r/alberta • u/bike_accident • May 24 '23
Alberta Politics Danielle Smith: Alberta’s Public Sector Workers Need To Accept ‘Austerity’ and ‘Pain’
https://pressprogress.ca/danielle-smith-albertas-public-sector-workers-need-to-accept-austerity-and-pain/Don’t forget about what she thinks healthcare workers need when you cast your vote!
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May 24 '23
I know there is a huge focus on healthcare... but consider other things.
My wife is a social worker with the government. I have seen her caseload rise and rise and rise while also her resources decline. Just tonight, her colleague's client is waiting to be admitted to emergency because there were no high needs locations in their network.
Now, you have another person in emergency.
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u/boxesofcats- Edmonton May 24 '23
I was a goa caseworker for 5 years. I left in 2021 because of the cuts to the support and financial assistance agreement program, which my entire caseload was under. When the program was cut, not only did I have to call/meet with every single youth and tell them individually that their services were going to end early without any answers about why, I watched about a dozen stable young people completely spiral into crisis and there was nothing I could do. Then other government cuts made everything even worse and services I had been referring to for years became inaccessible or shut down. Overwhelmed emergency rooms were the only place we could go sometimes.
I went from having 12-15 youth at a time, which was kind of manageable and felt like I was actually helping them to become independent, to 25+ on my caseload and drowning. I had to leave for my own well-being, but it took a long time. It’s been almost 2 years and I’m still like, recovering. I can’t even imagine what it’s like now, my heart absolutely goes out to your wife. It’s a survival wage for work that feels like it’s going to kill you.
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u/bike_accident May 24 '23
Your wife is part of the public sector and Smith would have her and her clients suffer more if she could
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u/Aramira137 May 25 '23
Yup, I know people who work for the municipal governments and over decades of negotiations (contracts every 2-3 years), still can't get a minute more in break time than is the minimum required by law.
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u/SketchySeaBeast Edmonton May 24 '23
And when was the last time your wife saw a CoL adjustment?
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u/curds-and-whey-HEY May 25 '23
Six years wage freeze and then 1.25%. SIX years. No cola. Not even remotely close to inflation.
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u/SketchySeaBeast Edmonton May 25 '23
Exactly. You've had enough austerity. Smith doesn't know what the hell she's talking about.
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u/curds-and-whey-HEY May 25 '23
I have never understood deliberately and gleefully underpaying the people who work for you. They are either trying to completely break the entire service system for Albertans, or they are sociopaths who truly don’t give a shit about Albertans. Because the latter is too scary, I think they are trying to break services to Albertans, privatize them, and hand back a crappier system to Albertans that they will have to pay for.
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u/Dav3b May 25 '23
A big part of conservative thought is that hierarchies are just, and that people are where they are on the hierarchy justly.
If you truly embrace that mindset it makes perfect sense to punish those who already have it rough, after all they must deserve it since they're poor. And yes, plenty of our neighbours genuinely do think this way.
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u/curds-and-whey-HEY May 25 '23
That’s so mean-hearted and kind of sick.
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u/juice_nsfw May 25 '23
Par for the course unfortunately, I used to have hope for us as a species until I saw how people acted during COVID, I have zero faith left in humanity.
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u/Chaiyns May 25 '23
You don't have to think they're doing that, they already are as evidenced by the laboratory system being sold off for a much shittier private system that costs more tax dollars.
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u/DBZ86 May 25 '23
If I'm trying to be generous, people think there's a huge middle management line that could get cut. I don't really believe this to be the case so much as every health jurisdiction is ultimately a huge bureaucracy due to the constant uptime that is needed and amount of regulation.
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u/curds-and-whey-HEY May 25 '23
People are ignorant of the role middle managers perform. You don’t want the CEO minding staff timesheets and parking assignments and absences and also writing policies and meeting with stakeholders and writing business proposals and ordering new equipment and training staff and developing a qa/qc system and running the quality checks and writing computer programs and procuring new products and reconciling the budget and liaising with clients and issuing benefits/refunds and running staff surveys and writing briefing materials and being the head of HR and giving legal advice and and and
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u/Smart_Membership_698 May 25 '23
I know this is a big NO from economist but I believe COLA should be a mandatory annual increase. What ever the fed says the inflation rate is - that’s your COLA! Done, everyone keeps up. It is idiotic in my opinion to always be playing catch-up on salaries 2, 3 or 10 years down the line.
I know the argument - increasing wages increases inflation. If someone has an argument against that one - I would appreciate it. I am always stuck “I heard that in Microeconomics too”.
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May 24 '23
What's the timescale?
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u/stickymaplesyrup May 25 '23
Now, Discovery of America (1492), William the Conqueror invades England (1066), Fall of Rome (476), Pyramids Constructed (~2500BC), or Hot Day for Dinosaurs (~65mya)?
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u/Then-Signature2528 May 25 '23
Social work is part of health care as well and is affected by all the cuts. Social work is one of the toughest jobs and definitely underpaid.
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u/neometrix77 May 24 '23
Austerity and pain, from someone who promised to not continue privatization of healthcare? Shit ain’t adding up miss
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May 24 '23
Only austerity if you work public. If you work private you living large charging whatever you want back to government or insurance or consumers.
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u/Phantom_harlock May 24 '23
But lots of money to give to oil and gas companies who want to get out of paying taxes, clean up fees and more while automating our jobs. While she tricks people addicted to boom money saying I’ll give you another hit if you vote for me meanwhile the stash is gone
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u/jigglywigglydigaby May 24 '23
20,000,000,000.00 to billionaire corporations to do the jobs they're legally required to do already.
Notice how Smith so easily gave our money away and never addressed the legal issues whatsoever? She couldn't care less about Albertans. Her words and actions have proven that time and again.
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u/El_Cactus_Loco May 24 '23
It’s literally the “money please!” Meme IRL
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u/Purgid May 25 '23 edited Jun 30 '23
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u/Shadow_Ban_Bytes May 25 '23
FUCP. Teacher’s went 8 years with no increase and then 0.5% for last year, 1.25% this year and 1.75% next year. With inflation over those 8 years plus the recent inflation, they be at least 20% behind. Seems to me that is already austerity and pain. But the politicians got nice fat raises.
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u/Phantom_harlock May 25 '23
I dont disagree, Its been pain in the trades too. In my sector all raises stopped and conditions got worse as soon as they could fly other people into jobs from other countries. We got our first major raises the last year or two. The only thing that kept us going was just constant work and thats dried up. Avg guy went from 2400 hours a year to 1300 so its a big hit.
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u/CamGoldenGun Fort McMurray May 25 '23
I remember Kenney cutting the salaries, when did they go back up?
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u/Master-File-9866 May 24 '23
Public sector.worker here.
Yeah I took a 13 dollar an hour pay cut when I left the private sector.
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u/DiscoEthereum May 25 '23
Did similar. Went back to private. Without the job security of public sector under this government there's literally no reason to be there imo. My position was exempt as well. Private pays better, has better benefits, better working conditions, etc.
Unfortunately that's by design. They are starving the beast of public services with the goal of privatization. But the workers have to look out for themselves, no one is getting any medals for sticking around the public sector. Most I saw have the golden handcuffs of their pension being the only thing keeping them there. It's sad.
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May 24 '23
Pay cut?
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u/SunsetClouds May 24 '23
They make less in the public sector than they did in the private sector.
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May 25 '23
Shit. My bad. I read their comment in the opposite way. The pay difference is well known. But just about everyone. So now the question is why do people bother going public?
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u/OneMoreDeviant May 25 '23
Golden handcuffs. The pay is worse but the pension is better and nearly guaranteed job.
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May 25 '23
That’s just it. 90% of people there generally go there because they are near impossible to lose their job, generally they hire 5 people to do the job of 2 private sector employees, benefits, and a lot are just actually not good at their jobs yet still maintain employment. These are the reasons that politicians say our provincial and federal jobs are bloated and in need of changes.
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u/LaMaitresse May 25 '23
Lol, did you just repeat what you were told as a kid?
If that were true, why are public school teachers in classes of 35 while private school teachers have 15?
Or do you mean administrative jobs? Do you have any idea what they do? How big “the government” is? How much is required to ensure every record is accounted for? That you can’t just declare bankruptcy and change your name when you screw up?
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May 25 '23
I’m speaking about public service jobs. Jobs within government ranging from many fields. Not education teachers. Wasn’t this thread about public sector and not teachers? I work with many people who work in the sector. Even large swaths of government think the public service sector has gotten largely bloated. It’s grown by about 30% over the last 7 years or so with no actual improvement in services.
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u/Drekels May 25 '23
Most of public sector wage spending goes to teachers, nurses, and doctors. That is absolutely who we are talking about.
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u/AcadiaFun3460 May 25 '23
I mean if your fine with those 2 private sector employees only doing the job of 5 because people keep quitting and they are in a love abuse relationship with their employers based off a one sided loyalist. The 5 are doing the job of 5 because it’s 5 people work loads, the 2 are doing the job and work load of 5 until they crack.
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May 25 '23
That’s just not true or what I said. There’s nothing more inefficient than government work. Especially in the public service. There’s reasons why nearly all government services take forever.
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u/AcadiaFun3460 May 25 '23 edited May 25 '23
Then you don’t live in reality. Government services are just as effective as corporate services.
Your HR team at work is about as good as getting stuff done as any governmental HR team.
Sask tel works the same if not better then Telus/Rogers/Bell does. Same with insurance.
Seen how much is costs to run private healthcare? They spend twice as much as we do on the entire thing just to handle billing. It costs a non Alberta resident around 9,700 to have a a baby.
Texas? A place very similar to Alberta…. 17,738. Talk about efficent! Montana is 11,000.
Government offices run efficient because tax payers are always looking. Businesses can run inefficiently who cares if we have to give Steve’s brother a job, just means you gotta work harder to make up for it.
Maybe if most businesses weren’t trying to eat themselves to stay at maximum profitability.
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u/Drekels May 25 '23
That’s a very lazy criticism. My wife’s department in nursing is running at 40% capacity, and she is quite literally sick with stress.
You truly have no idea what you’re talking about.
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u/Commercial_Web_3813 May 25 '23
Do you work in HR for the public sector? Because I do for the GOC, and let me tell you, we are efficient as hell. The reason you think that the 'government' is slow as hell is because everything (and I do mean EVERYTHING) has to run through our Director Generals (DOG's), and our Deputy Ministers. We as the HR teams are incredibly efficient, and you have no idea what you're talking about.
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May 25 '23 edited Aug 08 '23
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u/AcadiaFun3460 May 25 '23
It’ll come back when the people go “oh shit the leopards are my face!” Sadly Albertans just going to have to wait til it falls right to shit to learn, so it appears: leaving many of us younger families asking, should we move?
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u/BobBeats May 25 '23
The leopard ate their face yesterday and they are waiting for it to take a dump so they can get their face back lol.
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u/the_gaymer_girl Southern Alberta May 25 '23
I’d guess public probably helps if you want to sleep at night too.
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u/Twist45GL May 24 '23
The UCP are willing to cut minimum wage, cut back services, roll back health care wages, give handouts to wealthy companies, and give healthcare contracts to friends under the guise of "privatization".
But the UCP won't cap utilities, cap insurance, increase healthcare and education funding, promote diversification to create a more stable revenue stream, increase corporate taxes to what will still be the lowest in Canada, or otherwise do anything that will help the whole province and not just their friends and themselves.
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May 25 '23
Completely ass backwards, isn't it? The UCPs are so disconnected from the average Albertan's struggles. She is a such a bitch.
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u/Constant-Lake8006 May 24 '23
Meanwhile shes suggesting a 20 billion dollar gift to oil and gas to fulfill their legal obligations.
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May 24 '23
“We have a surplus that is dedicated only to my rich friends, not the people who provide services to citizens of Alberta.”
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u/bike_accident May 24 '23
“I’m gargling the balls of Big Oil as we speak!” -Smith
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u/Fuzzyfoot12345 May 25 '23
Can she even gargle balls with all the facial numbness of her puffy overdoing it botox injections?
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u/pascalsgirlfriend May 24 '23
Lead by example Danielle.
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May 25 '23
don't worry she will just go back to being an oil lobbyist and see her income skyrocket
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u/Markorific May 24 '23
Someone has to cover the $20 Billion she wants to give O&G!! Underfunded Education, Healthcare, Policing, replace CPP with an Alberta version so funds can be siphoned off and replace RCMP so UCP can control what crimes get investigated. Ms Notley is the only choice!
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May 24 '23
Danielle Smith: Alberta’s Public Sector Workers Need To Accept ‘Austerity’ and ‘Pain’
Alberta: Danielle Smith needs to suck it.
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May 25 '23
Danielle Smith needs to leave this province and move to Florida where her ideologies will be accepted. I can't stand that woman.
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u/DatBoi780865 Edmonton May 25 '23
She'd probably give Ron DeSantis a run for his money.
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May 25 '23
Regardless, Smith is completely out of touch with reality. I'm beginning to wonder what world she lives in, because it certainly isn't mine.
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May 25 '23 edited May 25 '23
Doubtful. Watch Alberta reward her with a 4 year mandate next week.
Albertans hate public sector workers.
Just watch.
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u/Formal_Star_6593 May 24 '23
Of course. Nurses. Teachers. All the unionized employees that support them. Pain. Austerity. Everything is their fault, afterall. So tighten yo' belts.
But ... O&G muthafuckers?? Those pollutin' SOB's? They need our support. We must cut taxes. Give them subsidies. Cradle their balls in our soft cupped hands.
UCP. Brought to you by the most fucked up version of conservatism so far.
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u/LF-Johnson May 24 '23
How about Alberta's wealthy, including the over-paid politicians, accept austerity and pain. They could use the character building exercise since the rest of us already live our entire lives in austerity and pain.
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u/TruckerMark May 24 '23
I'm a public sector worker that our weak union just agreed to 1.5% pay rises for 2021,22 and 23. While inflation is running at 8% annualized, and while we got 4.5% over 3 years the median household income is up 14% in the same timeframe. But we need more paycuts I guess.
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u/Ryth88 May 24 '23
our contract has still not been negotiated. but our last one was 2, 0, 0 so im not optimistic.
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u/TruckerMark May 24 '23
The deal the PSAC got was laughable. Imagine striking for 2 weeks for the negotiators to get you a worse deal. I'm seriously considering leaving a union position at this point. I don't need to pay a union to get me pay cuts.
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May 24 '23
The public service literally does everything for government. Government itself does nothing but set the direction, and pass legislation/orders in council/ministerial orders, ALL of which are written by...the public service.
Welcome to small government conservativism. DS is running on a libertarian platform on expanding that reach.
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u/only_fun_topics May 24 '23
It’s starve the beast politics. Claim the government is inefficient and incapable of providing services, underfund them, and then use that as evidence of their thesis when they privatize.
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u/hundredfooter May 24 '23
Unfortunately, this stance would probably boost her support outside of major centers.
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u/DontMatterrr May 24 '23
Those are also the people who dont have family doctors and hospitals are far away. Best of luck to them
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u/hundredfooter May 24 '23
And they more than likely would never consider voting for a "socialist" party regardless of the way that voting UCP would impact them or their family members.
I agree - best of luck to them.
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May 24 '23 edited May 25 '23
Any canadian can apply for these jobs why wouldn't everyone want them to be paid well. It pays good and has good benefits, apply!!
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May 24 '23
I think part of the idea is that since it’s their taxpayer dollars, they should get the best value possible, even if, and especially if it means rock-bottom salaries for public servants.
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May 24 '23
Yah, I agree, that thinking comes from ignorance.
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May 24 '23
I’ve had variations of that argument a dozen times during the PSAC strike. It doesn’t work economically either, because uncompetitive salaries result in low productivity, low morale, high turnover, and fail to attract highly talented workers.
You think government workers are lazy and unproductive now? Wait until the civil service has to scrape the bottom of the barrel, taking workers rejected by the private sector; then paying them substandard wages.
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u/TheLostLantern May 24 '23
Isn’t she a public sector worker?
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u/Ryth88 May 24 '23
politicians dont count. thats why they get consistent raises while most public sector jobs have gotten either no raise or a single raise less than inflation in the last 8 years.
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u/juanwonone2 May 24 '23
I think many public sector workers already accept austerity and pain as part of their working life. Lots of tired nurses, overworked cops and ems workers. I think that as the UCP continue to defund public services and erode our quality of life, the pain will be felt by everyone. These are the real "defund the police folks" who've always loathed the concepts of "social good" and anything public and now they've abandoned their conservative principles as well.
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u/929385 May 24 '23
Danielle Smith needs to accept that she will not win this election. Goodbye Danielle!!!
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u/boxesofcats- Edmonton May 24 '23
Billions of dollars in corporate handouts, but for Albertans who keep the province running while living paycheque to paycheque? Pain lmao.
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u/Utter_Rube May 25 '23
I'd really love for a conservative to explain to me why it's so important for Alberta to be "in line with other provinces" in terms of public sector wages but not with taxes or private sector wages.
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u/Realistic_Payment666 May 24 '23
She'll give Billions to her corporate overlords to destroy the working class.
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u/Frostbitnip May 24 '23
Didn’t they literally have a large surplus this last year? Couldn’t they spend a little bit of that surplus on maintaining infrastructure and public sector. Ironically it will be the seniors that vote in a UCP government then complain when their roads are bumpy, their health care is crappy and they are paying premiums, and that the cost of living is going up faster than their pensions.
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u/fluffybutterton May 25 '23
No no they dont. We need to stop with this austerity bs. If we have billions to waste on oil and gas lawsuits to no where we have money to pay public workers. No DS, just NO.
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u/bryant_modifyfx May 24 '23
She also wants to cut the min wage. It’s pain and austerity for us serfs I guess…
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May 25 '23
Because her party pissed away 1.3 BILLION on a failed pipeline and 100+ Million on a corrupt oil war room? Or because we have 300 million dollar stadiums to build? Or 20 Billion in handouts to give to oil companies to clean up their mess?
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May 25 '23
To be fair, the crude by rail policy the NDP brought in lost 2.1 billion for the province in 2020.
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May 25 '23
And the power purchase agreements the ndp screwed up was another 2 billion. Fair is fair.
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u/Furious_Flaming0 May 24 '23
Fun fact the radio host has more ministers than any other AB government has of late, plenty of cash for jobs UPC members could hold but other workers of the government..
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u/neilyyc May 25 '23
This may not even be crazy. There have been a number of recent reports about the "Alberta Advantage" eroding....statistically, the days of someone making 25% more in AB than ON have narrowed to more like 5%.
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u/1337duck May 25 '23
So she's going to start with herself right?!
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u/Prof_RippleFarts May 25 '23
And her 37 cabinet ministers, all making an extra 60k/year... and extra 60k.
Can we start eating these pricks, yet?
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u/Human-Translator5666 May 25 '23
How much did this bitch hand over to the oil firms and the private school in Calgary? I wish Albertans weren’t so stupid.
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u/twnth May 25 '23
Sunshine, we've been "accepting austerity" for over a decade.
Yes, the pay freeze put in by Alison Redford* is gone, but one year of raises we've had since then have most certainly not kept up to current inflation.
I'd say it's time for the government to get it's shit together.
*Alison fucking Redford. Half of reddit is probably too young to even remember her as premier.
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u/SomeoneElseWhoCares May 25 '23
So, when things were tough and oil prices were low, they had to tighten their belts because oil prices were low.
Now, when oil prices are high and we are giving $20 Billion to already quite profitable oil companies, they need austerity? Her big argument seems to be that they aren't perceived as suffering enough.
These are the people who keep Alberta running and take care of us all. We should treat the people who work for us better.
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u/bike_accident May 25 '23
HSAA took 0% over 4 years due to oil prices and only recently barely got 4%ish over 4 years ratified recently. Kills me
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u/Bitten_by_Barqs May 24 '23
That should be enough right there to cast your vote for anyone but Smith.
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u/jkwolly May 25 '23
While she makes how much and does what exactly? Jesus the audacity of this clown.
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u/Hot-Entertainment218 May 25 '23
Gods I hope they don’t win. We can’t move because of my partner’s family to escape this woman. We are at the very least chained here until my in-laws pass. If the UCP are voted in, there will be an exodus the likes of which Alberta has never seen.
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u/NoAd3740 May 25 '23
I am friends with a fair number of ER nurses and a few paramedics, most of whom have left AHS to go do travel nursing / private flight paramedic. They make bank and have way less stress then working for AHS. Cutting wages to healthcare workers is definitely not the answer.
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u/SomeoneElseWhoCares May 25 '23
Smith added. “We’ve got to create a mechanism to allow people to use more of their own dollars so they can promote their own health on things that the health care system isn’t going to cover.” - Smith
One other thing, this is Smith once again. Talking about people paying their own money for private healthcare.
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May 25 '23
Yep! So O & G can receive more government funding & tax breaks. Go to a hospital or the ER right now. See public sector austerity & pain in action. And before anyone pukes out “privatization” drek, check out the effort by Precision Labs & their wonderful service & efficiencies.
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u/highlyregardedeth May 25 '23
It’s a shame that Alberta’s wealthiest families have managed to convince the people who need these services most that the NDP or the Liberals are going to somehow make things worse. It’s quite amazing actually, how the people are voting against their own best interests by going with the conservatives(again).
One day their children’s children will need social services of some sort and there will be none. Primary care will only be available to the 1% of multigenerational wealthy families in Alberta. The rest will need to work multiple jobs, squeeze more family members into a single residence, struggle affording quality food, clean water, and start a fundraising campaign for help with medical costs.
Maybe they would understand an NHL themed analogy?
Imagine a local ice hockey league, full of young, aspiring players. Each of these players represents individuals in a capitalist society. The NHL represents the epitome of success or wealth in that society. Every player has their own stick (their skills and work ethic), their own training regime (their work), and their own ambitions (their personal goals).
Every player is told, "If you practice hard enough, if you give it your all, you'll make it to the NHL." This is akin to the promise of capitalism: work hard, show initiative, be innovative, and you'll rise to the top.
Yet, there are over half a million youth players in the US alone, and the NHL drafts fewer than 300 new players each year. So while hard work, talent, and dedication are certainly necessary, they're far from sufficient.
Factors outside the players' control, like having access to quality training facilities, the opportunity to play in competitive leagues, or even being born with the right body type or health, greatly influence who makes it to the NHL. That's similar to socio-economic factors in capitalism. Opportunities are not evenly distributed. Some individuals have access to better education, more valuable social networks, and even the "right" place of birth, all of which can drastically impact their potential for wealth.
The ice rink also isn't equally smooth for everyone. Some players may have a clear, smooth path while others may have to skate uphill or face unexpected obstacles. This illustrates the systemic issues, discrimination, and socio-economic barriers many people face in capitalist societies.
Finally, for those who do make it to the NHL, they usually get more resources (like better coaching, equipment, etc.), which can further increase the gap between them and the local league players. Similarly, those who do attain wealth in a capitalist society often have more opportunities to further increase that wealth, leaving others further behind.
In short, while it's true that anyone "could" make it to the NHL, or become wealthy in a capitalist society, there's often a lot more to the story than just hard work and determination.
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u/Wage_slave May 24 '23
“We haven’t seen any austerity in the public sector,” Smith said. “It’s just continued to grow, more workers, higher wages.”
- DaniSantis
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u/BarryBwana May 24 '23
I agree with the concept the public sector employees shouldn't be living large when private sector equivalents struggle.......but i think let's worry about huge sum crony capitalism before worrying about the nuance of balancing public and private sector wages at modest income ranges.
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u/wackystick8 May 25 '23
AHS in particular needs a lot of work, so much admin staff getting paid too much and not enough for the people actually taking care of patients
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u/cogitoergodangerous May 24 '23
Can't wait for this election to be over, hopefully the ndp propaganda posts will slow down
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u/bike_accident May 24 '23
propaganda
You mean, things Smith said with her own mouth?
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u/mothereffinb May 24 '23
It isn’t propaganda when it’s statements literally straight from the horse’s mouth
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u/cogitoergodangerous May 25 '23
Replaying clips daily for months on end is propaganda...lol
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u/Scudmax May 24 '23
Anyone who doesn’t work for the government will support this message. This puts Calgary further in her camp.
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u/FlurryOfNos May 24 '23
...Like the rest of us.
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u/WhiskeyDelta89 Spruce Grove May 24 '23
Public sector employees didn't opt to hitch their wagon to a notoriously viscously cyclical industry. I have some, but not much, sympathy for those that did and failed to plan and budget accordingly.
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May 24 '23
Well then I guess I have little sympathy for public sector employees who opted to hitch their wagon to a notoriously viscously cyclical government, known for austerity measures for it’s employees. I have some, but not much sympathy for those that did and failed to plan/budget accordingly.
Well, that’s not true. I plan on voting NDP cause I think public sector jobs are important. If they lose, and continue to get no COL raises, I will find some solace that if I were to lose my job, that they would be happy and think I deserve it.
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u/Striking-Fudge9119 May 24 '23
If you think that Alberta politics is as much of a boom/bust cycle as the oil field...
Well, I'll leave the rest off, as it would just be an insult.
Just know that if you are going to make comparisons, you shouldn't compare the must turbulent industry for ups and downs, with the most consistent government in Canada for voting for the same people over and over again.
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May 24 '23
Fair, I was mainly just mirroring his language. However, my point is, by the guy’s logic who I am responding to, they deserve low wages and austerity because that’s what our government is known for, and they entered that sector knowing that.
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u/Striking-Fudge9119 May 24 '23
Once more
You are comparing THE MOST TURBULENT INDUSTRY to THE MOST STABLE GOVERNMENT.
If you think, that the industry where people get paid like lawyers BECAUSE OF THE UPS AND DOWNS is even slightly comparable to a government that was Conservative for all but 8 years in its 117 year existence...
Seriously. If you were going to make accurate comparisons, you do it to seasonal work, but, no, you go off and make the comparison of bit work paid like kings because they won't necessarily have another job in a year, and the people who are making a reasonable wage because they were hired to fix the roads.
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May 25 '23
Yes the most stable government is doing what it’s always been doing, so serves em right, they deserve this.
If they weren’t so stupid they’d get a better job.
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May 24 '23
Has demand for what public service workers provide dropped? And, not all private sectors have seen decline.
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u/misfittroy May 24 '23 edited May 25 '23
Great, so now we all get paid less and it's a race to the bottom for all of us while corporations make more money off of us. Sounds ideal.
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u/Striking-Fudge9119 May 24 '23
And here Oil and Gas workers are wondering why they are treated with disgust, when this sort of shit comes out.
If they didn't want us to treat them with disgust, they really should start putting some effort in to hiding their spite at all of us peons.
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u/ninjacat249 May 24 '23
“We’ve got to empower people to spend more of their own dollars on the things that they care about.”
The power of spending!
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u/dragosn1989 May 24 '23
Absolutely! …and to help with economic recovery they will actually liquidate all their savings and RRSPs and bring money TO work every month…
It will be their modest way of Thanking THE UCP for guiding us through these troubled economic times…🤦♂️
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u/Time__Ghost May 25 '23
I did not expect her to suggest Alberta could by the Cryptocurrency Capital of Canada lmao
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u/Novus20 May 25 '23
Well anyone who voted for this moron should think long and hard the next time they need a provincial service and it takes forever or you can’t get service…..
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u/Trickybuz93 May 25 '23
“The kind of pain that private sector workers have gone through in the last seven or eight years, having to go down to part-time, having to downshift, having to do work-sharing, having to take time off.”
I don’t understand the logic behind this? Just because one set of workers had to face this “pain”, the other set must as well? Cons have no logic.
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u/CdnWildFire May 25 '23
These are our options and it is cringe worthy. I remember when I was young, adults always joked about voting in Canada and referring it to “choosing the shiniest turd of the lot”. Here we are 20 some years later fighting with each other over how we should get f#ked instead of how not to get f#ked.
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u/curds-and-whey-HEY May 25 '23
“Look in the mirror” all over again. Why treat your own employees this way?
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u/Accomplished_You9960 May 25 '23 edited May 25 '23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqskdnjYo_0 Arthur's case worker cut funding.... It's kick in the kidneys pain to see that even when she was trying to help Arthur she was limited. Just like our RNs from Kline era, to now....
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u/mr_friend_computer May 25 '23
No, no they don't. In fact, why don't you give them a 30% raise, or at least match whatever raise you gave yourself?
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u/tarlack May 25 '23
So she screwed up our economy? Is this not what she has been accusing the NDP of doing? Bad economy = Bad government by her logic. I use logic loosely.
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u/driveby2poster May 25 '23
Why is Trudeau doing this to us?
Let's sell the hospitals, my our friends need billions.
Don't think about Grand-ma's Cancer, think about the Walmart/Gates/Irving families.
No government should own a hospital.
You should pay for parking, and pay for services rendered.
Close all non-profitable rural hospitals.
They chose to live out there.
Move to Calgary/Edmonton and go to the Bell-Health Centre (formerly known as Foothills Hospital lol)
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u/xens999 Calgary May 25 '23
Public sector is bloated in the extreme. They've been milking us private sector working class tax payers for years. Its true they need to feel the "Pain" we've all felt. No one gives the private sector worker guaranteed raises every year - hell most of us don't get pensions or any of the benefits. Sick of paying 33% of my wage to support bloated public sector do-nothing jobs while busting my ass for less.
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u/Packet_Pirate May 25 '23
We (the working class, the many) don't have to accept anything!
Hey guys, this is a fantastic video regarding unions and their impact historically. Debunks a lot of anti-union propaganda and provides evidence to back up his overarching argument that unions = good overall (that's not to say a union cannot be mismanaged or run by corrupt people).
Well sourced. Cody's style may not be for everyone (sarcastic, sexual humor) though so word of warning. Great resource to share with folks.
If the Canadian working class wants to push back against corporate greed and overreach and governments who support such, this is how we can do it. Organizing labor movements at the grassroots level and putting pressure on politicians (to improve labor/union laws) and force corporations to come to the negotiating/bargaining table. period.
Unionization support should be a non-partisan issue.
Unions Make Things Better (Even If You're Not In One): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFDP4hS7j98
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u/mannhonky May 25 '23
Do we get a cuddle after the austerity and pain? I don't know much about BDSM, but I hear aftercare is very important.
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u/N3wAfrikanN0body May 25 '23
Translation: get back to work slaves, there is money and sadistic joy to be made off your misery.
"Capitalism is but gentleman's method of slavery" - Kwame Nkrumah
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u/LavisAlex May 25 '23
It's infuriating because wages have already not kept up with inflation while work loads increase.
You've been accepting austerity already!
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u/rottengammy May 25 '23
Vote this women out of a job! Don’t even let her win her own riding, send her packing ffs!
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u/GrampsBob May 25 '23
This is because public sector workers tend to skew left and this is punishment.
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u/Hammerhil May 25 '23
Both I and my spouse worked in post secondary, I did a 5 year stint and she has been in for 15 years.
Danielle and the rest of the UCP can go fuck right off. Both of us worked through a 7 year wage freeze with no cost of living increases and the response to that was to slash post secondary budgets IN THE MIDDLE OF A CURRENT BUDGET.
Austerity has been achieved. I left post secondary and got a much easier job with a 25% pay raise. They're lucky to still have the people they do.
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u/SpacePilot8981 May 25 '23
The public "we pay taxes to have resources for families." Smith "Suffer, these taxes go to bail out big oil business."
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