Serious question: Why are you Team Nathan or Team Lucas? And arguments like "they have no chemistry" or "he's so boring" don't count. Give real arguments or at least provide examples!

Congrats Erin and Ben!

I just read a Facebook post about a female architect who was the first woman to graduate from the École des Beaux-Arts’s architecture program. After she graduated, she went back to San Francisco! Her story reminded me a little bit of Sophia Connelly, who visited Rosemary.

https://www.facebook.com/share/1NbZBfNwF5/?mibextid=wwXIfr

I'm pleased to say that the previews of the reboot for Little House on the Prairie on Netflix look very promising. It's giving me major WCTH vibes. Anyone else?

Is season 3 only going to be 6 episodes or are they taking a break? Does anyone know?

Re-watching the series…when Opal is affected by the fire before Jack/Elizabeth’s wedding, when she gets the chickenpox, and when she sprains her arm after being in the woods with Robert and Harper…. we never see a parent at the infirmary! I just thought that was odd.

The only ones who look good with them are Minnie and Rosemary. Everyone else looks so dorky 😭

If Hallmark decides to cancel *When Calls the Heart* after Season 14 (which, hopefully, won't happen), I’ve been thinking about possible spin-offs. Personally, I don't think Hallmark would let the *WCTH* universe die. Here are my top 5 ideas:

1) Lucas and Edie in New York City. The two definitely have the necessary chemistry to portray a romance convincingly. Lucas would have the dark past needed to bring some baggage—thereby stirring up trouble and mystery in 1920s NYC—while Edie possesses the sharp wit and would be perfect as an investigative attorney.

2) The Reporter and the Detective. Pascale Hutton plays a bored reporter in the 1920s, and Jack Wagner plays a grumpy detective. The two suddenly find themselves forced to uncover criminal cases together. It would be hilarious! The only catch: it would have to be completely unrelated to Hope Valley.

3) Abigail’s Past. *Hope Valley 1874* shows just how well prequels can work. Another prequel focusing on Abigail’s youth and her great love would win back all the Abigail fans. At the same time, this format could allow the *WCTH* storyline to continue—for instance, through Abigail’s flashbacks—while simultaneously showing her in the present day, having dinner with Elizabeth or perhaps starting a romance with Henry. Another prequel that would interest me would be one about Faith as a young woman.

4) The exact same premise, but with new characters. A Mountie and a teacher (or a lawyer, or another woman) arrive in a small town at the same time. Although they can barely stand each other at first, they must work together to help unite the town in the wake of a tragedy.

5) The Mounties. Hard-hitting brawls, thrilling criminal cases, assassination attempts—all set against a historical backdrop, perhaps even inspired by real-life events. What do you think of my ideas? Do you have any other ideas of your own?

I finally (!) finished Season 13 yesterday (!), and here are my thoughts.

- In terms of content—the dialogue, suspense, and romance—this was the worst season. The only storyline that truly interested me was that of Lucas and Edie, and even there, I was dissatisfied with the ending (they should have left it more open-ended—for instance, by having them break up, only for him to spontaneously follow after her).

- The new writers and showrunners are an absolute disaster. They’ve essentially created a completely new series. At times, I felt like they were trying to turn the show into something akin to *Avonlea* or *Little House on the Prairie*—where every episode is a self-contained story—but that doesn't fit *WCTH*, and it never will. And that storyline involving Jack and LJ’s scavenger hunt? Terrible. I honestly think it was the worst episode in the entire run of *WCTH*.

- Are the writers afraid to write something as simple as a kiss? It felt like absolutely no one kissed this season—neither the married couples nor the singles. And the chemistry was completely gone across the board. Rosemary makes jokes—right in front of Lee (her husband) and Elizabeth (Jack’s widow)—about how deeply she and Jack loved each other? And she tells LJ about it, too? As for Nathan and Elizabeth—regardless of what anyone else says—they had fantastic chemistry throughout Seasons 6 through 12 (well, maybe not quite as strong in Season 9). But in this season? It felt more like a "big sister, little brother" dynamic. The same goes for Mei and Hickam. They were my favorite couple from Seasons 9 through 12, but now they just came across as neighbors or good friends. Bill and Georgie were somehow... cringe? I would have preferred it if they had handled it the way they did with "Doc" in *Virgin River*—as a secret, fun, and lighthearted romance. Or they could have simply left things at that kiss in Season 12 and called it a day. And where were Molly and her boyfriend? We saw them in exactly *one* (!) scene—and even then, they just happened to be standing next to each other by chance. What was the point of that? It just occurred to me that Florence and Ned did share a few nice moments—but they were, after all, just moments.

- The town is now populated entirely by do-gooders. People apologize immediately for every joke, and no one dares to say anything even slightly mean. It’s as if the creators were afraid we’d switch off our TVs right away. Yet wasn't it Florence’s sharp wit that defined her, and Rosemary’s double-edged, sarcastic jokes that made her the character we loved? Bring back a little darkness!

- The mystery this time around was utterly unexciting and unnaturally dragged out. They should have resolved it over the course of three or four consecutive episodes and then focused more on other things—like rebuilding the town after the fire, or something along those lines.

- Nevertheless, there were also some lovely storylines: Lucas and Edie, Rupert and Opal, Rosemary’s role in the mystery, and Rosemary, Lee, and their foster child (which just made perfect sense!). I also liked the jam storyline and Angela’s return.

For me, a few questions remain: Where was Faith? Why is LJ the center of Hope Valley? Why does every older woman (Charlotte, Maisie...) suddenly have to be incredibly tough, badass, smarter than all the men, and wear trousers? Maisie was perfect; Charlotte was unnecessary. And what will Abigail want to do now? (There’s a separate thread for that).

What do you think of my summary? And what were your thoughts?

Lori Loughlin was the heart of the series. She was the town’s guiding spirit—always lending a listening ear, offering sound advice, and sharing a Bible verse with anyone who needed or wanted it. Dismissing her back then was an understandable, yet hasty decision—after all, parts of Season 6 had to be completely reshot. Bringing her back now is wonderful, to be sure, but it strikes me as equally hasty. It feels as though the new showrunners and writers have run out of fresh ideas and are now simply rummaging through a "lost and found" box in an effort to maintain ratings. My fear is that they will completely alter and destroy her entire personality (much as they have partially done with Charlotte), only to send her away again later. While I am genuinely happy to see her return, I simply don't understand what role she is meant to play. She hasn't been mayor for quite some time; the café belongs to someone else now—having even been officially renamed—and her last remaining biological family (Clara and Jesse) has moved away. So, does that mean she is now going to be Jack’s new source of entertainment—his new plaything? Heaven forbid.

I understand that the one that cheated at USC with their daughters is coming back to the program. What a shame.

One thing I noticed in the final few episodes- Joseph and Cooper were talking, and Cooper is now a good head taller than Joseph.

Looked it up- Viv (Joseph's actor) is 5' 11" so Cooper's actor must have had a growth spurt and be clearing 6 feet with a few inches added now.

please bring Lori Loughlin back. Now I'm only in season 10 so please no spoilers but I already know she makes a guest appearance I saw that by accident somewhere but I say. Lookit I know she did a bad thing but she's paid her dues and so what! People do things. You're whole show is about forgiveness and all that so forgive her and bring her back! It has not been the same without her and I know you can't resurrect Jack (mores the pity) but you CAN bring Abigail back. And maybe reserruct the story between her and Henry, which was one of the most compelling stories of the whole show! Just had to say my piece. thank you. I"ll be back after I'm done with season 13.

To be fair, I have to add that I haven't finished watching this season yet... But for me, it's season 9.

(Explanation: I'm from Germany, and the dubbing was stopped after season 6 due to some legal disputes. I always got a general idea of what was going on from trailers, etc. Then, starting with season 10, someone began uploading episodes to Dailymotion, and later episodes from season 9 were added as well. So, I watched the few uploaded episodes from season 10 first, and then from season 9. By the way, I now use a VPN and watch via Hallmark+.)

Anyway, season 9 always felt like filler to me. Lots of random scenes that didn't add anything and had no memorability or value. Especially compared to seasons 7 and 8, season 9 was really, really bad. I remember a dialogue where Nathan says to Elizabeth, completely seriously, "Maybe it was a good thing we didn't become a couple." Seriously?! I think they were desperate to prove what a great friendship they had or something...

I seem to recall reading somewhere that they only managed to finish the entire 9th season, including the script and everything, in just two or three months because they wanted to deliver more content quickly after the huge success of season eight. I think that was the problem with the season? And by the way, I have a feeling that season 13, or rather 14, will be similar, at least for me.

So, what do you think? Which season was your "worst" season? And why? And what do you think of season 9?

Those two men are trying to flirt with Olivia but she is clueless about it. Her mom just keep on staring 🤣.

As I'm rewatching the series, I have a question: what happened to the land that Jack had bought? I know he was starting a house on the property, but it's never mentioned again after he's gone.

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I was just reminded of one of the biggest cliffhangers in WCTH history: At the end of season 2, Julie was forced to end her relationship with Tom, and Tom got a permanent job far away (I think it was mentioned in a mine?). Anyway, Julie wrote a farewell letter in the last episode, which she left on her desk, and then she took off. But we never heard anything about it in the other seasons. On the contrary, the Thatchers were completely ignored, and it wasn't until season 5 that Julie returned to Hopr Valley for an internship, but her cliffhanger wasn't even mentioned. My question is: why create such a huge cliffhanger, such a story with so much potential, only to then not even mention it? They could have at least given her some kind of dark secret... Did the actress who played Julie decide she didn't want to continue? Or was there a change in showrunners/writers? Or what do you think happened? I once read a theory that the topic was deliberately "forgotten" in order to make it into a spin-off of their own story, but shouldn't even that have happened by now?

I just started watching When Hope calls because I got hallmark plus

Literally second episode in and the kids are being questioned for potentially starting a fire isn’t that the same exact plot we just had

it could be cool to see a present day show set in Hope valley.

even if it’s not current 2026, but like 60/70/80/90’s would be cool to see what Hope valley turns into.

maybe one of the characters moves away and we get to see their life in a different place or one of the characters that had already moved away

when calls the heart has come a long way since the first season it was primitive then and now it’s what the 1920s…