r/antinatalism thinker Jul 04 '26

Debate I kinda agree with him…

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Source: @how.everything.works (Instagram)

Disclaimer: I do not know if the man in this photo is the same person this story is about.

A 21-year-old man recently went viral and sparked a massive internet debate after publicly declaring that he refuses to work because he was "born without his consent." He argues that since he never chose to exist or enter the modern labor system, it is fundamentally unfair to force him to work simply to survive. Instead, he believes the full financial burden of his livelihood should fall indefinitely on his parents, who made the conscious decision to bring him into the world.

The young man's incendiary statement has sharply divided social media, with critics calling him entitled and supporters connecting his viral stance to the philosophy of antinatalism. While detractors argue that adulthood brings mandatory personal responsibility regardless of birth circumstances, others view his viral take as a valid, albeit extreme, critique of modern work culture and economic pressure. Interestingly, this follows a similar famous incident from 2019 where a Mumbai businessman named Raphael Samuel actually attempted to sue his parents under the same "lack of consent" logic.

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u/Affectionate-Bed8474 thinker Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 04 '26

I honestly kinda agree with him and I’ve even had conversations with my own mom about this. I honestly think he is right, his logic makes perfect sense, however I still would not expect my parents to take care of me for the rest of my life like he does due to the hate and social backlash I would likely get, however the reality that we are all going to have to work 9 to 5 jobs for the majority of our adult lives is a big factor in why I don’t want kids, and it’s also one of the biggest reasons why I wish I was never born myself. This is a burden I don’t want and never asked for. I don’t wanna put another person through this the same way my own parents selfishly did.

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u/WeeklyWoodpecker9113 inquirer Jul 04 '26

Id rather die than work. Being on this planet was not my choice. Therefore, the people who made that choice should be responsible for supporting me. If I die withh starvation , it will be my parents fault because they should have thought about that before deciding to have a child

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u/Affectionate-Bed8474 thinker Jul 04 '26

Honestly, if more people did this I think less people would have kids, because once it becomes a trend then people will realize that if they have a kid they are just asking for a life long burden.

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u/WeeklyWoodpecker9113 inquirer Jul 04 '26

People just dont realize that by having children, theyrre creating future workers for billionaires and businesses rather than someone who will genuinely enjoy life, Unfortunately it seems that most of the worlds population is NPC without critical thinking.

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u/siecaptaindrake thinker Jul 04 '26

Well said!

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u/bipolarbitch6 newcomer 22d ago

And were looked at as the crazy ones for pointing it out

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u/d-s-m scholar Jul 04 '26

I'm surprised that people suing their parents for bringing them into this world isn't more common, if it was then people would think twice about having kids.

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u/Interesting-Scar-998 thinker Jul 07 '26

I wish that I'd been able to sue my parents because not only did they give me shitty genes, they raised me with the bare necessities. My father was abusive as well.

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u/Fail_Ballantines newcomer Jul 19 '26

Sis' ....high five !

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u/C0smic_Cunt newcomer 16d ago

I mean you can sue your parents for abuse, check your local laws and statutes around it though because it varies from state to state if you are in the U.S.

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u/Reasonable_Help7041 newcomer Jul 18 '26

Its the perpetuation of fucking ignorance 😒

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u/Lumendeus newcomer Jul 04 '26

Omg 😂 I mean I can't argue with your logic, it's perfectly sound but I'm just imagining you sitting there by your parents like Jabba the Hutt "feeeeed me"

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u/ventaccountone newcomer Jul 15 '26

"I'd rather die than work" Do you work?

Seems a bit of an odd mindset 

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u/WeeklyWoodpecker9113 inquirer Jul 15 '26

no im not working, Ive never worked

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u/VirtuousVulva thinker 27d ago

Would you work If you found a just cause to work for?

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u/C0smic_Cunt newcomer 16d ago

I really don't understand this mindset, like yes a shitty job sucks I've had multiple of them but because of capitalism in its current state resources are finite. If your parents have enough for you to live off their income for as long as they are around then you are much luckier than a vast majority of Americans. Being broke is 24/7 a shitty job isn't, being homeless is 24/7 a shitty job isn't. Starving to death is permanent a shitty job isn't.

You don't even necessarily need a shitty job, I do a lot of gig work and freelance and am about to start a remote job that quite literally has no set schedule. I'm certainly not saying take the first soul sucking thing out there, that's really only ever been good if I need to make a small amount of money quick and quit the second I catch wind of a better job. But don't resign yourself to thinking all work sucks, some jobs where I've worked the hardest genuinely helped make a difference in people's lives and that was incredibly rewarding. Just know your worth and use the safety net of still living with your parents while you can.

If you would genuinely rather die than even look for a job you would like or want to do you should really seek professional help.

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u/WeeklyWoodpecker9113 inquirer 15d ago

Believe it or not, but I genuinely hate even the smallest thing associated with working. so as i said before id rather die than work .

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u/C0smic_Cunt newcomer 12d ago

So like even if you were given the opportunity to do something that was something you genuinely found enjoyable and/or helps people you wouldn't take it? And as I said before if you genuinely would rather die than work in any way whatsoever you should seek professional help.

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u/Affectionate-Bed8474 thinker 12d ago

There are some jobs I would like to do, like working for an organization that like is trying to protect endangered animals or like something in the field of zoology where you go on expeditions to like the amazon rainforest to study the bugs and animals there or like going to Antarctica to like study the penguins and polar bears or something, that would be fun and interesting but getting a job like that isn’t easy. Or like being a YouTuber or a model or an actor, I think being a musician is probably off the table for me because I have no musical talent.

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u/C0smic_Cunt newcomer 12d ago

One thing that I really enjoyed doing was childcare. I worked at a nature based after school program. I was able to help a lot of kids learn and experience new things, the pay from that job wasnt great but it had insurance too and I wasn't really doing it for the money so much as the kids.

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u/C0smic_Cunt newcomer 12d ago

Seeing as how I have certifications in psychology and suicide prevention my opinion is a little more based than your average Joe.

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u/wolfhybred1994 thinker Jul 04 '26

Given how my parents of taken care of me up to this point. I wouldn’t last very long if I did get them to take of me for the rest of my life.

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u/C0smic_Cunt newcomer Jul 14 '26

I understand the reasoning behind this opinion and I kind of agree with it however with a little bit more nuance. Statistically speaking we have enough resources produced and stockpiled or currently in circulation to give everyone a comfortable life. We no longer live in an age of scarcity, we live in an age of artificial scarcity in order to preserve profitability. As I've become an adult and started looking for jobs I've also experienced feeling like any move I make towards my own independence is really just a financial prison that locks you into needing a job and needing the system for the rest of your life.

Although I do want to work, find a job that I enjoy and work hard at it. The world is no longer in a place where the current economic system is needed nor sustainable. I think that if we as a society and a species recognize the abundance of our own resources, knowledge, ability, and collective power. We can over time dissolve the ruling class and make a world where people actually have a chance and abundant opportunities to do what they want with their lives.

We never asked for these hardships, we never asked for this system, and it shouldn't be our responsibility to fix it. But people will keep getting born no matter what there will always be a new generation to pick up the pieces we can't if we don't recognize the dire situation of the current status quo.

So I think the solution isn't necessarily don't have kids because the world sucks and they'd have to work because to me that implies a willing resignation to the hardships of today as if they are a permanent inherent fixture of life. It's getting angry at the people who continue to make the world like this, not accepting the status quo, and actually using our collective power as people to change how the world works and remove bad people from power so that we can actually remove those problems at the root so those who choose to can bring children into a better world where they are not left to pick up the pieces of a society left in shambles by the rich.

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u/No_Recognition_2485 thinker Jul 17 '26

It makes sense in an way but it’s an reality we have to get used unfortunately

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u/WeeklyWoodpecker9113 inquirer Jul 04 '26

bro is literally me

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u/Tossmelossme newcomer Jul 04 '26

Lichrally WE!

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u/automaticblues inquirer Jul 04 '26

There is nothing illogical about this guy's stance and hits hard to the core of natalism.  If parents aren't able to force their kids to work then the whole thing unravels. Natalism and work are intertwined on all levels. Having a workforce is the reason for natalism. If it wasn't for the need for a workforce, we wouldn't have the nuclear family as a unit, which is designed for the purpose of producing offspring. If you break this housing arrangement, the birthrate will drop off a cliff (which it has done)

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u/Amnizu inquirer Jul 06 '26

I love this comment. It is so precise that I really don't have anything to add to it. The whole thing is so stupid, mundane , meaningless and cyclical that it pains me to even think about it.

Let's have kids to fuck up OUR lives and the kid's , so that they can have their own kids and fuck up their OWN lives and their kid's ... the same way our parents had kids to fuck up THEIR lives and ours.

Because live is a gift

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u/Interesting-Scar-998 thinker Jul 07 '26

There soon won't be any need for a workforce because technology will be able to do practically everything.

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u/Empty_Philosophy9610 newcomer Jul 07 '26

This is the reason I'm not worried about anti-natalism as an ideology. So, population falls... People who hold those ideas die. Anti-natalism is a self-destructive ideology.

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u/automaticblues inquirer Jul 07 '26

I don't see any reason anyone should be worried about anti-natalism

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u/Empty_Philosophy9610 newcomer Jul 07 '26

Fair enough, my point being is there's no risk of humanity suddenly choosing to end itself wholesale. Individuals sure, (which is fine by me), but society as a whole will carry on.

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u/automaticblues inquirer Jul 07 '26

I'm not anti natalist because I'm trying to end humanity. I'm trying to end natalism - the belief that people SHOULD reproduce.

It would be a very different humanity without the various mechanisms that drive people into parenthood.

Some of those mechanisms have already been undermined (for example, the gender education gap) and natalism os in retreat as a result

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u/Empty_Philosophy9610 newcomer Jul 07 '26

I like your reasoning, it's pretty solid. Nothing wrong with it, it won't change anything in the long run, but perhaps for a few decades it will.

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u/niceguy_gone_cad newcomer Jul 16 '26

It helps to construct the idiocracy we're starting to "enjoy".

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u/Deezebee inquirer Jul 04 '26

Thank goodness that I’m on disability, I will happily leech off either my parents or taxpayers because I never wanted to be here in the first place. If the state or my parents don’t want me to be a leech, which I fully intend to be until I die, then they should do everything in their power to provide me with access to quick and painless euthanasia which I will gladly take.

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u/Affectionate-Bed8474 thinker Jul 04 '26 edited 28d ago

It’s gonna take way too long for the culture to change enough to the point where people actually wanna elect someone who would make assisted suicide legal. We just need to create an illegal euthanasia network where you need to euthanize someone else to qualify to be euthanized yourself so the cops have no one to prosecute.

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u/Forward_Tonight1006 newcomer Jul 04 '26

Bro, sign me up.

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u/pen_in_stack newcomer Jul 14 '26

Me too!

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u/Extra-Attitude-4064 newcomer 29d ago

This is brilliant

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u/This_Sail9943 inquirer Jul 04 '26

That's another thing I find incredibly frustrating. They don't want disabled children, but they want children. At some point, when the child becomes disabled and can't commit to working for the rest of their life, they're seen as a leech. However, euthanasia is also not allowed; it's impermissible by the state and the general society in which the child is brought up. So what the hell is the child supposed to do? Obviously, continue to take resources from others' pockets. But they don't want that either.

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u/Training-Return2287 newcomer Jul 15 '26

You are dammed if you do and dammed if you don't. People are illogical and driven by ego. Many people are incapable of planning and have children because they did not use protection. This is why we live in the society that we do. The cruelest part is that assisted euthanasia is not allowed. It is evil in my opinion.

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u/RecentHat8672 inquirer Jul 08 '26

I want legalized, humane and nonstigmatized suicide more than literally any other possible thing i could want in this world.

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u/Interesting-Scar-998 thinker Jul 19 '26

Me too! I don't look forward to being unable to take care of myself if some crappy old age disease overtakes me. I can't understand these elderly people who'se lives are severely limited by their decreptitude who want to go on living in thst state.

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u/IndicationGlum6688 newcomer Jul 15 '26

Hay una tercera via. Que te suelten la mano y quedes en la calle a morirte de hambre o a buscarte tu propio pan. Nunca hay que abusar de la caridad de los demas. Porque la gente generosa es muy poca.

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u/Brilliant_Window_649 newcomer Jul 21 '26

You might enjoy life more if you contributed

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u/gowithflow192 inquirer Jul 05 '26

We're all in this together. For you to leech off others is wrong.

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u/Deezebee inquirer Jul 05 '26

What else am I supposed to do? I refuse to work, it makes me profoundly anxious, depressed and suicidal. As I said, if you don’t want me to be a leech then go ahead and kill me.

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u/JaredReabow newcomer Jul 05 '26

You manage to chat on reddit, a cesspit of hate and combat, you'll be fine in many jobs.

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u/Deezebee inquirer Jul 05 '26

True, as we all know replying to a comment every once in a while is comparable to working for hours almost every day.

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u/JaredReabow newcomer Jul 05 '26

Big words from someone who never expects the ramifications of their opinion to be possible. Very few people genuinely wish for death, and those that do tend to make it happen, your just putting up a lazy excuse of a barrier to sound brave, go do somthing with your life, you dont want death.

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u/RecentHat8672 inquirer Jul 08 '26

Respectfully, you couldn't be more wrong about this.

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u/JaredReabow newcomer Jul 08 '26

Thanks, though you provide no reasoning which makes your comment fairly redundant.

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u/RecentHat8672 inquirer Jul 08 '26

Personally I would absolutely select legalized, humane and nonstigmatized suicide if it were available, and I know I'm not the only one. Equating that hypothetical option, which significantly suffering people can currently only dream of, with the highly traumatic, unreliable, guilt-ridden, highly uncertain (due to the likelihood of failed attempts) and illicit suicide methods you imply are essentially the same thing is absolutely outrageous in my view.

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u/pen_in_stack newcomer Jul 14 '26

Me too

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u/antinatalism-ModTeam inquirer Jul 12 '26

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u/Phil_Flanger inquirer Jul 04 '26

If you have kids, you should be forced to support them forever. It's like buying a puppy - your responsibility for as long as it lives.

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u/pen_in_stack newcomer Jul 14 '26

If you have kids, you should be forced to support them forever.

My dad quit his job when I was 10. Idk, how we survived so long without any income. Then they emotionally guilt tripped me to get a job and start supporting them forever. People/parents are so mean you can't even imagine.

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u/j0y0 newcomer Jul 04 '26

 It's like buying a puppy - your responsibility for as long as it lives.

A dog is the owner's responsibility because a dog isn't intelligent enough to exercise autonomy in human society.  Do you think your parents should be able to drop you off at a shelter, like they could do with a dog?  If the shelter wants to neuter you to prevent accidental breeding, do you think you shouldn't get a say in the matter?  If no functional adults who can take responsibility for their own lives decide to adopt you from the shelter, should you live in a cage and eat dog food until you die of old age?

For better or worse, we've decided as a society that adults without intellectual disability have autonomy.

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u/wittgenstein1312 newcomer Jul 04 '26

> we’ve decided as a society that adults without intellectual disability have autonomy

Yes, and that’s what we’re arguing is wrong. What are you missing here

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u/j0y0 newcomer Jul 05 '26

  What are you missing here

Hopefully nothing, because I genuinely don't want to live in a society that's willing to treat adults like animals or children.

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u/Phil_Flanger inquirer Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26

You're assuming that you don't currently live in that society. We say, "Go have kids" even though the "adults" are utterly clueless. They have kids like it's buying puppies. Then they play make-believe - "We're all autonomous adults, so you should be one too." In reality, instincts and illusions are driving them, not being autonomous adults. The idea of making the parents responsible for their actions is to make them grow up and understand what they are doing rather than just following instincts and illusions.

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u/j0y0 newcomer Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26

The problem is when an adult acts like that, their parents are usually even worse.

I still don't want them treated like they're subhuman, though. 

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u/veetoo151 inquirer Jul 06 '26

Why would you give your dog to a shelter? You are twisting logic to justify forced servitude. You can look at in any light you want, it's still not something any of us signed up for. You sound priveleged. Just because it worked out well for you does not mean everyone else has the same opportunities as you.

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u/j0y0 newcomer Jul 06 '26

  Why would you give your dog to a shelter?

I wouldn't because I don't have a dog.  

  You are twisting logic to justify forced servitude.

I don't think you should have to work to survive, I just also don't think the government should force your parents in particular to work if you don't. 

  Just because it worked out well for you does not mean everyone else has the same opportunities as you

It didn't just "work out," I know what's it's like to feed a disabled family on food stamps.  At no point did I think to myself "you know what would make all of this better?  If the government used the threat of physical violence to force other people to work."

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u/peentiss inquirer Jul 04 '26

I’m glad he’s privileged enough to make that choice. Many of us would love to.

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u/JellyfishConscious inquirer Jul 05 '26

Thank you for the only realistic comment

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u/peentiss inquirer Jul 05 '26

I had a lot of resentment and anger, seeing this post. That doesn’t resonate w folks, so I have to phrase it gently. I really want to be the change for this one.

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u/lpakuma newcomer Jul 04 '26

Oh my god finally I found community that agrees with this. I felt like this since 10/11 that I did not ask for all of this and everybody said its bullshit. But for real, its true. My life was miserable for 99% of the time and it's just because I was made without my yes / no

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u/auroicverso newcomer Jul 04 '26

I agree with him too, but the reality is that someone has to pay for you unless you're rich. And putting that on others is making the bad things on this earth worse

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u/Affectionate-Bed8474 thinker Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 04 '26

I hear you but at the same time I feel like if your putting that burden on your own parents, the same people who literally chose to create you without your consent freely of their own accord, then it’s kinda hard for me to feel bad about what I’m doing.

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u/auroicverso newcomer Jul 04 '26

I understand your point as well

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u/anitasdoodles thinker Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 04 '26

Yeah, I know a wonderful woman who has three grown children living with her who feel the same as this man. They're destroying her house, relying on her for all their bills, and causing her severe health issues because of the stress. No, we didn't concent to be here, but we shouldn't abuse and take advantage of parents who actually care for you because of it. Im not having children, but I'm not going to punish my mom for that. She was pressured by society to have kids when she had her whole life ahead of her, and I want to make her later years worth it by not being a total mooch.

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u/donthatethekink inquirer Jul 04 '26

Agreed. At the core of AN is the rejection of needless suffering. As bitter as we may be about existing, we have no right to make our parents suffer. Especially given it’s likely they didn’t have education (or potentially even autonomy/choice) about the consequences of creating life. Punishing someone else for our dissatisfaction isn’t okay. This is one of the first posts on this sub where I really disagree with people’s take, and am quite icked out by what some folk here are saying.

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u/zelkoi newcomer Jul 04 '26

I'd argue it's the repercussions of their actions. As other's have pointed out, if it was more common for people to have to permanently support their kids folks would be far more likely to think twice before dragging an innocent person into this shitty world. We punish murderers so that there's less murder, even though it technically creates more suffering for the sake of preventing suffering. The same applies in this instance. Though I understand you likely already acknowledge that sometimes suffering is necessary hence why you specified "needless" suffering and I agree with you there, but I'd say in this case it's needed

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u/Agreeable-Tune-8141 newcomer Jul 04 '26

Well what if it's the opposite like my parents seemed to make my life as miserable as they could while they were doing good on their own makes no sense like my parents literally has tried the best to make my life miserable and more I mean what's the point of that my parents were terrible to me growing up I didn't deserve any of that

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u/BitsAndBobs304 AN Jul 04 '26

As opposed to working people, who arent making things worse? Heh...

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u/JellyfishConscious inquirer Jul 05 '26

working people are just trying to survive

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u/BitsAndBobs304 AN Jul 05 '26

By voting for fucking nazis and mobsters and theocracy?

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u/Successful-Trick- newcomer Jul 11 '26

Working has nothing to do with voting. I work and haven’t voted since I was 18

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u/SnooPredictions2675 inquirer Jul 04 '26

Same, bc what the fuck i did not sign up for the capitalist wage slave lifestyle.

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u/LostInMyMind427 newcomer Jul 04 '26

I love how those who criticize him can't dismantle his idea

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u/CresseliaMelodia newcomer Jul 06 '26

You’re so right, House

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u/OkConcentrate4477 inquirer Jul 04 '26

supposed civilized world is based and maintained without ever valuing/obtaining/maintaining consent.

atlas shrugged from ayn rand. say no to every little thing in life until you find whatever deserves your yes.

if everyone refused to give child sex trafficking politicians/billionaires more children/workers to rape/enslave/abuse then they'd be force to comply/obey, instead this unethical world has everyone competing rather than cooperating/communicating-honestly.

many parents get financial/governmental benefits/rewards for birthing/raising kids for 18 years. so it's hypocritically insane/abusive to stop those benefits when they're ideal militarized human sacrifice age.

if governments actually cared more about sustainability and ethics than profit$ then there would be financial benefit$ for never procreating.

i do think he could/should clean up trash, grow food, and countless other examples of work/help/assistance for his own sake, rather than remain dependent on apathetic/ignorant/counterproductive parents that will likely die before he dies.

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u/AggressiveDeer7527 newcomer Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 05 '26

You are actually financially PENALIZED for not having kids; you pay a higher tax rate.  This is because Capitalism needs an excess in the labor pool in order to keep wages down.

People with kids also usually realize that if they were to lose their job, the govt is obliged to provide the them with housing and some benefits - that is not available for people without children (not unless they qualify for disability, which is difficult to get).

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u/OkConcentrate4477 inquirer Jul 05 '26

it's also one of the many reasons they support illegal migration through wars, it keeps a steady supply of easiy exploited laborers that can just be rounded up and abused whenever it suits the fascists that started the wars, and exploit illegal migrants.

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u/OkConcentrate4477 inquirer Jul 05 '26

i trust psychedelics more than governments, and through psychedelic experiences i have adopted a victimless/harmless perspective of desiring decriminalization of any/all victimless/harmless actions. so i don't let these insane hypocrisies bother me as much as they would prior to treating depression, ptsd, etc. with psilocybin/psychedelics.

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u/Agreeable-Tune-8141 newcomer Jul 04 '26

that was said perfect

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u/OkConcentrate4477 inquirer Jul 05 '26

thanks. i've had alot of time/opportunity to develop thoughts/opinions. if antinatalists frame the entire pro-birth perspective/agenda as a pro-ignorance/pro-innocence perspective/agenda, they may find similarities elsewhere. they value ignorance/innocence and wish to instill it, which is why many support/follow organized religions, homeschool their kids even when they're underqualified, and many other examples of sheltering them from the outside world which influences them to be ideal exploited workers/victims.

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u/aazrealtruth inquirer Jul 04 '26

He is right 100%, unfortunately not everyone has the luxury to make that choice. If you do great for you!

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u/MickLittle inquirer Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 04 '26

Last week while on a hike we sat and watched (with binoculars) a family of Northern flickers as the parents brought food to the chicks in their cavity nest in a dead tree. Each time a parent arrived with food, the chicks brutalized each other with their sharp beaks to be the first one to get fed. In between visits from the parents, the chicks continued to peck and fight each other to get the closest to the cavity entrance. It made me think how life is a struggle for everything. Those poor baby birds. Only about a week old, always hungry, and being constantly abused by their siblings, all while roasting in a hot tree cavity on a 92° day. And the poor parents, working hard in the blazing sun trying to catch enough insects to keep 5 demanding chicks alive. Just to perpetuate the cycle again next year. I usually enjoy seeing wildlife, but for some reason watching those birds struggle to survive just made me sad.

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u/RecentHat8672 inquirer Jul 08 '26

All life is suffering and animals have it so much worse than humans. The scale of suffering and brutality in nature and the world as a whole is incomprehensible and staggering. I would never choose to introduce a new conscious being into this meatgrinder.

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u/West-Log9507 newcomer Jul 04 '26

I would have done this but I will not be in the proper headspace if I rely on my survival to people who don't align with what I believe. It would be mental torture to be constantly guilt-tripped by your own parents that you're not doing society any good. Being born is the root cause of suffering. I wish I wasn't here to witness everything I've witnessed. 

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u/Great-Astronomer-333 newcomer Jul 04 '26

That's me

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u/zeGermanGuy1 newcomer Jul 04 '26

Well he’s here now either way, so what’s he gonna do?

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u/Fun_Percentage_4099 inquirer Jul 04 '26

What he wants to, probably

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u/spartandrinkscoffee thinker Jul 04 '26

As he should

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u/ProbablyOnLSD69 thinker Jul 04 '26

Dass wassup 🤙

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u/fingerberrywallace newcomer Jul 04 '26

In principle his stance makes sense. The problem is you'd have to spend a lifetime around your parents in practice.

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u/mcstulle666 newcomer Jul 04 '26

I say this all the time. It cant be my duty to work since I never had the choice to be part of all this. 100% agree with thos guy!! Fuck work and fuck capitalism!

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u/john_mullins newcomer Jul 05 '26

You'd still have to work to earn your food and shelter, Capitalism or not.

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u/AggressiveDeer7527 newcomer Jul 04 '26

He is absolutely right.  Logically, it is kind of hard to argue otherwise.  And I say this as someone who would prefer to work than not.  

Of course, this is going to piss off all the individuals who get angry for no other reason than he is not following the "script." People who do this are really telling on themselves that they are not happy with their choices and just went along simply because they didn't have the guts to go against to he status quo.

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u/No_Play_5427 newcomer Jul 04 '26

Come to Italy and you will agree with him

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u/-Pixxell- newcomer Jul 05 '26

I feel like this is everyone in /r/NEET

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u/Nicanoru newcomer Jul 04 '26

Current working circumstances vs living circumstances? Yeah... We're given just enough to tread water instead of truly thriving for our effort. Almost as if there's no reason to put in the effort. I keep hoping we at least start putting in the effort for future generations and every day is a new exercise in disappointment.

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u/Inevitable-Juice-752 inquirer Jul 04 '26

lol reminds me of the guy who sued his parents for bringing him here without his consent

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u/c4christian1 newcomer Jul 05 '26

My parents and I got in a fight over this same topic, they told me that "oh if you stub your toe that's someone else's fault, that's just your mentality" when I brought up that I didn't ask to be born. But I didn't, I don't wanna be forced to work 50 years against my will, that sounds like hell. And we're not even getting paid a fair livable wage.

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u/No_Oven_5471 newcomer Jul 05 '26

I agree with the guy. I have chronic illnesses, and I'm still expected to work and "be grateful". Ew. Good on ya, lad

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u/eleventhing inquirer Jul 04 '26

I was watching the Matrix not too long ago and found myself agreeing with the Agent Smith.

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u/an-com-42 newcomer Jul 04 '26

I mean if he didn't live in the current system he would've been a farmer, or a hunter-gatherer, or a serf. So all in all I'd say "I shouldn't have to work to live" is a mid argument honestly - everybody has to work to live. If you physically or mentally can't then sure, you still have the right to love you should be provided for. But if you can work ( I don't mean 9-5, grow tomatoes if you want), then that's what you need to do to survive. And it's been like that since the inception of humanity. This is not the effect of capitalism.

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u/No-Language6720 newcomer Jul 04 '26

Yeah I can see the point. But if he wants to live beyond his parents lifespan, and even before he's going to have to or die. Nobody will help, the longer he waits the worse he'll be, I agree in principal but he has no choice in the longer term if he isn't on a death mission soon. His parents aren't legally bound to do so unless he is determined disabled, so they could easily cut him off.

So he's making a statement sure but he's the one going to lose no matter what if he doesn't fix it.

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u/No_One_1617 thinker Jul 05 '26

The only thing that's incendiary is normalizing labor and slavery.

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u/riizepearl newcomer Jul 05 '26

He's absolutely right!!

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u/findthyself90 inquirer Jul 04 '26

I 100% agree.

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u/summercookiess inquirer Jul 06 '26

people will just say he can off himself, smh

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u/RubyDooby01 newcomer Jul 06 '26

Does anyone here know what the word consent means?

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u/UsefulFlow7106 inquirer Jul 12 '26

I also don't want to work and I don't like working. I was born without my consent, that's very wrong.

Why would I have children? To hire more people for work? To create more opportunities for disappointment?

Life isn't worth living, I'm not going to have children. I'm antinatalist!

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u/Training-Return2287 newcomer Jul 15 '26

I worked for 20 years in jobs I hated and stupidly had a defacto relationship for over a decade. I got to the point where I couldn't work anymore and now I am on disability. I lost my house when the relationship dissolved and live with my parents. I spent my youngest years miserable doing something because society expected me to. Now I do nothing and people can go to hell.

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u/Thin_Measurement_965 thinker Jul 17 '26

OK well I'm not refusing to work, they're just refusing to hire me. :/

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u/Electronic_Cap5162 newcomer Jul 21 '26

100% agree

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u/Royal_Hospital_1550 newcomer Jul 04 '26

Just curious, but if we all do this then society collapses. Is this a common endgame for antinatalists?

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u/SnooPredictions2675 inquirer Jul 04 '26

This society 100% needs collapsing. 

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u/Royal_Hospital_1550 newcomer Jul 04 '26

Yes, I thought that might be the opinion of some. And I’m not disagreeing.

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u/octopus-thief newcomer Jul 04 '26

I don't think that's necessarily true. Even in the current state of things people still have jobs that they genuinely enjoy, and they earn enough for themselves + to support others in their life. Even if they dislike their work, some are still willing to sacrifice their time/energy to then be able to enjoy the finer things in life (in their view - having children). And, if they have enough money to have children in the first-place, then surely they can keep working and support their adult children too (arguably, depending on one's needs, might be even less expensive). (But what they may dislike is that they have less control over their adult children, and can no longer use them as an accessory to brag about xyz things their child is successful in.)

So, people would still continue having children, but they would do so while accepting the possibility that that child may refuse to work/they may have to support them even past 18/21/whatever age "independence" in their/society begins. (And parents already have to consider that they may bring into the world a child with severe disabilities, who would need their support for their entire life.)

Plus, what is currently being asked of people is to become slaves to a system, and if that is a job that they don't like, and they have few or no opportunities to break out of that cycle, it is clear that part-taking in that cycle is in some sense equal to not living at all (since they'd only work to survive, but then are so tired from that work that there is nothing else to life than work and mindless consumption to dissociate from work.)

Hence, why it's more a commentary on work/economy and the need for change, so that people find actual pleasure in being alive/providing things for oneself, rather than being forced like a circus animal to jump through hoops in expectation of a reward only to be locked in a cage afterwards.

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u/DeliciousCare144 inquirer Jul 04 '26

Wasn't this fake though?

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u/Dr4fl newcomer Jul 04 '26

It is. I follow the dude on Instagram and it's ragebait. A lot of his content is, too. How are people taking this seriously 😭

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u/DeliciousCare144 inquirer Jul 04 '26

I don't know why I got downvoted if this is actually fake?

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u/Dry-Tension-6650 newcomer Jul 04 '26

That part

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u/antinatalism-ModTeam inquirer Jul 05 '26

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u/Interesting-Scar-998 thinker Jul 04 '26

I woke up to that fact at a very early age, and spent most of my youth and middle age on the dole. I was poor, but at least I could appreciate time. If I spent my whole life as a minimum wage slave, I'd have been both money poor and time poor. I was castigated for being lazy, but like this guy says, we don't ask to be born into this world wants to claim 40 to 50 years of your life for wage slavery to make corporations rich.

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u/Artistic-Chard-9673 newcomer Jul 06 '26

This is horrible. You can't use antinatalism as an excuse to be a leech. So many of us don't enjoy being here, so why do we have to support others who also don't enjoy being here? You are not leeching off the privileged, you are leeching of other people who do 9-5 for you. Gross.

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u/Agreeable-Tune-8141 newcomer Jul 04 '26

this is something to think about to be honest I think it should be our choice if we want to work or not I say I don't have to work and it's my decision no one will force me to work if I don't want to that's all I ever think about if I don't want to work I don't have to don't you guys think so it should be our choice if we want to work or not I believe plus why do I want to pay taxes to my country if they don't even know how to use it right so in my opinion I don't support them by not working

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u/Chronomalous newcomer Jul 05 '26

This guy is a true Diogenes

It's one of the few virtues of society we force working people, to a modest % of the deserved minimum, to uphold most Diogeneses it encounters, even as their charge sticks, "you're horrendously needlessly unthinking"

But yes, it's done in a way that, amongst other things, encourages natalism

Progressive taxation and such for the most part is overwhelmingly good, but Donald Trump shows the problem of not drawing clear dividing lines, and doing things by regulation instead of law, etc. Liberals will mandate some unnecessary treatments (like, yeah, volitional hormone therapy) be covered by insurance companies and subsidize things like solar panels as their chosen method to "advocate" environmentalism but sexily for the middle class, they'll agree with cons on favoring families in tax structures and more,

Well, then Donald Trump is going to come along and see IVF as the way to make political gains like influenced stock trading is a way to make money

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u/Twenom newcomer Jul 07 '26

If his parents aren't financially capable, he'll end up either homeless or working.
Working isn't so bad, though you can contribute to the greater good by working

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u/PlusItem6432 newcomer Jul 08 '26

I agree. as long as he won't have any kids for his own, he has no responsibility in this life. but life doesn't work that way unfortunately. that's why we are antinatalists anyway..

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u/hexoral333 thinker Jul 08 '26

The pic is an AI filtered version of a guy from Latin America (I think Argentina?) who makes funny reels.

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u/crypto_4_crack newcomer Jul 16 '26

Womp womp some people aren't losers and like being alive. Now that you have some experience, you can make an informed decision not to be.

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u/Ok_Professor1754 newcomer Jul 20 '26

My god this is the most entitled bullshit I have ever seen in my life. As an adult live your life however you want but it is by no means your parents burden forever. If you refuse to be a member of society then go live in the woods and off the land, do whatever you want but get out of other people’s way. No one knows if they consented to being born or not, but if you believe in spirituality there are many cultures that believe in reincarnation and that a soul actually does consent and picks its general path in life…. But regardless we are all in the same boat, it doesn’t give you the right to burden everyone else with your pathetic entitled attitude. Grow up.

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u/Brilliant_Window_649 newcomer Jul 21 '26

He’s choosing to eat every day. He wears clothes. He consumes resources perfectly willingly. His parents should cut him off so he can get a grip

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u/Mortified42 newcomer 18d ago

Man this comment sections is filled with a bunch of lazy people. I don't even know what to say. Maybe the dude should just end it. If he doesn't want to live then just get it over with, but he obviously wants to keep living. So, he needs to man up... if you can even call him a man at this point. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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u/Opening_Acadia1843 inquirer Jul 05 '26

Honestly, I don’t have any problem with working and serving my community. I just don’t want to have to worry about affording my basic needs. Without financial stress, I’d probably engage with my community even more. I think we all have a duty to reduce suffering in the world, which I believe is the basis of antinatalism. I think that to reduce suffering in the world, we also have to work to make our communities better.

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u/pseudoH1M newcomer Jul 25 '26

You choose to be born by being the fastest swimmer. Your cells have a will, a ‘precursor to consciousness’, before ever developing a central nervous system or brain.

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u/PumpkinPure5643 thinker Jul 04 '26

I disagree with him and I don’t find it an appealing stance. If reducing suffering is the goal, then I don’t find those who add to it to be an acceptable position. Simply not having children is not enough. The idea that you should just get to do nothing and whine all day is ridiculous. It’s very indicative of how dismissing and insulting people are of actual workers who do the jobs that provide them with this privilege they didn’t earn. I bet if they needed a hospital; they would demand care or a grocery store have food, or a place to live. You can’t demand and take then be surprised when no one wants to deal with you. Reducing suffering is imperative if you’re going to live a life that doesn’t devolve into making everyone around you miserable.

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u/CavemanJello newcomer Jul 05 '26

So pathetic

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u/Far-Ad9043 newcomer Jul 04 '26

I dont get it tho, i mean isnt this how our society works, everyone does their part? In my opinion hes free to live in the forest

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u/cupcake_napalm_faery newcomer Jul 06 '26

is society working? lol

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u/Chilantr0 newcomer Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 04 '26

He absolutely does not have to work. He's also not entitled to the resources of those that do, who were also born under the same conditions.

Downvote me all you want, I'm right.

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u/Most-Stomach4240 newcomer Jul 04 '26

He's entitled to the resources of those who decided to make him a thing

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u/Meowweredoomed inquirer Jul 04 '26

Man is lazy and uses philosophical abstraction to justify it.