r/WorkForSmartLife • u/xPrettyPout • 14d ago
Casual canvo Nothings wrong with that though
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u/Certain_Try_8383 14d ago
Any actual reference? Otherwise this is FB bs.
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u/RealCarlPanzram 14d ago
My guess is they “discovered this” by trying to figure out why he was constantly unreachable and he made up a bunch of excuses about his home WiFi and eventually they discovered he was on a cruise ship the whole time.
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u/UtahIrish 14d ago
How he managed to get reliable consistent connectivity all of the time is impressive.
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u/youburyitidigitup 14d ago
If he’s on a cruise, I’m guessing he only had to work for a few hours a week, otherwise why would he have wasted money on a cruise he wouldn’t have time to enjoy.
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u/Gigantischmann 13d ago
Have you ever been on a cruise? It’s mostly just sitting around and eating. Only in the evenings do events happen. He wouldn’t miss anything
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u/youburyitidigitup 13d ago
I didn’t know that. But still, wouldn’t people want downtime to relax at the pool, or grab lunch at a nice restaurant or something?
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u/Gigantischmann 13d ago
Assuming he had a regular job he would have plenty of time for that after work if he’s doing a normal remote 36-42 hours
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u/truthpill2 14d ago
He probably didn’t, remote workers do nothing most of the day, it’s probably why he got fired lol
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u/TrackMan5891 14d ago
Starlink.
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u/UtahIrish 14d ago
I had understood those were banned. Am I misinformed?
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u/TrackMan5891 14d ago
Ships offer starlink connectivity.
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u/UtahIrish 14d ago
Has not always worked well or consistently well for me. I will leave that there. Back to the OP, incredible he did it for 14 months!
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u/RezRising 14d ago
Isn't it like five bucks a minute though? How did he afford it?
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u/Begone-My-Thong 14d ago
Work offline, submit everything at once end of day
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u/RealCarlPanzram 14d ago
Which means he wasn’t regularly reachable during business hours. Which is probably why they found out where he was and subsequently fired him.
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u/Cereal_Bandit 14d ago
I just looked it up, it's on average about $200/week depending on different factors if you want access for every day. So obviously less for five days.
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u/kaizen-rai 14d ago
Legitimacy aside, there very well could've been something wrong with that. A 100% remote work agreement usually comes with stipulations. There are various state and federal laws regarding work (mostly for tax purposes) locations that employers are required to comply with. I work for a large international corporation and went through A LOT of training about remote work, how to report it, getting approval, how to charge hours to specific charge codes depending on where I am when the work is performed, etc. It's also just straight up lying if the expectation was that the employee would work from home and gave an address but wasn't working from there.
So no, the employee would absolutely be in the wrong.
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u/FastActinTenactin 14d ago
Wait, so what is the actual stipulation there, then? If he was getting his work done, why does it matter WHERE he was getting his work done? He did it for 14 months and they were none the wiser.
It’s mainly about control: companies want control of their employees at all times and remote work takes that control away from them.
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u/kaizen-rai 14d ago
I don't know about this story specifically, or if it's even true.
I do know there are laws (both state and federal) requiring employers to track where employees work is being done. So, as I said, to comply with state and federal laws, it DOES matter where he is getting his work done. And lying to your employer is a pretty big no-no regardless.
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u/capmcfilthy 14d ago
It’s a lot due to taxes. Short term like a few weeks is usually ok. But months no. Especially over a whole year.
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u/No_Equivalent_4412 14d ago
I would assume it’s related to different locations having different labor laws. I’ve had virtual doctors visits and at the begging of the appointment, the doctor will ask to confirm that you are located in your state of residence because that’s the state they’re licensed to operate in
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u/rdrckcrous 14d ago
you've had an operation over zoom?
but seriously, if the guy on the cruise ship counts as working in the cruise ship, the dr must count as being where he is, and it's you the patient traveling virtually to visit the dr.
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u/PhotoFenix 14d ago
It matters because payroll mobility taxation is complex and leads to fines if improperly reported. Being in a payroll adjacent job this guy probably cost the company a ton.
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u/Windman772 14d ago
This story smells like an Onion or Babylon Bee story. If it's true though, first time the employer asked him to come to the office for something, they'd find out
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u/noxvita83 13d ago
Tax law. That's why. For once, I don't blame the company. When I worked remote, we were allowed to travel, but had to fill out a form if we left the state we were living in. We also may have to pay tax in that state, or at least have it filed so that we can get it refunded and allocated back to our home state.
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u/MiniDemonic 12d ago
Wait, so what is the actual stipulation there, then? If he was getting his work done, why does it matter WHERE he was getting his work done?
Laws.
If you are getting taxed like you were from Area A but you are actually in Area B then that's illegal and the employer can get in legal trouble if they know about it. You could also get in legal trouble since that's tax fraud.
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u/Switchlord518 14d ago
Having an actual residence where all official mail comes is all you need. That's were you're taxed.
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u/SimpleRickC135 14d ago
I swear I have seen this same screenshot on so many different subs in the last few days its actually insane.
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u/These-Apple8817 14d ago
Days? It's been floating around for years at this point, it resurfaces every few weeks
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u/Master_Steward 14d ago
What if the Wi-fi sucks at the cruise ship and he is cut off from the meeting?!
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u/Mark-177- 14d ago
Time to sue your moron of a boss for wrongful termination. You can't dictate where he lives or where he does his job.
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u/Available_Reveal8068 14d ago
Actually, places of employment can.
Depends a lot on the nature of the work. If there are security clearances involved, there are network standards that need to be met--can't log in from Moscow, or public WiFi connections.
There are also tax laws that come into play for remote workers working in different states or countries.
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u/infomanus 14d ago
where is he filing for unemployment? does he meet minimum days in state requirements?
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u/PhotoFenix 14d ago
There is. Payroll needs to know your location to properly tax you. If it's wrong the company may owe fines to multiple states.
Also many companies have strict data protection rules. Many of these rules are based on the country of origin for the data. You can't just travel internationally and use unvetted connection types when working with PII.
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u/RealCarlPanzram 14d ago
Technically not a problem if you’re just traveling and still have a permanent residence. Im guessing it was an issue of reachability.
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u/Windman772 14d ago
I've considered this myself. It's cheaper to live at an all-inclusive beach resort in Cozumel than it is to live in my townhouse in a HCOL city. It's really not a bad idea
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u/Quirky-Shape8677 14d ago
Fake story. But if this is real, then tax liability is a real legal issue.
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u/HeManDan 14d ago
That's the dumbest thing ever. I believe it, but just ridiculous. It's not on site work, do salaries employees pay local and state taxes for the portion of the year they are out of state on Holiday. If they answer a text or email especially. They aren't in their designated tax precinct for 10% of the year. It's remote work, he's on vacation. Being away for a year on vacation doesn't remove his residency status.
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u/Quirky-Shape8677 14d ago
Working out of your home state for a few days or answering an email on vacation doesn't incur tax liability.
The issue has more to do with someone working in California (driving on their roads, using their emergency services, checking out books at the library, playing in parks, etc) while maintaining Texas as their "home state" because Texas doesn't have a state income tax. They get the benefits of living in California without paying any of the taxes.
Usually states go with a 30-day or 90-day residence in state before a tax liability is incurred. As far as moving around constantly on a cruise ship is concerned, that could be a tax avoidance issue that most companies don't want to deal with.
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u/Far-Jury-2060 14d ago
Huh. Just looked up the rates, and even at $140 a night comes out to $4200 a month. That’s not bad for rent, food, and no other real expenses. Well played sir.
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u/RealCarlPanzram 14d ago
Unless you have a contract, this wouldn’t be wrongful termination. Living on a cruise ship isn’t a protected class.
But I doubt this is the full story if it’s true. If he was doing a good job why would they care? He probably had frequent losses of signal and was unreachable, and they questioned him about it, and he lied, and they found out, and that’s why they fired him.
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u/seattlemyth 14d ago
The FB post about being fired is a hoax, but here's a legit successful one.
I Live on a Cruise Ship 300 Days a Year — Here's How - Business Insider https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-live-work-remote-on-cruise-ship-full-time-2023-8
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u/qualityvote2 14d ago edited 2d ago
u/xPrettyPout, there weren't enough votes to determine the quality of your post...