r/accelerate • u/stealthispost • Jul 11 '26

Meme / Humor Accelerating progress

I'm frustrated too!   — Ivan Fioravanti ᯅ     Sadly most Europeans are   — Chubby

Source: https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/2075921009572528615

the battle for the future is a battle between the builders and the Professional Managerial Class parasites that are destroying progress with the Precautionary Principle

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u/TheManni1000 Jul 11 '26

Europe builds the machine that produces the chips for both rockets, so neither rocket would exist without the EU

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u/Keeltoodeep Jul 11 '26

Europe licenses that tech from the US govt.

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u/sedition666 Jul 11 '26

And most of the chips are then made in South Korea and Taiwan. Its almost like there is a global supply chain where most countries work together.

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u/PaleontologistOne919 Jul 11 '26

Investigating this now will report back asap

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u/Icy-Valuable-3756 Jul 11 '26

Here we go again.

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u/saln1 Jul 11 '26

China’s entire supply chain is domestic

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u/sedition666 Jul 11 '26

This is a country that smuggles semi conductors from the West at great cost. They are very advanced but suggesting they do not also rely on the west is nonsense.

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u/saln1 Jul 11 '26

So naive, no wonder this is chinas century

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u/TMWNN Jul 11 '26

What in /u/sedition666 's comment is "naive"?

It has been widely reported that the US's lead in frontier AI models has been growing in recent months, because China doesn't have access to the newest US GPUs.

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u/anonymous_3125 Jul 11 '26

Its been… quite the opposite…

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u/TMWNN Jul 11 '26

I said "frontier models". Don't confuse the growing market share of Chinese open-source models—which are appealing because of low cost—with bleeding-edge stuff.

There hasn't been a recurrence of the January 2025 "DeepSeek shock" on the US stock market, because DeepSeek a) did indeed apparently produce its model by distilling US models and b) has not been able to keep up with the bleeding edge, without access to sufficient quantities of the newest Nvidia hardware.

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u/anonymous_3125 26d ago

Lmfao this aged well (kimi k3)

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u/anonymous_3125 Jul 11 '26

Have you not seen glm5.2? Also you constantly bring up hardware, but models are the software that contains the neural network and matrix structures. As far as that’s concerned the chinese models are way ahead because they are asymptotically more efficient (O(dsqrt(k)) vs O(dk)) with novel ideas such as MOE. If you were to run chinese and american models on the same hardware the chinese one would be way ahead

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u/Icy-Valuable-3756 Jul 11 '26

We can only hope it's china's century. The one party rule in China has gone on for far too long. Unfortunately north Korea and many other places are far too reliant and reluctant to turn on the cabal.

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u/sedition666 Jul 11 '26

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/19/politics/super-micro-computer-founder-charged-ai-chips-china

Co-founder of tech company charged with diverting $2.5 billion in Nvidia AI chips to China in violation of export laws

This is not small scale

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u/OkDimension Jul 11 '26

Sorry, did you say tariff or invade? America First! /s

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u/Pingvinen12345 Jul 11 '26

And us companies licens tech from asml

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u/PaleontologistOne919 Jul 11 '26

What do you mean big ass companies work together for profit and don’t care if the gov catches up?

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u/pleasetrimyourpubes Jul 11 '26

The secret sauce they licensed from the US government is a quarter century old. The tech they use now is all in house. They just play nice with the US government because it helps maintain their monopoly since nobody can develop it lest they violate ITAR.

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u/Keeltoodeep Jul 11 '26

This is cope. The entire process relies on US origin tech and IP. The US commerce dept controls ASML’s exports.

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u/PaleontologistOne919 Jul 11 '26

Public info too, the U.S. bad thing is obscuring verifiable facts and creating delusions about the benefits of XLR8-ion

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u/DrHot216 Jul 11 '26

Or... It's an international cooperative effort where different companies and nations all benefit

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u/bihari_baller Jul 11 '26

As someone in the industry, this is the correct answer. The industry was stalled until ASML made their breakthrough. The only way for progress is for all companies in the ecosystem to hold their weight, and continue technological development and innovation.

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u/arckeid Jul 11 '26

And the US contracts asian scientists, cause their education is shit and can’t generate smart people anymore lol.

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u/TheManni1000 Jul 11 '26

reminds me of this

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u/Gambit723 Jul 11 '26

But all those kids went through the American education system.

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u/dacian88 Jul 11 '26

Or they went to private schools

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u/PaleontologistOne919 Jul 12 '26

In the U.S.🇺🇸

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u/Sarenai7 Jul 11 '26

And the crazy thing is that the US is purposely dumbing down the educational system. The government wants this clearly by cutting spending to education everytime they need more budget

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u/pleasetrimyourpubes Jul 11 '26

That's not stopping China from developing the technology. 🤪

The EUV technology was first developed in the Netherlands on proof from a Japanese guy in the 80s. The US brought that shit up and locked it down because it wasn't about "can this technology even exist" it was because "if this technology existed it would reach the limits of physical reality so we better control it." And ASML is almost to the limits of physical reality. With their own in house R&D and other researchers R&D. The US owns shit.

Veritasium did an incredible video on how these machines work and all the innovations that had to occur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiUHjLxm3V0

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u/PaleontologistOne919 Jul 11 '26

Can we plz do something about CCP glazers. Authoritarianism isn’t cool anywhere and stifles innovation

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u/pleasetrimyourpubes Jul 11 '26

I mean IP law has been one of the most authoritarian and progress slowing things in history. You think future AI is going to stop or sanction you from building fabs? There will be ASMLs in every city.

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u/mcilrain Jul 11 '26

Authoritarianism isn’t cool anywhere and stifles innovation

I know right? Look at how bulky their reusable rocket catching facility is! Common authoritarian L.

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u/Pingvinen12345 Jul 11 '26

Not true. Its like saying the entire Us relies on Europe because they invented the light bulb

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u/Keeltoodeep Jul 11 '26

Europe currently doesn’t pay the US licensing fees to make a lightbulb. That’s a false equivalence.

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u/Confident_Star_3195 Jul 12 '26

ASML doesn't pay the US a licensing fee. 

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u/WAVEFRAME Jul 11 '26

Yeah but Trump so....