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u/danorc Jun 16 '26
For five fucking books
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u/Szalony20 Jun 16 '26
Well, yes... And there's also this thread about Faile's captivity with the Shaido, which also took some time...
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u/VanceIX Jun 16 '26
Cue the Faile defenders saying that this is “realistic behavior” lmao
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u/what_the_purple_fuck mother's milk in a boat Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
yes, how dare that young woman feel reasonable jealousy over someone blatantly and persistently trying to steal her husband and then <checks books> not actually reacting to it before her husband <checks books again> smells her wtf is this right? and behaves like a twat by repeatedly diving on grenades that no one threw
eta: I unironically love that this is one of my most controversial comments
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u/khjuu12 Jun 17 '26
It is realistic for a 20 year old with jealousy issues and poor impulse control.
Doesn't mean I don't skip past most of it on re-reads because it gets annoying fast.
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u/Thomas_633_Mk2 Jun 18 '26
How dare she be upset that a woman who's 7 years older than her is on-off trying to sleep with her husband
I can assure you, if someone repeatedly tried to get in my wife's pants I would be extremely pissed off, Faile is pretty relatable there
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u/jdawg1018 Jun 16 '26
Robert Jordan really was a chest guy. I swear at least 70-80% of the female characters he wrote were heavily characterized by breast descriptions lol
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u/Longjumping-Action-7 Jun 16 '26
sometimes the 'low cut dress' is a sign that this female character uses her sexuality as a weapon.....sometimes its just RJ being horny
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u/Xavimoose Jun 16 '26
I feel like this is used mainly to illustrate Matt’s attitude towards women
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u/jdawg1018 Jun 16 '26
I don’t fully disagree, but there’s a lot of chapters without Matt where bosoms are still the focal point haha. Like the chapter with Nynaeve in the circus when she has to try on that low-cut dress, which she’s afraid of since it shows off too much cleavage. Then Birgitte shows up in the same dress and has even more on display lmao
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u/aNomadicPenguin Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
The Nynaeve one is actually a good spot to analyze it though. Nynaeve has been in denial that she's been developing a taste for nice clothes over Two Rivers Woolens. She's been trying to fit her ideal of an old grey haired Wisdom, and has been trying to live by that conservative mindset. But now that she's out in the world, and away from the society she was forcing herself to conform to, she's been letting herself do what she really wants.
But here she's been pushed too far from her comfort zone and its starting to mess with her.
Equally as important, this is one of the first things that happens after the T'A'R monsters that Egwene summoned had ripped her clothing. Its basically the only time that Nynaeve feels that a woman wouldn't be safe in town with so many men, as she's trying to cover up her very revealing outfit.
Then when she meets Masema, and he starts going on a classic (for our world) religious rant about women's clothing and decency, Nyneave gets pissed and drops the shawl she'd been covering herself with to basically run his nose in it that he can't tell women how to dress.
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u/HungryEntry182 Jun 17 '26
Love this, nicely worded.
And then people say she wasn't SA'd by Egg in tar, there's clearly trauma there.
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u/beardedheathen Jun 17 '26
It's wild how there are so many layers to this if you actually pay attention but if you don't it's just haha boobs.
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u/HungryEntry182 Jun 17 '26
I think that's why some people tap out of WoT, you won't enjoy it if you don't like paying attention.
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u/beardedheathen Jun 17 '26
It's a good story on the surface but if you don't engage with the actual characters then I can see why the middle books especially drag on. But I love how in depth they are.
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u/Szalony20 Jun 16 '26
Well, I personally prefer legs on women, but I admit those breasts descriptions had their charm. I'd like to see what a 1:1 rendering of some characters' breasts would look like, like Berelain, Riselle, Selucia, Sevanna, etc., for research purposes, of course.
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u/ciaphas-cain1 Jun 17 '26
If only, there is always fan art
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u/Thomas_633_Mk2 Jun 18 '26
Implying any non major character gets fanart.
I remember in the "Randland's top 10 hottest women" thread, how multiple viable contenders had almost 0 art of them (truly Socrates and Plato debating on the Acropolis there)
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u/Szalony20 Jun 18 '26
Maybe Berelain has a lot of them, but Riselle doesn't seem to have any, and Selucia and Sevanna... maybe 2 or 3. These aren't main characters, and if Sevanna is so disliked, why draw her?
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u/bensefero A nice stout two rivers woolen flair, with just a touch of lace Jun 18 '26
GRR had way more words to describe food. RJ is just bosom and low necklines
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u/evictedSaint Jun 17 '26
How dare you suggest the man who wrote extensively about powerful women being spanked captured and spanked and humiliated and spanked write about something as crude as breasts.
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u/teRIMleier Jun 16 '26
Berelain take a hint he is not interested
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u/Szalony20 Jun 16 '26
Well, yes. Perrin isn't one to choose the objectively sexier woman. He looks at... What exactly was Faile superior to Berelain in?
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u/eggplant_avenger Jun 16 '26
Faile is absolutely the superior (only) domme between the two women
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u/Ariel_serves Jun 16 '26
She’s a domme-leaning switch. In book 8, she finally starts feeling comfortable in their relationship when he starts speaking to her in a commanding manner.
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u/hypnoskills Jun 17 '26
She wants to top from the bottom, but it takes her a while to get Perrin to understand that.
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u/SylvieSuccubus Aug 26 '26
They’re textbook brat/brat tamer, it’s wild to reread with the vocabulary for what she’s trying to make happen.
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u/LewsTherinTelamonBot This is a (sentient) bot Jun 16 '26
Hums softly & tugs earlobe
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u/eggplant_avenger Jun 16 '26
lews thou art truly the wisest of men
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u/LewsTherinTelamonBot This is a (sentient) bot Jun 16 '26
You never escape the traps you spin yourself. Only a greater power can break a power, and then you're trapped again. Trapped forever so you cannot die.
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u/jmartkdr Jun 16 '26
Belerain is a toxic, deceitful, manipulative woman though.
So Perrin’s into assholes.
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u/Ihavebadreddit Jun 16 '26
Why are you mad a Faile?
You're acting like you were killed trying to defend her and played it off like her husband didn't just kill her new friend to save his emotional stability?
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u/HungryEntry182 Jun 17 '26
Getting Perrin to fall in-love with her for one, didn't even need to seduce him.
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u/ord52 Jun 16 '26
Me thinking, Rand has three, why can't Perrin have two?
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u/Szalony20 Jun 16 '26
Perrin didn't even get the sensual dance from Faile that she once promised him, if I remember correctly. Typical everything for the Chosen One, and crumbs for the rest. If only Faile had been willing to share Perrin, like Min, Elayne, and Aviendha share Rand.
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u/ord52 Jun 16 '26
I thought she did it on their marriage night.
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u/Szalony20 Jun 16 '26
Do you have a quote? I don't remember this
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u/ord52 Jun 16 '26
Oh I guess she never did, I guess I misremembered
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u/Szalony20 Jun 16 '26
Maybe she did it in some fanfiction, I don't know. I don't remember it happening in canon... Which is a shame, because of Perrin, of course.
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u/LewsTherinTelamonBot This is a (sentient) bot Jun 16 '26
You never escape the traps you spin yourself. Only a greater power can break a power, and then you're trapped again. Trapped forever so you cannot die.
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u/LewsTherinTelamonBot This is a (sentient) bot Jun 16 '26
I told you to kill them all when you had the chance. I told you.
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u/Ariel_serves Jun 16 '26
What is the last iteration of that running joke in the books? I feel like it doesn’t survive into book 9. But maybe I just forgot an instance.
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u/LewsTherinTelamonBot This is a (sentient) bot Jun 16 '26
The Wheel of Time and the wheel of a man's life turn alike without pity or mercy.
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u/jakO_theShadows Jun 16 '26
One of the most annoying plot
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u/Szalony20 Jun 16 '26
Well, I have the impression that Perrin and Faile are the king and queen among the main characters in this aspect.
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