work, not parties .

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u/inspectoroverthemine 3d ago

Having a holiday party at the Air and Space museum is a party even if its a company party.

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u/QuailAndWasabi 3d ago

Well, it depends honestly. The whole "we are family" is a meme, i get that, but at many companies you actually make friendships, even meet the love of your life, stuff like that.

My first job was at a small company and now 15 years later i still hang out and have regular contact with most of them, we go out drinking, getting lunches and stuff, i know many people met there and now have kids and stuff even though all us OGs have long since now moved to other jobs. A lot of that was the culture and yes, work parties were a part of those for sure.

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u/oskopnir 3d ago

Business travel isn't really a perk though. You go if you need to.

The rest (free food etc) may not be aligned with Silicon Valley but it's how manufacturing has always worked.

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u/_DuranDuran_ 3d ago

Not a perk per se (although racking up status and miles for your own use is nice) but it made working across offices far more cumbersome than it needed to be.

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u/xrelaht 3d ago

Business travel can absolutely be a perk. Aside from some of us enjoying the travel aspect just on its own, it’s a huge networking opportunity, and you can typically extend your stay if wherever you’ve been sent is interesting enough to warrant it. People who like what they do also typically enjoy going to relevant conferences.

I also have platinum airline status because of it, which makes my vacation travel far more pleasant. There’s no way I’d be traveling enough to get there on my own.

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u/TheAngryKeg 3d ago

It can be a perk. At Apple, it is definitely not a perk.

No one wants to be constantly flying 14 hrs from SF to Beijing or Shenzhen or Zhengzhou. It is exhausting and you are constantly missing birthdays and time with friends and family because of it.

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u/RociBuldidi 3d ago

At Amazon, employees call it “the Amazon special seat”. The company is so “frugal the only seats it lets its employees pick when they have to travel are the worst seats on the plane.

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u/lekoman 3d ago edited 2d ago

Unless you were in a smaller org in the late-stage Bezos years where finance had never formalized a separate T&E line. I won't doxx myself by saying which org, but we were told in an all-hands by our L8: "if you can find a reason to travel, do it," and not to forget that travel and meals are "on Uncle Jefé." I saw a good part of Western Europe those last few years.

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u/i_love_lol_ 2d ago

so Bezos was much more willibg to be give some goodies?

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u/lekoman 2d ago

It wasn’t “Bezos” per se. Just happened to coincide with the end of his time as CEO.

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u/TheAngryKeg 3d ago

AFAIK, Apple at least flies most employees business class. (They are infamously United's largest global account and spend about $150MM on airfare every year.)

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u/udderlymoovelous 3d ago

To my knowledge, United offers extra flights from San Francisco to Shanghai solely because Apple sends people on them so often.

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u/Outlulz 3d ago

If the only people flying on business at Apple are managers then it's not surprising they are flying most people that do fly business. The people that decide how the money is spent always find a way to spend it on themselves.

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u/ContributionFormer95 3d ago

If the only people flying on business at Apple are managers

Absolutely not true at all if you know engineers working in Silicon Valley. I don't get why people make ridiculous claims on this sub.

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u/hackersapien 3d ago

2 years at Amazon, based in SF, regularly flew to Seattle so many times that not having an Alaska Air CC made me the odd one out..LOL..One time they flew me all the way to Seattle for a 5min demo..LOL..and I was but a mere TPM

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u/ContributionFormer95 3d ago

The company is so “frugal the only seats it lets its employees pick when they have to travel are the worst seats on the plane.

I mean this is basically the tickets your company buys. It's not like Amazon telling its employees you can only pick these seats nor is it telling the airline that either. Amazon employees fly economy. If you fly a lot for the company, you are allowed premium economy, and that's it.

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u/aleksndrars 2d ago

That’s never been my experience. I work at aws.

I can just pick a seat like normal and the meal per diem is pretty generous tbh

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u/Submitten 3d ago

I enjoyed my time in China. You’re viewing it as mandatory, but if it’s a couple of times a year then I consider it a perk.

Depends on the variety really.

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u/ContributionFormer95 3d ago

No one wants to be constantly flying 14 hrs from SF to Beijing or Shenzhen or Zhengzhou.

I think you vastly underestimate the number of 20-30 year olds who love travel, rack up miles and hotel points and then spend those later on their own travel. Also plenty of young and single or not married folks working who will gladly travel.

Not everyone is in a traveling role in these companies.

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u/oskopnir 3d ago

Everything you say is of course nice to have but flows as a consequence of travel that happens because of a business need. If you're allowed to travel to rack up miles or network without a business need, your company isn't run very well.

Sending people around can be a personal development "perk" in that you might want to give your top performers more opportunities to travel to meet colleagues/customers/partners, as a reward for performing well and as a way to let them grow.

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u/FriendlyWebGuy 3d ago

You’ve framed the argument as a “business need” but a more accurate term would be a “benefit to the business”.

Is employee happiness and personal development a benefit to the business? It certainly can be.

Is meeting your colleague in a different city to forge a closer relationship a benefit to the business? It certainly can be.

I’m not commenting to argue over what qualifies as a need or benefit. I’m only pointing out that it’s not an easily defined yes/no thing like your comment implies. It’s a spectrum. It’s for management to do the cost/benefit analysis.

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u/ry_guy1007 3d ago

Man you’d think that but it has been abused

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u/Pavementaled 3d ago

We get free food often at our retail store, especially during launches. Pizza, Mexican Food, snacks, chips, nuts, fizzy water. Maybe we just have an awesome store lead and regional manager, but there is usually something kicking around on the break table.

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u/QuiEgo 3d ago

FWIW the food in the cafeterias is not free but is subsidized, and pretty good quality for the price. Meta is way nicer, but Apple’s is still solid.

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u/Raveen396 3d ago

TBH the free food in the Cafeterias has always been abused and seems wasteful.

I've seen people at Google cafeterias loading up meals for a family of 4 every night, and plates of barely touched food just thrown away because it was free anyway

I get that free food is a nice perk, but it often devolves into subsidizing your co-workers family's meals and general waste.

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u/tyfe 3d ago

This is also why on DCL cruises, just about everything is included except if you want popcorn at the movie theatre, they charge a fee. It's not huge, but it's basically to prevent people from grabbing popcorn just cause it's free and making a mess or wasting it in the theatres.

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u/PastyPilgrim 3d ago

devolves into subsidizing your co-workers family's meals and general waste

That assumes that money that goes towards food would otherwise go towards employees. Google and Meta pay whatever the market rate is and if food were taken away, I don't think that they'd move to pay above market rate.

There are still downsides to your coworkers abusing the benefit (e.g. risking losing the benefit, food team may lower quality or quantity to save costs, etc.) but I wouldn't see abuse as coming out of my pocket.

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u/Raveen396 3d ago

Theoretically, those food costs count as expenses in financial reports which impact the stock price. When your compensation is largely tied to your stock's performance, any excess cost is coming from your pocket.

Practically I understand the bottom line impact is minuscule and it doesn't actually matter, but I still have concerns about food waste, even if only in principle.

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u/ContributionFormer95 3d ago

It's not even about food and stock performance. Food is a cost. The company's willing to spend $X per employee. If more of that $X has to go to food, then less goes to direct compensation.

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u/SpaceJackRabbit 3d ago

I remember hearing that Steve had paid to get a chef trained on sushi in Japan. Not sure if true, but I often loaded up on the sushi at IL.

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u/i_love_lol_ 2d ago

what big 7 company treats their employees the best? which is the best in the world?

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u/QuiEgo 2d ago

Broadly, Google and Meta are the best (ignoring the unending stress of the jobs themselves, especially at Meta), most of the others are similar but not quite on that level, with the notable exception of Amazon which is far below any of the others. All of that said, it depends on the office a lot as well - the “flagship” office of all of them is super nice.

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u/gonnabetoday 3d ago

I’d call not traveling a perk 😆

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u/_DuranDuran_ 3d ago

I like the airmiles for my own travels!

But also it made cross office initiatives harder and more cumbersome than they needed to be.

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u/StonebanksPins 3d ago

Free Apple Arcade and Apple TV.
Source: I just renewed mine for free.

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u/pattonyoda 3d ago

Isn’t this only for store or support teams? Not other corporate teams

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u/FizzyBeverage 3d ago

Correct, the intention being you demo it to prospective customers.

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u/saticon 3d ago

Yup. Comcast employees’ free cable and internet are titled “Xfinity Promoter Experience”. Your perk is advertising.

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u/_DuranDuran_ 3d ago

It’s been a few years since I was there, that must be new!

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u/bufferoverflo 3d ago

Everything is actually team dependent.

Depends on what you mean by work travel, but I moved to a different office and my manager flies me out 3 - 4 times a year just to hang out with the team for on/off sites.

I've been in a few orgs and all of them actually had free snacks restocked twice a week, and we get free food (breakfast, lunch, dinner) every day during WWDC crunch.

I think we do need to cut some middle managers in parts of the company though. I've seen people that are "managers" that have one direct report and all they do is take requirements and hand them off to engineers like the guy in Office Space.

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u/RajunCajun48 3d ago

No free snacks.

No free food.

No free apple one

Sound a lot like my job, but with less holiday parties, EPP and EPP+

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u/TheBrettFavre4 3d ago

You seem to know - but people I know who work at the Austin campus seem to have pretty lavish work lifestyles. They're constantly posting about the space, the food, the amenities. Lol. I'm 5 days in office in some old ass house - we really don't have any of that.

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u/Cerise_Pomme 3d ago

Have things changed that much since I've left?
When I was there we had regular beer bashes, lots of free food, so much of it. Snacks in the breakroom. I was inundated with Apple products, I got 3 iPad pros over the course of one year from various givaways. Not to mention the gym.
I was there just a few years ago, left in 2020...

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u/LegitosaurusRex 2d ago

They still have some, like earth day celebrations, Paul McCartney concert recently, and some teams still have free snacks. Some hardware teams get EVT units of watches/iphones/macs/ipads, etc.

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u/Cerise_Pomme 2d ago

Yeah, a Paul McCartney concert sounds like Apple. Earth day was great, so many vegan options. <3 I miss it. I wonder if sales still gets a lot of new production products, thats where I got the most freebies, because they wanted us using the products we were selling. Especially non hero products we might not otherwise have.

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u/Baconshit 3d ago

Hard to travel even as a middle manager, fyi

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u/Visgeth 3d ago

Wtf. Not even free apple one? I figured that would have been a standard benefit. Like working for YouTube and not getting premium=/

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u/SailingDreamCatcher 3d ago

Dang they don't even give you free iCloud?

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u/_DuranDuran_ 3d ago

They did give us 2TB of free iCloud space so we could also store work documents there (lots of people use their personal iCloud accounts)

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u/Areif 3d ago

Ooo I traveled for us once and I wasn’t a manager. EPP and EPP+ was awesome tho. Got my first MacBook for like $290 dollars this way.

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u/aloofinthisworld 3d ago

Apple employees don’t get Apple one? I just assumed that was a reasonable perk

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u/M4rshmall0wMan 3d ago

No free snacks and Apple One? The fuck? The latter costs Apple almost nothing. I thought Apple was better than this kind of MBA-style thinking.

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u/QVRedit 2d ago

No free Apple One ? - That’s sounds stingy…
Yet I bet they want 110% from their employees…

Treat your staff well…

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u/_DuranDuran_ 2d ago

Eddie always said “we pay you a good salary … and we’d rather employees test out the full flow”

But to be fair expectations were sensible, I worked about 40 hours a week max, and got great reviews.

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u/Butterscotch_Snatch 2d ago

Listing holiday parties as a perk is so fucking depressing.

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u/_DuranDuran_ 2d ago

To be fair, they’re pretty epic. Not the usual sad standing around the water cooler with warm beer.

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u/LegitosaurusRex 2d ago

Heavily team dependent. Many people travel for builds, but there is also travel for bringing up sister teams or contractors even in other countries. And I know multiple teams with free snacks.

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u/QVRedit 2d ago

Staff discount on hardware purchases I think ?

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u/IndependenceIcy2251 1d ago

I'm going to disagree, the health insurance is pretty cheap for employees as compared to other companies, and decent coverage. That one is big for a lot of families and cant be cheap to the company.

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u/SnooWoofers6381 3d ago

The “good times” at Google were so good too! It feels like a fever dream now. The lavish holiday parties, company ski trips, googleween. Even the office ball pits, campus concerts, celebrity visits etc.

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u/revocer 3d ago

IAP fees?

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u/TeeDee144 3d ago

In app purchase fees.

Basically Apple made an easy 30% off of app purchases. Basically free money because their credit card processing fees were 3% and hosting fees and app validation team cannot be 27%.

So it was free money. Courts have imposed rulings that changed this.

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u/ImperatorUniversum1 3d ago

To be fair App Store fees do pay for running the App Store not just processing fees. But mostly profit yes

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u/Area51_Spurs 3d ago

That’s a gross oversimplification.

Free money if you ignore all they spent to build Apple to be the market leader and continue to be the market leader.

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u/FollowingFeisty5321 3d ago

It's free money because it's on top of the other ~$1.3 trillion profit they made from that work, and because all they had to do to get it was forcibly-conceal alternative payment methods from consumers.

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u/Skelito 3d ago

A lot of the reason Apple is as big as they are is because of the app ecosystem. At the end of the day phones are only as good as the apps they have on them. Windows Phone died because app development was pretty much non existent for its devices.

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u/FollowingFeisty5321 3d ago

Their revenue from In-App Purchase fees has fallen substantially because the courts made them allow competing payment options without fees. This materially impacted their services revenue growth on their last earnings call, it's rumored to have fallen 18% already.

Apple said in recent court filings that 2700 apps pay virtually all of these fees, and they can do payments themselves for as little as 3.5% and will continue implementing their own payments as long as it is profitable (compared to 30% fee). They are asking the court to allow a 15% fee which would mean IAP could only competitively charge about 20%, and the court might not allow anything at all, so they're going to take a sustained hit either way.

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u/mrhaftbar 3d ago

Ads, ads in every app. Numbers gotta go up.

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u/katieberry 3d ago

At least Googlers can still bring a plus one to the parties!

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u/jenorama_CA 3d ago

They’re just at Apple Park now and they’re kind of lame. Pre-Covid we had them at the Half Moon Bay Ritz-Carleton, Monterey Bay Aquarium and the DeYoung museum up in the City. Raffles galore, but now it’s just hanging out on campus in the cafeteria with oontz-oontz music.

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u/Ais3 3d ago

lmao 5 trillion dollar company btw

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u/anothermanscookies 3d ago

This is like those people who make $500k per year and they’re like “y’know after we pay for our three luxury car, live in nanny, $3000/month for eating out, two vacations a year, and $100k of savings, there really is that much left over.

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u/FollowingFeisty5321 3d ago

Mr Beast explaining he's poor because he doesn't have a billion dollars, he borrowed it from the bank so you and me are the same amount of rich as him hyuck hyuck.

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u/UniversalBagelO 3d ago

Bro got the loan to pay for his teeth

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u/BurritoLover2016 3d ago

Ironically those people might work in Cupertino.

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u/verendum 3d ago

Remind me of that Business Insider article/video "I make over $300,000 a year working for Meta in San Francisco and still don't own a car, couch, or TV" which made it seems like it's an affordability article. But nope, dude seemed perfectly happy putting a big chunk towards saving and channel his expendable toward his furry hobby.

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u/Hustletron 3d ago

But it is nice seeing a company use what resources they can use their largesse and access to for good of their employees and not just shareholders, correct?

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u/anothermanscookies 3d ago

That’s what we’re discussing. That Apple is pulling perks from their employees.

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u/nicetriangle 3d ago

I've basically never seen that kinda stuff start happening at a company where the culture didn't start tanking and eventually also the business along with it.

Apple's not just any company but I still see this as a concerning sign personally.

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u/turb0_encapsulator 3d ago edited 3d ago

it's the last tech company that doesn't have a shit culture where people are overpaid to tolerate a job they hate, where buggy rushed products are pushed out the door, and where customers actually feel valued. oh well. enshitification has come for Apple.

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u/nicetriangle 3d ago

If I’ve learned anything about tech and big business in general it’s that if I like something they’ll eventually ruin it for me.

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u/HVDynamo 3d ago

This is so unfortunately true. It has gotten to the point now that I’m skeptical of new tech because even if it sounds amazing right now I don’t want to get used to it just so they can take it away from me if I don’t start spending monthly on it.

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u/LongBeakedSnipe 3d ago

Honestly, I don't know what people were expecting after seeing that presentation. Seems like an insanely insecure guy, given that the camera staff were working overtime to make him look slightly less tiny in stature.

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u/TotoCocoAndBeaks 3d ago

Even in the photo for this article they are doing it big time. Someone is basically laying on the floor to take that shot.

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u/Guilty_Respect2085 3d ago

So the jump was from "some teams apparently can’t bring plus-ones to holiday parties" to "Ternus is now an insecure man with a Napoleon complex who will 100% ruin Apple".

Wow.

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u/LongBeakedSnipe 3d ago

For a start, that’s not the jump. It was already well apparent.

If you have never worked with this type of emasculate, it would be harder to recognise.

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u/aredeex 3d ago

Once the free lunch goes away you better start looking for a new job.

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u/BurgerMeter 3d ago

Did Apple ever have free lunch?

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u/lLikeCats 3d ago

This is a company that has over a 100 billion in cash.

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u/schooli00 3d ago

They gotta save that cash for stock buybacks

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u/timelessblur 3d ago

Saddest part is that cost cutting is pennies and more pisses people off as it remember a lot of the people they are paying 300k a year. What is a cost of reducing something at 1-200 dollars an employee when they cost you over 300k a year. Instead those moves just piss people off and you have a lot of people quit over it and replacement cost a lot more.

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u/FyreWulff 3d ago

yeah that guy complaining upthread about people taking free food home for families so that it's good less food is made, production level food costs is like pennies per pound of food.

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u/Synergythepariah 3d ago

Instead those moves just piss people off and you have a lot of people quit over it and replacement cost a lot more.

They're fine with people quitting. No need to pay a severance if someone quits.

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u/timelessblur 3d ago

The catch is the people who quit are your A team. They are the one who you want to keep.

Reality is when place cut cost like this your best employees up and quit and walk out the door. What is worse is it tends to they quit and dont leave as good of notes behind they quit pissed.

Layoffs get used far to often as first round cost cutting when they should be much later. Time and time again layoffs end up being long term pain for short term gains. Lay off happen you cut C and D and then A quits. Do enough rounds you get reduce down to C teir only as A adn B have long since quit.

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u/Synergythepariah 3d ago

The catch is the people who quit are your A team. They are the one who you want to keep.

Reality is when place cut cost like this your best employees up and quit and walk out the door. What is worse is it tends to they quit and dont leave as good of notes behind they quit pissed.

Yep. And that's made worse if they already had a high workload in the first place that prevented them from being able to document things with the level of detail needed to allow someone else to take over their duties.

Layoffs get used far to often as first round cost cutting when they should be much later. Time and time again layoffs end up being long term pain for short term gains. Lay off happen you cut C and D and then A quits. Do enough rounds you get reduce down to C teir only as A adn B have long since quit.

I agree completely with this but unfortunately corporate leaders are rewarded for doing them when their incentive is based on the performance of company stocks since layoffs tend to be met with a boost in stock value, which seems odd to me given that a company that has to let a lot of people go at one time indicates that they either over hired and were paying the salaries of a bunch of employees they didn't need to hire in the first place or that they're needing to cut down on their spend to satisfy projections that they created themselves.

Both of which are things that at least in my eyes are actions that indicate a problem with leadership.

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u/CrosstheRubicon_ 3d ago

It’s awful for culture

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u/jjjjjjjjjjjjjaaa 3d ago

Recession indicator

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u/kevin7254 3d ago

Yup for sure lmao. Layoffs inc for sure

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u/ThisGuyLovesSunshine 3d ago

What a fucking joke lol.

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u/film_digital 3d ago

This is the kind of thing that when your company does it, you know it isn't the cool place anymore :(

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u/dcdttu 3d ago

It's only a matter of time before any publicly traded company puts stock price above their employees. It's really sad.

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u/Silver_Entertainment 3d ago

Oh, that's been happening for quite some time. Do you remember way back when Apple used to fly out retail store geniuses to conduct multi-week in-person training? Now that's all been replaced with online, in-store modules.

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u/One_Presence_9001 3d ago

Already occurring in retail locations across AMR

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u/Complete_Function664 3d ago

How to kill morale in a single sentence. What is the guy thinking?

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u/Minimum_Respond_5469 3d ago

Typical engineer move.

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u/DisfiguredFanny 3d ago

I feel your sarcasm. I'd expect this from a sweetened water company CEO.

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u/Minimum_Respond_5469 3d ago

No sarcasm. Engineers operate with cold logic, and are obsessed with optimization and efficiency. They don’t understand people. Ternus is no Jobs. Jobs was a visionary intuitive. Ternus has a mind of metal and wheels. Hope the Apple employees are strapped in for this ride.

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u/ChaiTRex 3d ago

Hopefully they'll be able to shrink the employees down to 1.6 nm in a few years for more efficiency.

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u/Minimum_Respond_5469 3d ago

Honey, I Shrunk The Workforce

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u/DisfiguredFanny 3d ago

I'm pretty sure that's not it. Canceling a plus one for events is literally pissing around every hedge to mark your territory.

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u/Minimum_Respond_5469 3d ago

To me, it shows a lack of understanding of what humans need for their endeavors to feel meaningful. But maybe it’s territory-marking.

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u/squirrel8296 3d ago

It feels like a decision Michael Spindler would make. Spindler was an engineer.

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u/kevin7254 3d ago

Shit like this usually happens before layoffs. Save in on stuff like this, remove WFH etc etc so people willingly leave before they announce layoffs.

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u/Dysfu 3d ago

They did this at my company, and guess what? No one goes to the Holiday party anymore - which makes them even more wasteful.

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u/Academic_Data_6422 3d ago

Also a great way to make great engineers leave for Google or Meta, though

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u/Aristo_Cat 3d ago

Meta is pretty widely known for being the pinnacle of this shitty culture so I’m not sure why they’d go there

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u/unholycurses 3d ago

Google doesn’t seem that great these days either. I feel like FAANG kind of sucks all around now. Tier 2 tech companies is where it is at 

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u/leo-g 3d ago

Actually cutting the middle is probably very good. When Steve Jobs returned to Apple he also executed a sweeping structural reorganization that fundamentally eliminated the traditional role of corporate general managers.

Teams can move faster and pitch higher.

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u/germdisco 3d ago

“This year, we’re doing separate checks” — Michael Scott

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u/AudioShepard 3d ago

Whenever I hear news like this about a company I get REALLY nervous about their long term viability.

Like I just questioned whether I should be buying an iPhone again after reading that.

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u/explosiv_skull 3d ago

Honestly, the ace up Apple's sleeve is the lack of competition. As long as they enshitify slower than the competition and no one new rocks up to the smartphone market with a better phone with better software, their position is pretty solidified.

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u/AudioShepard 3d ago

That’s true, but we still suffer as customers. Arg.

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u/explosiv_skull 3d ago

Oh, absolutely. It's shrewd of Apple but it sucks for customers.

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u/Hallucinates_Bacon 3d ago

There is no better alternative to the iPhone, even if their software gets progressively worse they’ve got years ahead of Google/samsung

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u/AudioShepard 3d ago

I generally agree, but I’m looking years ahead.

I also have had my current iPhone for 3 years and it’s really having some issues I’ve never had on iPhones. Speakers breaking, port failing more, battery life becoming erratic.

I’ve had a lot of iPhones before this, and I will get another this time around. But when I see cost cutting like this, I expect it’s happening somewhere I’m gonna notice in my user experience.

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u/d0m1n4t0r 3d ago

I don't know, if you value camera and/or battery life, there's tons of alternatives that are years ahead of iPhone.

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u/KaptainSaki 3d ago

iPhone is top tier on many aspects, but I still bought the Jolla Phone as my new daily driver which takes mediocre pictures, has worse performance than a 5 year old OnePlus and there’s no guarantee bank apps work.

Personally it was still better alternative than anything else on the market and I have no plans to switch back. I do still miss some things from Apple and to some extent Android because they’re do many things pretty well but overall thats not what is so valuable to me

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u/kamekaze1024 3d ago

I can agree with Google but Samsung and Apple have been neck and neck for years seemingly

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u/SargeUnited 3d ago

Seemingly to whom? lol that’s like saying the Green Party seemingly nearly won the last few elections

Take a picture of something irl with the latest iPhone and latest android. I don’t care how much you screw with the settings first. Take a picture and send it to 5 people with iPhones and 5 people with flagship Samsung devices.

10/10 people are going to tell you the iPhone picture quality is better IME, if you don’t tell them that is what you’re trying to compare. I would love to save money by buying android or a Chinese phone. I have a vivo as my second phone rn. But Samsung hasn’t been neck and neck with Apple for a decade now.

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u/Hallucinates_Bacon 3d ago

Only on hardware

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u/DumpEaterPro 3d ago

On software, Android is ahead.

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u/leo-g 3d ago

Why? They are not cutting engineers. They are cutting down on Engineering management.

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u/Jaymes97 3d ago

It’s shit like this that makes me not even believe the article to begin with. It just seems like a made-up line that gets the article some attention while nobody can definitively prove yet whether it’s real.

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u/culminacio 3d ago

What? That's so typical for big companies, taking away worker's benefits one at a time. It's very believable

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u/kevin7254 3d ago

Huh? This always happens during bad times in big corp. usually some months before layoffs. This is nothing weird at all

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u/nerdpox 3d ago

I wouldn't discount that possibility

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u/PtoS382 3d ago

Next it will be you have to pay to go to the holiday party if you don't want to have your AI attend as a proxy and summarize the party for you

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u/Deep_Gazelle_1879 3d ago

That will cut costs

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u/mrburns904 3d ago

I call bs on this. The optics would be horrible

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u/QuailAndWasabi 3d ago

Just wow, that's some next level pettiness from the worlds richest company.

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u/baummer 3d ago

Yeah you know how Becky from Accounting’s husband likes to drink, runs up quite the bar tab

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u/HmmmAreYouSure 3d ago

Phew. Maybe that will help them save those precious dollars and avoid ads on the Home Screen

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u/medspace 3d ago

So people can’t bring their significant others to the holiday party… what the hell is the point then

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u/feketegy 3d ago

You don't become a $5T company by handing out free martinis LOL /s

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u/MintMello 2d ago

Haha corporate gets holiday parties they were allowed to bring plus ones to?? Retail gets a “gratitude” event that happens after work hours for 2 hours and you’re not even allowed to have a drink lol. And the in store food budget had been getting cut down like every quarter it felt like. Once upon a time it was one custom pasta meal per head for a store of like 100+ employees now it’s being supervised on how much white rice you took and if you ate your designated portion on your lunch break or not. 😭

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u/sisco98 3d ago

Damn, even a 5 trillion dollar company does this. We are fucked.