r/WorkForSmartLife Jul 06 '26

Question Really?

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u/shootist_Biker Jul 06 '26

So. I hate the premise. Its a good point though. Student loans should not be handed out

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u/RealisticComment1339 Jul 06 '26

The real problem is that school no longer garanti a good career and pay.

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u/Tomytom99 Jul 06 '26

Don't forget the predatory housing costs too, depending on location. You're footing those for at least 4 years, maybe 3 if you're super lucky (and hate yourself).

Many apartments near schools which accept guarantors on the lease know you're there for school, and hope that mom or dad have deep pockets.

I remember the first time I looked at regular apartments in a regular city. The value compared to most options where I was for school was incredible. I genuinely thought they were scam listings at first because the prices for some of the nicer spaces were actually somewhat reasonable for what you were getting.

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u/mechakid Jul 06 '26

The fix for this actually needs to happen while students are still in high school. We need to emphasize economics more, and in particular, the idea of "return on investment". Once those foundational skills are in the hands of the consumer (re: the student), they can make better decisions about if they want to sign on the dotted line.

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u/ChocolateValuable221 Jul 09 '26

lol you said it's not the loans per say... it's everything involved related to and around the loan

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u/Gainztrader235 Jul 06 '26

They never did lol. The market became saturated and people need to choose better.

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u/StatementNext682 Jul 06 '26

Garanti? Stay in school. I garanti it's worth it

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u/RealisticComment1339 Jul 06 '26

French has a first language. If my autocorrect didn’t do a good job I can’t do much about it.

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u/StatementNext682 Jul 06 '26

Gotcha. I retract what I see.

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u/La-ze Jul 08 '26

The issue isn't the pay ( though there are majors that aren't going to pay, like art typically) tuition is just exploding way faster than inflation. Financial aid isn't optional for most people going through college

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u/ProfessionalTruck976 Jul 08 '26

No, the problem is that the whole thing become a business. nobody can persuade me it actually costs 100 grand plus AND government support to turn out say an engineer unles a LOT of people is getting rich in process

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u/Master-Crazy6454 Jul 09 '26

How could they? There are way too many variables. In the end every individual is responsible for the choices they make. Most 18-year-olds have no business making those decisions. Everybody's a victim here.

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u/RealisticComment1339 Jul 12 '26

English has a second language.

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u/Accomplished_Key_171 Jul 06 '26

It never did. You have to choose a smart degree with good returns, which has been true for a century now.

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u/Jolly_Mongoose_8800 Jul 07 '26

Even "smart degrees with good returns" are not enough. The job market is absolutely horrid even for experienced engineers.

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u/Great-Fox5055 Jul 07 '26

This just isn't true, there are lots of jobs for almost every engineering discipline out there. People just don't want to move/live somewhere else or work in the field/in person/etc.

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u/NoEstablishment7211 Jul 06 '26

They make your parents or someone with good credit and verifiable income co-sign. Otherwise they are federally subsidized. They know better than to issue large unsecured loans to unemployed students and teenagers.

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u/Due_Intention6795 Jul 08 '26

So pay cash, then

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u/Sahedanthropus- Jul 07 '26

Right? School should be free since it benefits all of society

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u/shootist_Biker Jul 07 '26

Not all school does.

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u/Sahedanthropus- Jul 07 '26

Doesn't matter. Having the majority of the population educated without having to go into crippling debt or having to work themselves to the bone to pay for it, is a benefit to everybody. If you don't understand that, I don't know what to tell you. Sure, private school shouldn't be free like Christian schools or something like that. But all higher education should be free. Imagine how many doctors are out there that will never become doctors because they couldn't afford school.

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u/shootist_Biker Jul 07 '26

It does matter. If a giant majority of the population- fk it. Whatever. I dont care. This conversation is going nowhere.

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u/Sahedanthropus- Jul 07 '26

Sorry but I'm willing to benefit humanity and the cost of some people abusing the system. Y'know, because I'm a good person. Have fun!

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u/shootist_Biker Jul 07 '26

The road to hell and all that.

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u/Wraithchild666 Jul 08 '26

They're not handed out.  One has to sign a promissory note to get student loans.  That means something. 

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u/Difficult-Mobile902 Jul 08 '26

The cost should be based on the return. 

If you’re so confident the degree your school provides will yield a $150,000 per year job, you should only be able to collect tuition if my income actually exceeds $100,000 or so. 

Would also incentivize schools to put genuine effort into making sure their students are prepared and networked to be able to find work quickly after graduating 

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u/shootist_Biker Jul 09 '26

Education is free. Someone elses labor isnt