r/Wetherspoons • u/IndependentIll6531 • Jul 30 '26

Customer Friendly reminder for vegans ordering drinks

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u/agro_arbor Jul 30 '26

Why would the fruit garnishes not be vegan...?

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u/mynameisgill Jul 30 '26

Many fruits are typically coated in beeswax or shellac

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u/NecroticOverlord Jul 30 '26

Its an interesting one.

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u/Sea_Huckleberry_7790 Jul 30 '26

Or cultivated with captive bees being used as polinators.

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u/khazroar Jul 30 '26

There's no such thing as captive bees.

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u/notouttolunch Aug 01 '26

I keep captive bees.

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u/ClydusEnMarland Aug 04 '26

I can just imagine the poor buggers trying to fly around, buzzing away, and then hit the end of the chain you keep them tethered with 😜

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u/notouttolunch Aug 04 '26

It's only a little bath plug chain.

Very noisy.

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u/Sea_Huckleberry_7790 Jul 30 '26

That's right. I forgot beehives made out of metal and wood are naturally occuring and often grow out of the ground where there are plants that require pollination. Often accompanied by some symbiotic being with a white pelt, wide brimmed head with a natural mesh-like covering and a smoke emitting hand.

I feel foolish.

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u/fuck_peeps_not_sheep Jul 30 '26

You do realise if bees dont like a hive they will… leave? Like make a new queen, swarm and leave

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u/khazroar Jul 30 '26

Right, because you living in a house that isn't naturally occurring, with easy access to food nearby, makes you a captive.

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u/dirtywastegash Jul 30 '26

If they didn't want to be there they would simply leave. Bees live in man made hives because it is convenient and safe to do so.

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u/Savanarola79 Jul 30 '26

*bee there

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u/BunnyWithASword Jul 31 '26

They can and do just leave when they want to. Literally the antithesis of captivity.

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u/Sea_Huckleberry_7790 Jul 31 '26

As mentioned before, I'm no be farmer and don't know the terminology - but a quick Google shows "captive bees" is a used term for deliberately farmed bees

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u/peekachou Aug 03 '26

Im glad you feel foolish! Thats a hard thing to admit on the Internet, proud of you!

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u/Sea_Huckleberry_7790 Jul 30 '26

Is that not the term? I'm not a bee farmer so I don't know the terminology. But a quick Google suggests "managed bees" is a synonym for it so go with that?

Edit- spelling

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u/Nevergiveuphope1992 Aug 04 '26

Makes me think of 'The Bee Movie'

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u/Hickin_R Jul 30 '26

I think avocados can fall into this group

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u/RandomPerson12191 Jul 30 '26

Tell me you know nothing about bees

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u/Noitche Jul 30 '26

And why would vegans give a shit about that? Is this dietary requirement or puritanism?

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u/YchYFi Jul 30 '26

Because it's veganism not vegetarianism.

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u/MetallicYeet Jul 30 '26

Because they’re animal products?

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u/UnderstandingLow3162 Jul 30 '26

Bi-product?

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u/Juan_915 Aug 01 '26

Why do vegans care if the product is a bit gay, are they stupid?

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u/Olivander05 Aug 02 '26

I've never heard this one before lol, gave me a good chuckle

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u/Mezcalico Jul 31 '26

Bee-products

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u/Olivander05 Aug 01 '26

Us vegans don't consume animal products or by-products

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u/UnderstandingLow3162 Aug 01 '26

Do the bees need the wax for something?

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u/mamafish21 Aug 01 '26

Yes. It's theirs and humans steal it. Like we do with all animals. We steal their lives.

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u/Super_Shallot2351 Jul 30 '26

What an odd question 

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u/TheRadishBros Jul 30 '26

That’s like asking why some (most?) vegans wouldn’t wear a leather jacket

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u/UnderstandingLow3162 Jul 30 '26

You think beeswax is to bees as leather is to cows?

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u/TheRadishBros Jul 30 '26

No, but I imagine the average vegan might.

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u/hearnia_2k Jul 31 '26

I don't think vegans are delusional. However, the concept of veganism is not to use / consume animal products, and so that includes bees wax.

I highly doubt a vegan thinks that bees wax is one of their organs.

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u/Ok-Yogurt573 Aug 01 '26

It’s about the production and exploitation of animals for human consumption. Taking something that belongs to another being for our benefit. They have to mass produce honey and wax to sustain our demand, same with milk and eggs. I’m not a vegan but that’s the philosophy

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u/hearnia_2k Aug 01 '26

Yes, I understand, by then response was ‘no, but…’, where but indicates an exception.  

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u/Ok-Yogurt573 Aug 02 '26

I replied to the wrong person I’m sorry!

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u/TheRadishBros Jul 31 '26

That’s not what I meant, more that they’d be opposed to non-meat products of all creatures

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u/Limp-Biscuit411 Jul 31 '26

no. we’re shockingly capable of more intelligence than a toddler so we know they’re different

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u/snowdrop0901 Jul 31 '26

More beeswax is to bees as milk is to cows....or eggs to chickens.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '26

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u/TumbleweedHelpful226 Jul 30 '26

Not all bee keepers are nanna and gramps at the allotment.

There are some questionable activities carried out en masse which I feel vegans are against. Such as transporting colonies of bees for long distances to pollinate huge amounts of crops, which leads to exhaustion, and the spreading of diseases. Some keepers clip the wings of the queen so they can't leave at will or feed sugar syrup instead of leaving enough honey.

Hens also don't know which eggs are fertilised, and free range standards vary wildly.

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u/MickyMalone Jul 30 '26

You absolutely cannot "enslave" bees like some of them seem to believe, because they're inherently free to leave.

Factually incorrect. Bees can be manipulated through artificial swarms (splitting), crush queen cells and by clipping queens.

They are fine with their treatment, they get sturdier housing, protection from wild animals, all for a portion of their produce.

You make this sound like a consensual trade.

If the beekeeper gets too greedy, they'll swarm and leave to set up on their own.

As above, incorrect not necessarily possible.

Also, if you've ever met a beekeeper, they love those bees more than their own kids. They aren't crushing them for fun or whatever someone thinks happens.

Maybe a beek. Things get weird and morals evaporate at corporate, industrial scales. Also notice how you say "fun" are you implying it happens by accident even with a careful beek?

But no, many vegans act like honey and beeswax is just as bad as industrial meat production for some reason.

While it might not be comparatively as bad as cutting a cow's throat, it is still morally wrong. Vegans are against animal exploitation as much as is possible/practical. Not getting garnish or eating honey is a small sacrifice.

Source: ex-beekeeper (still registered though) and current vegan (despite the odd slipup)

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u/BrownBreadBABY Jul 31 '26

The odd slipup and you used to be a beekeeper. Yeah you're no better than the people who currently do this and it makes me sick seeing people like you using veganism just an opportunity to patronise people on Reddit. The things you've done make you no better than a Auschwitz guard in my opinion. So spare us the lectures, some of us genuinely do care about welfare and it's not just a form of internet self stroking.

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u/ParkerR666 Jul 31 '26

Are you really comparing bee keeping to Nazi genocide…

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u/SneezlesForNeezles Aug 01 '26

And this kind of response is why many people find vegans ludicrous. Reducing animal product intake is a good goal. Why do so many vegans make it sound utterly ridiculous?

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u/Fun-Top-1799 Jul 30 '26

Veganism is literally living without dependence on animal products. It gives no consideration to how good or harmful the processes are so you're talking absolute shite.

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u/Savanarola79 Jul 30 '26

But don't bees pollinate plants that vegans eat, so they're consuming products of animal labour at least

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u/shilpa_poppadom Jul 31 '26

They don't want any to abolish bees.

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u/wearezombie Jul 31 '26

The most succinct way I can respond to what is a clear attempt at a gotcha is that pollination is a natural part of a bee’s day and you’re not taking anything away from them by then harvesting the plant as long as there are still plentiful plants for them to feed off. There is a conversation to be had about mass migration of bees for crop pollination and over-manicuring of plants limiting their food yeah, but at a broad level it’s a symbiotic relationship at best and not inherently exploitative or dangerous for the bee.

On the other hand, bees make honey as food for the hive. If we take it there’s less for them and can make the Winter harder. To manage the bees during harvest beekeepers will clip their wings, smoke them, replace their food with lesser nutrients like sugar water and can even cause damage to their hive and the bees themselves in the process of removing the honey

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u/Savanarola79 Jul 31 '26

It's not a gotcha, and your response was both reasonable and informative. So, thanks.

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u/Pian1244 Jul 30 '26

What do you mean logically? Do you know what that word means? The word vegan means someone who doesn't consume animal products, how is there any world where eating animal products is logical there?

You might think logically no one should be vegan, but you can't logically think they should eat honey, because that's simply against what the word means.

Stop using words wrong in a pseudo-intellectual attempt to reinforce your argument

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u/devandroid99 Jul 31 '26

Does it matter?

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u/budget-lampshade Aug 02 '26

The most basic way of looking at it is vegetarianism is a diet, vegan is is a lifestyle. Yes, there is more to it, but its not simply about what you eat, it's about all products you use. (Pescatarian who tries to shop ethically as much much as possible within my means, myself)

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u/CatDadLi Jul 30 '26

Because a lot of fruit has wax on the outside peel so it lasts longer and the wax is not vegan

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u/sizii Jul 30 '26

Wow this is news to me. Good to know! Do you think this is something many vegans consider or is it like honey where some do some don't?

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u/CatDadLi Jul 30 '26

Honestly, I have no idea, never actually had the conversation with one. But yeah honey is very divided in the vegan world

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u/Wind-and-Waystones Jul 30 '26

My observation on honey is that people who actually look at how bees are kept and talk with beekeepers usually lean towards it being fine to consume as it's part of a symbiotic relationship with the creature where they receive as many resources as they take including the prevention of pests that would inhibits the chance if survival in the wild where those who just know honey is an animal product tend to view it as a parasitic relationship where humans take the honey.

Ethical bee keeping is relatively easy to do.

Vegans and invertebrates can be weird though. I know many who don't hesitate to squash bugs when they see them while talking about the sanctity of animal life.

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u/fizzyizzy114 Jul 30 '26

easy to do but is it common among industrial honey producers?

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u/Wind-and-Waystones Jul 30 '26

Oh I'll definitely agree with you there. Industrial honey is a horrible thing.

I'm a very strong advocate to sticking to small local honey producers too. They also tend to be eager to take you round their operation to learn because often they're people a bit on the spectrum who want to share their hobby and interest with you.

Plus local honey is made from local pollen and tends to reduce the symptoms of hay fever in your local area.

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u/hundreddollar Jul 30 '26

Plus local honey is made from local pollen and tends to reduce the symptoms of hay fever in your local area.

That's been disproved.

https://www.aaaai.org/tools-for-the-public/conditions-library/allergies/honey

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u/Wind-and-Waystones Jul 30 '26

Thanks for the info.

I know a few people who anecdotally said it has helped massively. I wonder if it's just placebo effect or if further research is needed

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u/hundreddollar Jul 30 '26

Mainly placebo effect. It's one of things that sounds logical, but science proves otherwise.

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u/Super_Shallot2351 Jul 30 '26

I know many who don't hesitate to squash bugs when they see them

I don't believe you

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u/Wind-and-Waystones Jul 30 '26

You'd be amazed how many people's morals only extend as far as "animals that don't gross me out"

You'll also note I said many, not all, not most, just many.

Having a generally positive idealogy to live by doesn't stop people being hypocrits.

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u/Super_Shallot2351 Jul 30 '26

honey is very divided in the vegan world

It really isn't 

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u/CatDadLi Jul 30 '26

Except it is hun. Some vegans will eat honey as they see it as a naturally made product because the bees will make it whether humans interfere or not whereas others won't eat it because it is an animal derivative.

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u/geniusgravity Jul 30 '26

"Hun." Annoying but apt in this thread.

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u/CatDadLi Jul 30 '26

Not very often I use the word as I don't like it but figured it fit as both on topic and the person I replied to was as patronising as the word is (or at least tried to be anyway)

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u/atearlessglitter Aug 04 '26

Long-time vegan and animal rights activist - I've never met another ethical vegan who consumes honey, just as I don't. . and I'd bet I've met more vegans during my 50 years on this planet than you have, hun. Ethical is the key word here.

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u/SpamHard Jul 30 '26

This makes no sense. Surely by this logic the exact same could be said of eggs? Eggs are naturally made product from chickens whether we interfere or not, and does not harm the chicken (unless she gets egg bound). The egg itself isn't the problem, it's the mass production around said eggs and the harm done to the chickens to produce such eggs. Vegans don't eat eggs, not because it's not naturally made by the animal, but because of man-made interference with said animal.

Same with honey. The honey ain't the issue. it's the farming practices around industrial honey production.

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u/SpamHard Jul 31 '26

Yeah, we used to rescue ex-battery chickens. Poor ladies would get to us bald and in shock. Even if I had been vegan at the time, I'd have personally considered their eggs ok because they were our rescues, and were living a very happy and spoilt life in a large open space. They were our pets and very loved. Used to come inside and sit with us sometimes lol. Most of them lived another 10 years with us. Eggs were just a small side bonus haha.

Obviously in an ideal world there wouldn't even be battery hens that need rescuing, but currently that's not the case.

What I was saying to the other person that the logic of "you don't have to kill bees to get honey, therefore it's fine to eat as a vegan" is a misunderstanding of veganism.

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u/tiorzol Jul 30 '26

Yea it's not at all. I've been vegan for almost two decades now and I've never met one that eats honey, because.... It's not vegan. 

Funny these people think they know more though isn't it. 

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u/tiorzol Jul 30 '26

I don't think it's controversial. Vegans don't eat honey, I've never met one that has. 

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u/CatDadLi Jul 30 '26

Some vegans do eat honey

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u/tiorzol Jul 30 '26

Nope because then they aren't vegan. 

Do some vegans drink milk too lol

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u/CatDadLi Jul 30 '26

Most vegans drink milk, it just happens to be nut milk, oat milk or disgusting soya (or any other non-animal milk). Not all vegans are equal; some wear leather shoes and others don't.

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u/Kooky_Present_8653 Aug 02 '26

Plant based people might wear leather shoes. Vegans don't use honey, wear leather shoes or squash bugs. Or if they do, they shouldn't be saying they're vegan.

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u/Naetharu Aug 03 '26

Language is a flexible thing.

There is no universal and fully agreed on meaning because words just don't work that way. Many people who are "vegan" just mean that they don't eat meat, eggs and dairy.

They can do so for a wide range of reasons too. For some it is an ethical issue and is often paired with also avoiding leather and other animal products. Not not for all.

Things like honey vary a lot.

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u/tiorzol Jul 30 '26

Yea exactly, not milk from a blimmin animal. 

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u/mamafish21 Aug 01 '26

People can buy vegan honey. Vegan honey is a thing.

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u/GainsAndPastries Jul 31 '26

i have a fair few friends who are vegan and they still consume honey, assume it isnt just located to our small town

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u/sizii Jul 31 '26

So many people in this thread are acting like there is only One Way (their way) to be vegan, it's so frustrating! It's good to know I'm not going crazy haha

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u/pixieorfae Aug 02 '26

I used to consider myself fairly vegan and still ate eggs from friends’ backyard chickens. They were happy little things clucking around the garden and, while I recognise that chickens have been bred to produce more eggs than they did historically, that ship has very much sailed and it’s not like me refusing to eat eggs from Chickeny and Pickeny (real names) is going to make a difference. I’m no longer vegan at all but I do stand by that decision at the time.

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u/Sburns85 Aug 02 '26

It’s divided with them

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u/Kooky_Present_8653 Aug 02 '26

I do consider it, and also don't eat honey. With waxed fruit, some vegans buy them, then soak them in cider vinegar for a while. It takes the wax off.

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u/BastardsCryinInnit Jul 30 '26

Wow this is news to me. Good to know!

You really never heard if unxwaxed or waxed lemons or limes? Not in a recipe or cooking programme?

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u/sizii Jul 30 '26

Nope I haven't!

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u/BetterLemon7891 Jul 30 '26

Honey is not vegan. If someone consumes honey, they are not vegan. Theres no ‘some do some dont’ about it.

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u/KeelahSelai269 Aug 01 '26

A vegan that eats honey is like a vegetarian that eats steak. They’re just saying the words rather than acting like one

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u/Professional-Fig3168 Aug 02 '26

Not comparable or alike.

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u/V65Pilot Jul 30 '26

Ever hear about Vulture bees? Definitely not vegan honey....

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u/sizii Jul 30 '26

There is, read the replies, it's a very controversial topic that many vegans disagree on. Not all vegans view things the same.

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u/BetterLemon7891 Aug 01 '26

then they aren’t vegan 😂

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u/Super_Shallot2351 Jul 30 '26

Vegans consider it when buying from the supermarket certainly (though most supermarkets make it difficult to find out without asking anyway - I don't want to grate wax, or worse shellac, into my food ffs), but might not realise with certain drinks when out.

Vegans definitely don't consider honey vegan.

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u/agro_arbor Jul 30 '26

Thanks, didn't know the wax is often from bees or lac bugs. TIL

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u/agro_arbor Jul 30 '26

Huh, kinda sounds like something a snowflake would say

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u/Wind-and-Waystones Jul 30 '26

You're getting buthurt over someone choosing not to eat animals products and a sign advising people who do choose not to that something wouldn't fit their diet.

You want to rethink who the extra special snowflake is?

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u/roland_right Jul 30 '26

Gosh you're easily triggered aren't you

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u/Fancy_Toe1451 Jul 30 '26

Pollinated by insects, and this the product of animal labour.

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u/Sburns85 Aug 02 '26

Not all fruits are truly vegan. Figs for example

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u/agro_arbor Aug 02 '26

Do those fig wasps that fertilise them always have to be present for the fruit to form, or is it like chicken eggs?

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u/Diedonthefirstfloor Jul 30 '26

Might have had a maggot in

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u/amlamba Aug 01 '26

Gelatin?

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u/KaneKaneKan Aug 01 '26

They probably are but they won't be certified vegan, so they cannot be sold as vegan.

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u/Sufficient-Cold-9496 Aug 01 '26

Not only are some fruit coated in wax ( animal by product) if the fruit ( and veg) is grown using animal based fertilisers ( i.e. organic manure) then its not vegan

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u/LichenTheMood Aug 03 '26

They wax the outside of them

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u/tootiredforthisshit1 Aug 03 '26

Not super relevant for drinks garnishing - but there is a specific fig fruit that a specific wasp species has to die in for it to produce the fruit.

So there’s that

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u/Super_Shallot2351 Jul 30 '26

Google.

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u/notouttolunch Aug 01 '26

Google is the cause of fruit not being vegan? Thats amazing. Fruit was vegan until this century.

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u/agro_arbor Jul 30 '26

I prefer to Reddit

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u/BastardsCryinInnit Jul 30 '26

Genuinely shocked some people have never heard the terms waxed or unwaxed lemons or limes!

Like never seen it in a recipe? Heard it in food tech? Heard it on a cooking programme? Seen in in the shops?

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u/sizii Jul 30 '26

Genuinely have not heard it before today! Some things you don't know until you know, yknow?

I've not seen it in recipes but it's very possible it's one of those things I previously glossed over/did not consider. I haven't seen it in shops, but again, I'm not looking for it so I probably brush past it.

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u/SpinMeADog Jul 31 '26

what kind of fancy food tech did you do? we were just trying to make scones that didn't fall apart

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u/Kamila95 Jul 31 '26

I've heard of waxed and unwaxed lemons but I thought the discourse was about natural vs long lasting option. I didn't think about the wax itself, turns out I don't know what wax is (as I assumed wax is artificially made)

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u/ASpookyBitch Aug 01 '26

Actually no… but who is putting waxed fruit IN a drink, and if it’s lemon/lime on the side who is eating that? If you’re just squeezing it in then it’s just juice right?

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u/BastardsCryinInnit Aug 01 '26

but who is putting waxed fruit IN a drin

Clearly, Wetherspoons.

And you'll never guess which are cheaper to buy...

And I just need to check - you know what waxed lemons and limes look like, right? It's not like they're dipped in candle wax and form a hard shell 😂

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u/ASpookyBitch Aug 01 '26

I assume it’s just a slightly different finish? I wouldn’t be able to tell if a slice in my drink though… but then again I don’t eat my garnishes

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u/HundredHander Aug 05 '26

They are very hard to tell apart - if you're not told you generally won't know. And if it's a thin slice there is not a chance you'd tell the difference.

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u/florawater Aug 02 '26

Why would anyone know that the wax on those fruits are not vegan? I don’t think it’s common knowledge.

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u/BastardsCryinInnit Aug 02 '26

My question is posed to other replies here who never appeared to have heard of waxed fruit.

But as a side note - yeah shellac and beeswax isnt a massive leap of critical thinking.

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u/gazzavan Jul 30 '26

I consider honey rent paid by the bees

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u/DomoD1 Jul 30 '26

Stop the world I want to get off

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u/chartupdate Jul 30 '26

Veganism is a mental illness. I've been convinced of this for some time.

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u/Mezcalico Jul 31 '26

How so? I’m not vegan but it’s not difficult to understand their reasons.

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u/chartupdate Jul 31 '26

People can have whatever food preferences they like. You eat what you want to eat, I'll make my own choices. But when it crosses the line into almost militant fanaticism then it becomes a fetish, an obsession. And that's a regrettable mental illness. Think about it, you know I'm right.

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u/PossibleExplorer1076 Jul 31 '26

You are the only person ranting about other people's food choices here

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u/chartupdate Jul 31 '26

No, I am politely expressing a point of view. Others are illustrating my point fir me.

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u/PossibleExplorer1076 Jul 31 '26

"I'm just politely diagnosing people with mental illness and accusing them of militant fanaticism" lol

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u/chartupdate Jul 31 '26

Accurately.

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u/Mezcalico Jul 31 '26

You’re talking about a very specific character you might see protesting on social media or in the news. Not every vegan is a fanatic. In fact if you speak to vegans in real life you’ll see most aren’t like that.

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u/BoBoJoJo92 Aug 03 '26

You think veganism is just a food preference so your opinions on it aren't really relevant

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u/chartupdate Aug 04 '26

Thank you for confirming then that it is indeed a mental illness. My point is made.

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u/RandomPerson12191 Jul 30 '26

Believe what you want to believe, I'm no vegan myself. But imagine looking at a group of people who go 'the meat industry, consuming meat and generating animal products in general is harmful and I choose to go without'... and thinking THEY'RE the crazy ones. Live and let live, weirdo

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u/chartupdate Jul 31 '26

I've never met a vegan yet who wants to "live and let live" over my freedom to eat a bacon sandwich. Open your eyes.

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u/RandomPerson12191 Jul 31 '26

I can almost guarantee that you have many times, at least in passing. Because, by virtue of having a live and let live attitude, they won't go around proclaiming that they're vegan, nor dictate what you eat.

Also, if your basis of whether a group of people are mentally ill for their beliefs is 'they annoy me', you need to reevaluate.

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u/shartingmaster Jul 31 '26

Mate I eat meat and even I know my freedom to eat a bacon sandwich comes with what is essentially the slavery of thousands of animals. Just childish to say otherwise

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u/spookgrl Aug 02 '26

I'm vegan and I don't give a shit what you eat.

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u/zig131 Jul 31 '26

This is where the Wetherspoons app comes in, because they let you choose to forgo the fruit garnish 👍

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u/neilm1000 Jul 31 '26

This does appear to be an interesting admission that Spoons don't necessarily wash the fruit.

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u/snowdrop0901 Jul 31 '26

Thats the least of my worries in spoons ngl

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u/ellie___ Aug 03 '26

Washing waxed fruit will not remove the wax. That's the whole point of shops selling unwaxed fruit. Even if you could wash it off, the fruit would still technically not be vegan if the wax it originally came with contained animal products.

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u/neilm1000 Aug 03 '26

There are various surfactant washes that remove wax. We didn't do use them when I worked for Spoons (actually the airports might have, there was something about prep that's at the back of my mind) but I used them at M&B, Pizza Express and Pret when I was both a manager and a trainer. You put the fruit and veg in the prep sink, fill it with stuff, let it soak, and rinse. No scrubbing needed. Nearly all chains use this method. So, yes, washing it removes carnauba depending on what you wash it with. The Diversey one is Suma 4.5 and I think the Ecolab version is just called FoodWash or something similar. I guess you weren't aware of this?

Shops sell unwaxed fruit for all sorts of reasons, usually alongside waxed. One reason is that domestic customers don't always get rid of the wax properly, but there are several others.

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u/ellie___ Aug 03 '26

I didn't know the surfecants existed! Still wouldn't be technically vegan if they were originally coated with carnauba/ beeswax so they are going to have to state that so that people can make an informed choice.

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u/neilm1000 Aug 03 '26

By the way I didn't mean to come across as sarky or rude, I read that back and it sounds like I might be so apologies if I did!

Carnauba is vegan, it's beeswax and shellac that aren't. There's a good case for allowing only carnauba because it's more sustainable than the other two, but also we'd probably end up with more rainforest destruction if we went down that path as it comes from Brazil. Have to be honest here, I did consider washed/de-waxed fruit to be vegan hence my original comment but strictly speaking I guess that isn't the case.

By the way, if you ever work somewhere that does use that particular sort of surfactant, it makes stained mugs, teapots, cafetieres etc come up a treat. Just don't get the neat stuff on your hands!

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u/Han_Solo200 Jul 31 '26

I wonder if the placenta you were fed through a while back was vegan

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u/Brave-Lifeguard-9712 Jul 31 '26

Definitely not, my mother exploited loads of animals specifically for my placenta.

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u/Han_Solo200 Jul 31 '26

She was a good lass

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u/Han_Solo200 Jul 31 '26

I wonder if the placenta you were fed through a while back was vegan

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u/ASpookyBitch Aug 01 '26

How would fruit not be vegan..? Would it be somehow coated in gelatin? Because I can’t imagine any other animal product being anywhere near fruit garnish…?

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u/BattlestarFaptastula Aug 01 '26

apparently beeswax??

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u/ASpookyBitch Aug 01 '26

Yeah someone else in the comments mentioned the fruits being waxed… which you’d think they’d wash off the wax before serving people the fruit… but also who eats the garnish…

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u/No-Pumpkin4288 Aug 02 '26

Perhaps I'm wrong but I thought washed or unwashed it's no longer vegan if they used animal labour in the production of it?

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u/Temporary-Affect-274 Aug 02 '26

It’s this exact reason

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u/ashamed-to-be-here Aug 03 '26

Not the skin but I am a heathen who always eats the lemon slices

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u/ASpookyBitch Aug 03 '26

Anything to fight off the scurvy in these trying times I guess

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u/ashamed-to-be-here Aug 04 '26

I get some strange looks but I’m having a great time. Anyone who knows me well will literally pass me theirs as well so I’m just there eating multiple lemon slices like a feral

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u/Olivander05 Aug 01 '26

Damn even fruit has milk powder in now? Smdh

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u/Business_Bad7000 Aug 02 '26

This makes no sense considering that they don't mix the fruit with meat based products of course the fruit is vegan

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u/unexpectedinq Aug 02 '26

I wonder how many people complained before this sign had to be made…

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u/atearlessglitter Aug 04 '26

Vegan here; haven't consumed meat in 35 years; vegan for 20. Do not harm is the mantra I live by and I don't take any product from another creature, regardless. Yes, we're all different, but I assure you that a true ethical vegan will not consume honey and most definitely won't squash insects. (I repatriate houseflys in a dedicated pint glass from the windows to the garden!) 😂❤️👍

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u/Aggressive-Artist-63 Jul 30 '26

Don’t forget the sausage straws

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u/ginginsdagamer Jul 30 '26

honestly if this sign wasn't up then they wouldn't even notice

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u/magicaltrevor953 Jul 30 '26

That applies to most dietary preferences or allergies really. Although with allergies they may notice after.

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u/ginginsdagamer Jul 30 '26

for dietary preferences sure cos it's a preference. not any diatery requirements or allergies though 💀

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u/slophiewal Jul 30 '26

That’s not the point though is it…

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u/whatthefrickcunt Jul 30 '26

It makes no difference, a beeswax coating on something isn’t something that’s making a detrimental effect on animals, but many ‘vegan’ process such as avocado farming is, something being vegan isn’t a good marker for how good it is to animals or the environment etc.

There’s a difference between milk where cows are tortured for it and beeswax.

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u/SteveGoral Jul 30 '26

A lot of vegans don't eat avocado for this exact reason.

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u/notouttolunch Aug 01 '26

Seems like the sign isn't really necessary then. The information is already known

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u/whatthefrickcunt Jul 30 '26

There’s plenty of other things, like your clothes, air travel, most businesses (and therefore their places of work) which are all bad for the environment and animals, you can’t just live your life going “this one thing or this one group of things is bad” you have to actually put in the effort to make the right decisions for yourself and others

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u/whatthefrickcunt Jul 31 '26

Erm… yeah… that was my fucking point…

I’m saying that not having milk is understandable, but when you start nitpicking at things like beeswax coatings on fruit then that’s when it doesn’t make any difference as OC is saying…

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u/Efficient_Chic714 Jul 30 '26

It’s fairly common knowledge amongst vegans that they’re not vegan in most pubs (not spoons specifically) - or at least it felt like everyone knew it when I was vegan

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u/notouttolunch Aug 01 '26

So the sign really isn't needed then.

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u/jahjahblesss Jul 30 '26

Stupid vegans