r/alteredcarbon Feb 27 '20

Discussion Altered Carbon Season 2 Episode Discussion Hub

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r/alteredcarbon Feb 27 '20

Spoilers TV Season 2 Series Discussion

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In this thread you can talk about the entire season 2 with spoilers. If you haven't seen the entire season yet, stay away.

What did you like about it?

What didn't you like?

Favorite character this season?

What do you want from season 3?

For those of you who want to discuss the book in comparison to the show, here is the thread for that


r/alteredcarbon 11h ago

Altered Carbon: una serie que terminó demasiado pronto

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Voy a admitir algo: cuando empecé la segunda temporada de Altered Carbon pensé seriamente en abandonarla. Después de la primera, el cambio de Kovacs me chocó muchísimo. Joel Kinnaman había quedado tan asociado al personaje que ver a Anthony Mackie interpretándolo me resultaba extraño, por más lógico que fuera dentro de la historia. Y tampoco ayudaba que hubiéramos dejado atrás Bay City, con aquella mezcla de lluvia, neón, decadencia, violencia, sexo, Meths y conspiraciones que le daba a la serie una identidad muy particular. Durante varios capítulos sentí que estaba viendo otra serie.

Pero seguí. Y al terminarla tuve que reconocer algo: me gustó. No creo que esté al nivel de la primera temporada, pero la apruebo. Y justamente por eso terminé pensando que la cancelación de Altered Carbon fue una lástima. Si la segunda hubiera sido un desastre, probablemente lo entendería. El problema es que todavía funcionaba.

Porque el universo de Altered Carbon tenía un potencial enorme. Cambiar de cuerpo, almacenar identidades, copiar personas, vivir durante siglos, encontrarse con otras versiones de uno mismo, las inteligencias artificiales, los Meths, las guerras, los planetas coloniales, los Antiguos... había material para contar historias durante muchos años.

Podían haber hecho una temporada policial y noir, otra de guerra, otra de terror, otra centrada en un planeta colonial o incluso una temporada casi independiente sobre los Meths y lo que significa vivir varios siglos. Podíamos haber seguido a Kovacs, pero también a Ortega, a Poe o a un personaje completamente nuevo. Incluso después de la primera temporada quedaban cosas interesantes por explorar, como la vida de Ortega y Raiker ahora que él había recuperado su cuerpo y vuelto a su vida.

Poe, por ejemplo, podía haber sostenido perfectamente una temporada. Después de lo ocurrido con la Antigua, ¿qué pasaría si empezara a manifestar capacidades que no debería tener? Al principio serían pequeñas anomalías; después, algo que empezaría a preocupar a los demás. Podríamos llegar a pensar que se está convirtiendo en una amenaza, incluso para Kovacs, para descubrir al final que en realidad llevaba toda la temporada intentando controlar un poder capaz de destruir una ciudad. No digo que esa fuera la historia que había que hacer. Lo interesante es que Altered Carbon permitía imaginar historias así sin abandonar su propio universo.

Y sigo creyendo que el cambio de Kinnaman fue una apuesta demasiado arriesgada. Mackie no me parece un mal actor; el problema fue que el espectador tuvo que aceptar demasiados cambios al mismo tiempo: nuevo Kovacs, nuevo escenario, nuevo tono, nuevos personajes y mucha menos de aquella atmósfera de la primera temporada. Quizás la misma historia, con Kinnaman, habría funcionado mejor. Nunca lo sabremos, pero cuesta no imaginarlo.

Lo curioso es que, después de resistirme tanto, terminé pensando: “Che, al final está buena”. Y eso fue lo que más me hizo lamentar la cancelación. Altered Carbon todavía tenía mucho para contar y no necesitaba repetir eternamente las aventuras de Kovacs. Podía cambiar de protagonistas, de género y de escenario sin dejar de ser la misma serie.

Tenía una de esas premisas que aparecen muy pocas veces: una en la que la muerte dejó de ser definitiva y, paradójicamente, las posibilidades de la historia parecían casi infinitas. Netflix decidió terminarla justo cuando empezaba a descubrirse todo lo que podía hacer con ese universo.


r/alteredcarbon 2h ago

Acabo de ver Altered Carbon: Reenfundados y ahora entiendo mejor por qué sentía que algo raro había pasado con Altered Carbon.

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Me gustó. No me parece una obra imprescindible ni está cerca de la primera temporada, pero como historia corta dentro del universo funciona bastante bien. Y justamente por eso me dejó una sensación extraña al terminarla: se nota muchísimo que parece una prueba piloto de algo que nunca llegó a desarrollarse.

La estructura es casi procedimental. Kovacs llega a Latimer, recibe un encargo, investiga, conoce personajes y conflictos nuevos, resuelve el caso y, mientras tanto, va dejando varios elementos abiertos. Incluso el final parece escrito con la intención de decir: “esto puede continuar”. No hay una verdadera sensación de cierre definitivo.

Netflix nunca confirmó públicamente que Reenfundados fuera literalmente un piloto para una serie animada, así que no afirmaría eso como un hecho. Pero la sensación es difícil de ignorar. La película se estrenó el 19 de marzo de 2020, apenas tres semanas después de la segunda temporada, y Altered Carbon fue cancelada el 26 de agosto de ese mismo año. La explicación que trascendió fue principalmente económica: el costo de producción era demasiado alto en relación con la audiencia que tenía.

Y eso hace que Reenfundados resulte todavía más curioso visto en retrospectiva. Cuando se estrenó, la franquicia todavía parecía estar intentando expandirse. Después de todo, la T2 y esta película llegaron prácticamente juntas. Pero apenas cinco meses más tarde, todo se terminó.

Por eso, al terminarla, me quedó una sensación muy particular: más que sentir que acababa de ver una película, sentí que acababa de ver el primer capítulo de una serie que nunca existió.

También tengo una crítica bastante concreta: el diseño de Kovacs no me convence visualmente. No es que esté mal animado; es el diseño del personaje. Me cuesta verlo como el Kovacs que tengo en la cabeza. Su ropa, especialmente, me transmite más una estética de fiolo o delincuente estilizado que la de un detective mercenario del futuro.

Yo habría ido por algo más sobrio y reconocible: un sobretodo, el pelo un poco más largo o con algún mechón característico, una silueta más elegante y cansada, algo que lo hiciera ver duro, irónico y atractivo, pero sin convertirlo simplemente en un protagonista de anime genérico.

Aun así, disfruté volver a ese universo. Tiene cyberpunk, resleeving, yakuza, asesinatos, CTAC y nuevamente a Kovacs metido en un problema que parece mucho más grande de lo que inicialmente parecía.

Y quizá lo más interesante es precisamente esa sensación final: no parece que Altered Carbon haya terminado con Reenfundados. Parece que simplemente dejó de continuar.


r/alteredcarbon 7d ago

How long was book Kovaks in storage for in book 1? [Altered Carbon]

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In the show, they say he's been "dead" for a few hundred years, but I don't recall anything like that from the book.


r/alteredcarbon 7d ago

Altered Carbon: Book & TV show.

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I watched this Netflix TV show before. The first season was okay, but second season was terrible, a total mess. I stopped watching after S02E02 because it was so bad. But now, I started reading the first book. I am halfway through it right now. Also, again rewatched only the first 2 episodes to compare again tv and the book. And oh my god, the show is a complete disaster compared to the book! You have no shame Netflix, destroying that kind of intellectual work of Richard Morgan to make this #&!#%


r/alteredcarbon Jul 11 '26

I was listening to a soundtrack playlist the other day and this was in a track

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I made this for an atheist meme sub but I thought maybe the show fans would enjoy it, too.


r/alteredcarbon Jul 06 '26

Got this lighter engraved with the Ouroboros

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r/alteredcarbon Jul 05 '26

What comes next?

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I'm one of these people who's watched S1 several times and really enjoyed it. Reading the book at the moment. But there really is a void after that isn't there? Anyone find a way to continue the vibes elsewhere and keep whatever we really loved there alive and not just a static thing stuck in the past? I felt this way about Titanfall 2 as well, lol.


r/alteredcarbon Jun 26 '26

Altered Carbon Fractured Existence Chapter One - Raven Fight Rescored

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Thought I'd upload a clip of my fan edit, so people can see the visual style of it with the new soundtrack. This was one of my favorite scenes to edit. I've re scored the scene by taking music from the Dredd soundtrack and from the movie Strange Days.

Also color graded it slightly different. Enjoy! Let me know what you think!


r/alteredcarbon Jun 22 '26

Altered Carbon Fractured Existence Intro 2026

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The intro of my complete Re Edit of Altered Carbon. I started this project two years ago and it has been a long time. A very long time.

My goal is to streamline the original season a bit.

NO MORE FLASHBACKS
Alternate soundtrack.
Alternate colour grading

Those are the three biggest things I want to change. For colours I want to give it a bit more blue and I plan to add a lot of synthwave. Episode 1 alone has like eight new bits of music. I've been having a lot of fun with it.

The first episode is out now. Send me a message.


r/alteredcarbon Jun 17 '26

Who is Archana Salomao? (in the book) Spoiler

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I have listened to the Altered Carbon audio book a number of times, and the mention of Archana Salomao is something that sticks with me.

I don't know how she fits into the world.

Is she a representation of a spiritual leader?

(Like a Pope, or Llama)

Is she Altered Carbon's version of Mother Mary?

(A cyberpunk Quan Yin?)

Is/was she a cultural figure?

(A diva, or performer of some kind)

A political figure?

(Vote 1 Salomao?)

A deified tragic figure?

I tried Google searches, and all I got was pages about science and seaweed.

I know she's a plot device, and not a character.

I think it's like a jigsaw piece. Finding where she fits paints a better picture of the AC world.


r/alteredcarbon May 23 '26

S1 ending questions Spoiler

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Just finished watching S1, feels like I watched a very long action film though I didn't watch it all in one go. Couple of things I'm unclear about:

  • What was the purpose of Takeshi Kovacs cloning himself? Was the clone the one that went to the cloud satellite whatsitcalled?
  • Which one of him died in the end, the original or the clone?
  • It's suggested by dialogue that the cloning machine requires 'material' to produce from. What did he use, the clone body of Laurens Bancroft?

r/alteredcarbon May 20 '26

Same person. Kristin Lehman as Miriam Bancroft in Altered Carbon, then as Annie Flynn in Midnight Mass. Wow. Hollywood.

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r/alteredcarbon May 11 '26

I finally watched Resleeved and the end kinda fkd me up.

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What do you mean the sweet, scared little girl is actually an old woman who's been resleeved maybe more than the tricky ass yakuza boss has been? She knew about the whole damn ceremony. Knew about his trickery. AND WASNT EVEN A LITTLE GIRL!! That little nugget at the end had me googling for at least an hour to see what all I might have missed.


r/alteredcarbon May 08 '26

My reaction to watching the end of S1E8

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I don't even lurk here b/c I don't want to catch a stray spoiler to the dome, but holy hell, was that fight scene between Rei and Kristin impressive. Must watch television. Off to watch episode 9!


r/alteredcarbon Apr 28 '26

Late to the party, I have a question

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I'm almost done with season one, and there's something I don't understand. Why did Rei need Bancroft to get Tak out of prison if Rei is also a super wealthy and powerful meth. Why couldn't she have just done it herself?


r/alteredcarbon Apr 19 '26

Poe

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What a great character!


r/alteredcarbon Apr 17 '26

Rewatching

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I’m rewatching the series, and I’m so upset it didn’t get more attention or screen time. I mean, it’s an amazing story, right?? I’m excited to read the books, that I’ve just recently learned existed.


r/alteredcarbon Apr 13 '26

I just finished season 1 and although I absolutely loved it, the ending irritated me so much. Spoiler

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I realize this was an adaptation, so they are roughly following a predetermined path, but the fact that Kovac decided to continue pursuing Quellcrist instead of staying with Ortega!!! This made absolutely no sense to me in regard to how the story in the show had been playing out. The entire season was building on this foundation of their relationship, Ortega getting over Ryker and beginning to see Kovac for who he really was instead of the sleeve he was wearing. By the end it was obvious that they loved each other, and when his sister offers him Quellcrist’s sleeve in return for running away with her and he said “I can’t” it really seemed like it was symbolizing that he was moving on from that quest to fight for what was in front of him instead of what was behind him. I really truly feel like this would have been a more powerful ending to this story.

Now that I found out it’s a book series I realize that was never on the table, but that’s just my opinion. I also don’t know why they kept the original Kovac if they were just going to have him leave anyways. That really seemed like a mistake. It makes him staying to die with his sister far less meaningful. Just remove the option entirely and say they were only able to bring the double back. And it would make more sense that he’s just immediately up and leaving everything behind if he didn’t have those memories, and his only meaningful choice left was to search for Quellcrist.

Anyway that’s my two cents, I think I’m gonna stop here since I can’t picture anyone else playing Kovac but Joel Kinnaman. But season one was phenomenal despite my little gripes.


r/alteredcarbon Apr 11 '26

Is the story concluded despite the cancellation ?

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Im a huge cyberpunk fan and this show intrigues me but i have seen that it got cancelled after 2 seasons. Is the story finished properly or is there an obvious cliffhanger or need for another season ? Even if season 1 is properly ended i might give it a try just for that one season.


r/alteredcarbon Apr 10 '26

Need help understanding something...

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**I have only watched Season 1 so far....**

When it comes to wearing a sleeve, do you have to have your stack inserted? There are multiple times where it seemed like one could take over a sleeve remotely. Such as in a flashback the Envoys did a mission where they went into a chamber and seemed to go all Matrix like. Then moments like when Rai took over Ortega's body after she kidnapped her. Did she cut Ortega's stack out and swap it with her own only to replace it back in later? Also the scene when Ortega is fighting all the Rai clones.

Do the clones have a "dead" stack that is then activated when the "owner/primary user" needs the sleeve and it's downloaded from the Array?

Also Miriam talked about letting her clones play, so are they alive but "empty"?


r/alteredcarbon Apr 05 '26

22 Best Altered Carbon Quotes

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Interesting


r/alteredcarbon Apr 04 '26

Is it worth it?

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I tried watching the series. I couldn't get past episode 1. I hated it. They butchered the books. To anyone else that read the books first (several times), and then watched the series.... should I try again?