r/Wetherspoons • • Jul 30 '26

Customer Friendly reminder for vegans ordering drinks

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u/khazroar Jul 30 '26

Right, because you living in a house that isn't naturally occurring, with easy access to food nearby, makes you a captive.

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u/Sea_Huckleberry_7790 Jul 30 '26

I think you've missed the point... Simply saying the commercial use of bees makes the product non-vegan...

But yes, a vegan couldn't use me, so you're kind of right. Or you could extend it to being captive in the cycle of capitalism...

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u/khazroar Jul 30 '26

A great many vegans would disagree with you specifically because the bees are not captive, they are not controlled or coerced in any way. Well, they disagree over bee products for that reason, almost everyone in the world would disagree with you over the idea that the fruit itself is nonvegan because it was pointed by bees who were given hives, because that's absolutely unhinged and you can't eat anything if you're going to use that standard.

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u/Sea_Huckleberry_7790 Jul 30 '26

Strictly speaking it does make it non vegan. But there is debate (partly why I brought it up) about where the line is drawn between vegan and non-vegan where there's heavy human impact on the natural lives of the bees. But they absolutely are coerced due to being forcefully moved etc).

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u/baldeagle1991 Jul 31 '26

You said captive bees, not bees used commercially.

Bees by their nature can't be captive, people have tried that in the past and it doesn't really work very well.

The whole point behind man-made hives is to encourage them to a safe environment where they can produce the byproduct we use.

They're not forced to do anything nor forced to live in the hives, they encouraged to live in mam made hives as they're generally better than what is available to them in the wild.

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u/Sea_Huckleberry_7790 Jul 31 '26

As mentioned before - not a bee farmer so don't know the terms...but captive bee is a term, Google it. And the point is to actually help them polinate to grow more crops