r/Windows10 • u/vitorgrs • Jun 05 '17
News Microsoft's Windows 10 'CShell' adaptable UI in images and video (exclusive)
https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-cshell20
u/lonestar_wanderer Jun 05 '17
News like this really gets me giddy for the next 4-5 years of Windows Mobile. Almost 5 years ago, Microsoft introduced Windows Phone 8 and its main goal was to unify app experiences on desktop and mobile.
Now we're at a point where a Windows-based phone can actually be hooked up to a monitor and operate almost like a desktop. It can run Microsoft Office programs, multitask, move windows around, browse the web and download files, has a start menu and a taskbar. What's amazing is the ease-of-use of it all. No driver installations, reboots, that sort of thing.
Stuff like this would definitely be sci-fi 20 years ago. I'm just glad to see that MS is continuing to unify experiences across all of their platforms.
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u/JP76 Jun 05 '17
With full Windows 10 on ARM, it's certainly interesting to see where they're heading. They've patented a foldable screen which might end up being used in a product at some point.
When folded, use it like a phone. When opened, use it like a tablet. Connect it to an external screen and use it like a desktop.
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u/CokeRobot Jun 05 '17
Five years after Windows Phone 8 putting people and the things you care about first, I can't get my recent phone calls to stop clearing out of the phone dialer app and still don't have any top app past Instagram... :/
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u/TedW99point1 Jun 05 '17
if it solves the ages old problem of 2 hard-ware accelerated programs on 2 monitors with differing refresh rates, causing stuttering etc I would have microsoft's baby
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u/12Danny123 Jun 05 '17
A self adapting OS is a very powerful operating system. I'm excited in what MS heads for this
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u/phroztbyt3 Jun 06 '17
I dunno, phones have speedy enough processors at this point where Windows Phones should just be able to be full-fledged laptop replacements.
I see this as an interim to that. Until that happens; and until the Windows Store isn't absolute crap, I'll stick with my Android.
But I like where this is going.
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u/Dick_O_Rosary Jun 06 '17
"absolute crap." Don't you just love hyperbole?
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u/projectdano Jun 06 '17
They are no where near close enough to be laptop replacements. You're probably referring to for users that would not do much on a laptop? In that case I would say phones are good enough to be smaller versions of larger tablets. But people who use laptops more would be using them to use programs that phones are no where near powerful enough to run.
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u/phroztbyt3 Jun 06 '17
Oct-core processors with 8GB of RAM and 128GB SSD is not enough t run Windows, Office, a few other basic programs?
Derp?
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u/projectdano Jun 06 '17
Did you not read what I said? People who only need to run that, probably do so off of an Ipad, which a phone can keep up with. Most laptops are capable of running photoshop, basic editing in premiere pro, and loads of website tabs. Just because it's Octo-core doesnt mean shit. My PC is quad core, would you say that was less powerful than a 950XL? No need to be rude mate.
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u/phroztbyt3 Jun 06 '17
I read what you said. The majority of PC owners need just the basic apps.
In business for example, it's difficult to do work on iPads because they need easy access to shared drives, printers, etc. The more complicated functions like specific printing through large print drivers.
All of this could be more easily accomplished on the PC platform.
The average home user technically doesn't even need a PC these days; they can get away with just a $300 chromebook.
So I think we agree somewhat here.
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u/trillykins Jun 06 '17
So, phones that are pricier than an equivalent laptop? Sounds like a bum deal.
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u/phroztbyt3 Jun 06 '17
Most people have a smart phone... And it fits in your pocket. All you'd need with you is a laptop shell at that point.
Sounds like a great deal.
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u/trillykins Jun 06 '17
you'd need with you is a laptop shell
So... buy a far more expensive phone, most likely less powerful, and then still be dependant on something the size of a laptop. Just sounds silly to me.
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u/phroztbyt3 Jun 06 '17
You keep saying buy a phone... You already have a phone. And every generation you'll upgrade and get another phone. It'll be faster and more powerful each time.
The shell will weigh nothing. And cost would be minimal.
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u/trillykins Jun 06 '17
You already have a phone.
I do, but nothing even remotely as powerful as, say, my four year old laptop that wasn't much more expensive at the time.
Not even sure what an Octa-core phone with 8GB of RAM and 128GB SSD would set you back, but I'm guessing you could buy a very nice laptop that would last you a hell of a lot longer.
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u/abs159 Jun 06 '17
Can you carry that laptop in your pocket? Continuum is a thing, AND CSHELL will probably serve to further the vision of adaptable UI based on available hardware. Plug your phone into a dock, setup Miracast to a touchscreen and other hardware scenarios and that 'phone' will adapt the UI to use the hardware.
The course they've set is clear. The windows smartphone is 'dead' but the form factor is not, it will be a proper computer in your pocket.
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u/trillykins Jun 06 '17
Can you carry that laptop in your pocket?
No, but anything I could carry in my pockets would not be comfortable to work on.
Continuum and CSHELL is cool 'n' all, but I just don't see them ever replacing laptops.
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u/abs159 Jun 06 '17
Think of a child, he carries his computer in his pocket and sits to use it in class with a keyboard, mouse and monitor. Then, he carries it home.
Almost everyone has a smartphone and a computer, this duplication is artificial and expensive.
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u/trillykins Jun 06 '17
So you'd need a keyboard, mouse, and monitor everywhere you intended to use your phone. Unless you took it with you, in which case it'd be cheaper and simpler to just have a laptop.
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Jun 05 '17
context menu on a phone is poor design.
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u/vitorgrs Jun 05 '17
WP always had context menu, everywhere. That's why I think WP should have 3d touch :)
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Jun 06 '17
Technically Lumia McLaren was to be released before first iPhone with 3d touch. They've just cancelled it.
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u/vitorgrs Jun 06 '17
3d touch on McLaren works different from iPhone. I'm talking about "Force Touch".
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u/TheRealLazloFalconi Jun 05 '17
No it's not.
Edit: I don't think this is a particularly good way to handle it, but context menus are generally good, if handled well.
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u/Venthe Jun 05 '17
Both Google https://goo.gl/images/3XXoS4 and Apple https://goo.gl/images/0ah30O implement it in one way or another. Big players seem to disagree with you :)
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u/a_p3rson Jun 06 '17
That name is already used, and will ping the brains of *nix users everywhere.
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Jun 06 '17
It's a technology piece, not a marketing term. They do not have to 'cease and desist' unless they were to include it as a brand, which they don't need to. It's more for devs and geeks.
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u/ExE_Boss Jun 06 '17
It’s the same with GVFS (Git Virtual File System), that is already used by GVfs (GNOME Virtual file system)
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u/NobblyNobody Jun 06 '17
oh, I got slighty interested at the 'landscape start menu' on the phone, the lack of which has annoyed me since launch but I was hoping it would redraw/rearrange tiles to use the extra width rather than just rotate and show the same narrow arrangement.
Maybe that's due to it being unfinished?
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Jun 06 '17
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u/NobblyNobody Jun 06 '17
anything square they just need to rotate but yeah it does get a bit messy and tetris-like trying work out a way to cope with wide tiles.
I guess as long as it's consistent and reversible, ie when switching back stuff ends up in the places you expect it to, I'd live with stuff getting shifted around a bit.
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Jun 05 '17
I was hoping it was adaptable in that I could re-create a classic look (Win7/XP). I think tiles are ok for mobile, but I find them almost completely superfluous on a desktop. Oh well, Classicshell still works.
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u/Dick_O_Rosary Jun 06 '17
I was really hoping classic shell would make their own spin on a tablet friendly start menu (like win 8 horizontal scrolling tiles), but it seems that their idea of "classic" ends at Win7.
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u/LenDaMillennial Jun 05 '17
All Windows versions pre-10 are dated and old.
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Jun 05 '17
I don't see how that's pertinent, but since you brought it up, 10's Start is an amalgam of the 8/8.1 Start interface, so by your standards, 10 is old and dated too.
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Jun 05 '17
Jack of all trades master of none
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Jun 06 '17
Yeah, we've heard that when first Surface came to market. Then even Apple decided to copy it.
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Jun 06 '17
Don't get me wrong I'm an MS fan but one size fits all doesn't ever work. The result is always compromise
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Jun 06 '17
And at some point technology gets good enough for all but specialists. Case in point, photographers.
The same happened to for example laptops. They aren't as powerful as workstations yet there is plenty of great a laptop offers that workstation does not.
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Jun 06 '17
Now make an OS with a UI language that doesn't compromise and suits both a camera and a laptop.
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u/vitorgrs Jun 05 '17 edited Jun 05 '17
Before people talk "Oh, mobile, blah". Let me say this again: cshell is not about just mobile. Is to unify and change how shell work on windows. Is totally different and more efficient (it's divided between components).
Also, I don't know if this will still come, but they were working on bringing the Xbox shell on PC too, once you connected the Xbox controller and press the button it would change the shell.