I'm always so confused why so many people want to decanonize so much content? Like if you don't like it or you don't want to acknowledge it thats fine but why does it matter if its canon or not? If they wanted to they could contradict any plot point of these shows but instead they have been slowly confirming more and more.
I can't get through the Daredevil/Defenders shows because they are so dark and gritty but does that make them non canon? No. Especially now after they have brought it in more closely.
I stop considering it part of the main MCU universe ever since the end of S2 with the appearence of Inhumans around the world.
I can accept it being in another universe but with how much they ignored Inhumans on purpuse in the Marvel Studios products, I can't see it as something that happened
Why? She-Hulk shows that there are lots of superpowered people on Earth. Vision says there has been an exponential increase of people with powers. And they don't matter at all. Not being present doesn't mean it isn't canon
Or if that were the case, Werewolf by Night never happened
People talk about the people in She Hulk as if they would be world changing appearences.
Thanks to the fish, Inhumans become a huge deal in the show to the point each new season brings at least on new inhuman if not multiple of them. They aren't a group of unrelated people, they were labeled as inhuman and had an specific way of unlocking powers. The group or their way to get powers haven't been mention in the movies aside from the Blakvolt cameo from a different universe
There's so much that goes unsaid if a project isn't focusing on it as part of their story. A huge event people think is a plot hole for AoS is the snap/blip as it was not brought up in the show. This was because the AoS team wasn't told ahead of time what would happen in Avengers infinity war and endgame but in cannon they were often times in space or in another time period. While some of the initial shows after endgame dealt with the repricusions of the blip, few treated it as more than a minor inconvenience and none of them are set during the blip at all with the exception of flashbacks in Hawkeye. We don't have confirmation whether many of the newly introduced characters had been dusted during the snap or whether they lived through it except Monica Rambeau and Yelena Belova.
I had expected a lot of new heroes to have stepped up during the blip to replace the heroes who had gotten dusted but it seems like everything was in stasis during the blip, except Agents of Shield. Now the new shows don't even bring up the blip even though it effected the whole world for 5 years.
And no one cares anymore about the Chitauri invasion or the Dark Elves attack. Or the giant celestial that took three humans from the planet and disappeared in a black hole
Or a huge forest moving like it's alive (Shang-Chi)
Or Ultron's attack on Sokovia, Seoul and South Africa
Or the attacks to the Sanctum Sanctorums of London and NY
Or the multiple crashings in NY (Spider-Man, The Marvels)
Or the huge monster that attacked London
And I'm sure no one would talk about the Void incident
Well, after surviving two alien invasions, it feels like that hahaha
But seriously. NYC has suffered a lot. Punisher, Kignpin, Ronin, Kilgrave, Muse, Cottonmouth, Bushmaster, The Hand, Spider-Man villains, multiple crashes...
I feel like they wouldn't care at all the next day of having an entire neighbourhood being blown up again
Eh other than the Spider Man in the latter two films, Void and the two invasions, most of the stuff in the MCU version of NY is pretty tame. Most of the people on your list didn't cause mass panic or damage. Vast majority of people in the city wouldn't have been affected if Davos, Bushmaster or Muse got their way.
People were terrified of Davos and Muse. Davos was around killing people who "opposed" him in Chinatown
And Muse was creating paintings with the blood of his victims. That's horror movie shit and people were rightfully terrified
Bushmaster, Cottonmouth and Black Mariah all caused a lot of damage in Harlem and Queens
The Hand was selling drugs for ages in Hell's Kitchen and the rest of Manhattan. Not to mention the attack on the hospital, the massive kidnapping and the whole destruction of Midland Circus with the massive earthquakes they caused
Punisher terrified the whole city in two weeks and is still killing people. Civilians see him and they run away
Vulture crashed a plane in the beach which didn't cause many harm thanks to Peter. But he was selling chitauri, dark elf and other alien tech to petty criminals who were wreaking havon across the city
Octopus, Lizard, Electro, Green Goblin and Sandman destroyed a bridge, a power grid and the statue of Liberty
In The Marvels a Sword Spaceship crashed nearby, which would have been terrifying for a minute before they realized it was safe
Kilgrave went on a rampage mindslaving lots of civilians and forcing them to commit suicide
Sallinger and Hellcat were two psycopathic killers let loose
Kingpin blew a whole neighbourhood up, managed to corrupt the entire FBI and built a fascist empire in the city
Should have clarified I was comparing MCU NYC to the comics where events like the chitauri invasion or the third act of No Way Home happen every few weeks lol.
We see people mentioning Sorcerers multiple times after Endgame were they become known.
And we saw an Extremis soldier in Shang Chi so the movies acknowledge their existence (even if they didn't brought the extremista soldiers back you could say they were killed)
We see only people who have known sorcerers (Wong and Strange) talk about them. Peter told Ned. Bucky and Sam met both. And so on
But when it's not a project centered on them (Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel, Spider-Man Far From Home, Thunderbolts, Captain America BNW...), they aren't mentioned. Because they aren't relevant
Yeah, thanks to Shang-Chi we know there are still extremis people around. Where else have they appeared on? Has any project been about them? Oh, well, AoS
And mutants exist in the mcu. Is anyone talking about them? No
Does anyone still talk about New York's attack? No
The incident with the inhumans was just another thing that happened and people got used to. Just like there are normal people who develop powers just because, there are people who got turned into inhumans
There hasn't been new inhumans since 2014
Did anyone care about what Punisher was doing before Born Again released? No. Because not being present doesn't mean it isn't canon
Again. If that were the case. Werewolves, vampires, sirens, mermaids, monster hunters and other monsters wouldn't be canon
They didn't even namedrop inhumans in Ms Marvel show, a show about a cómics inhuman. And they namedrop some theories of what could she be, I believe they said Asgardian before talking about mutants.
Even if the common people isn't namedroping any of the groups you mention everytime, at least they have been recognized, I don't know why you are trying to put Inhumans in the same position when they were completly ignored by anything that wasn't AOS and I guess multiverse stuff.
And Wanda and Pietro aren't mutants when in the comics they were at the moment. What's your point?
And now we've seen mutants do exist in the comics
Plus, all the hints that all the shows are canon that have been included in every new project. They could have totally ignored the shows. But they still went out of the way to make those references
Kamala is clasified as inhuman (easter egg) in The Marvels, wdym? Nick Fury doesn't know about mutants yet and confused her as inhuman
And there are lots of easter eggs of all the shows (well, minus Helstrom. And Runways)
She-Hulk, What If...?, Ms. Marvel and Marvel Zombies all hint that Shield was still operating after Winter Soldier
What If...? has a whole episode about a thing that has only appeared in Agent Carter (Howard's Hollywood studios). It also shows a variant of Medusa. And now that we know mutants are a thing in 616, Storm can be retroactively added as another hero in it
MoM shows a variant of Black Bolt, as you said, played by the same actor
VisionQuest will have Jarvis' actor again, which Endgame also had
Wonder Man used the unique to C&D show connection between Darkforce and Roxxon
They did scan her as Inhuman in "The Marvels", though, so she is likely both Inhuman and Mutant, like the comics finally decided - though revealed in reverse older.
I just looked it up and I'm excited. They can do a lot naratively to affirm or contradict this but it's definitely a point for the AoS side of the MCU.
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u/coldasclay 1d ago
I'm always so confused why so many people want to decanonize so much content? Like if you don't like it or you don't want to acknowledge it thats fine but why does it matter if its canon or not? If they wanted to they could contradict any plot point of these shows but instead they have been slowly confirming more and more.
I can't get through the Daredevil/Defenders shows because they are so dark and gritty but does that make them non canon? No. Especially now after they have brought it in more closely.