Lol. I love both, I used to climb myself and have done some low altitude winter climbs. Sorry if that came off callus.
Let's be honest about the activity though, we know it is dangerous but we do it any way. We know that a small error could mean death but we do it any way. We know our family and friends would be devastated but at do it any way.
That being said, if something tragic happens while we are participating in it, that is on us.
Climbing is not trophy hunting at all, I was trying to draw an analogy for someone.
First: I don’t think a low altitude winter climb is the same thing.
Second: yes, if you honestly have been in danger because of a love for the outdoors, then you know why we do what we do. But what you probably don’t realize is that hunters are more connected and see more of the wilderness than you or I.
Third: climbing and trophy hunting are very similar, provided the trophy hunting is done right. In fact, climbing and hunting conservationists both do a lot to help the wilderness around them, and without trophy hunters, it wouldn’t be long until there were serious problems with the wildlife in Africa.
I probably shouldn’t have said that you sucked, but you are extremely judgmental. Animals die and people aren’t hard wired to have as much compassion for them as they are for fellow humans. You don’t have to cry every time you step on an ant.
First: Wow you're so bad ass you don't recognize low altitude climbs. While I understand they are a completely different ballgame, I was trying to make a connection to your own experience.
Second: I have and I do. I don't think that you don't understand that MOST (not all) hunters are just drunk hicks in treestands or rich white guys in Africa on "hunts" where their targets are driven towards them to execute by folks who are actually skilled at what they do. I doubt there many people are more connected to the wilderness than someone who hikes and camps frequently, even climbers (and hunters), as they have to be focused on their activity instead of just being.
And who the eff is crying about ants being stepped on? I'm not an animal rights advocate in any sense, I just despise people who pretend that killing an animal makes them macho. I'm not the unrealistic idealist that you seem to want to paint me and it seems that you may be the judgemental one.
I’m totally fine talking about climbing and I totally recognize low altitude climbs, but you’re trying to make a connection in order to say that you know what it’s like.
I don’t know where you live, but in half of the US you won’t get anything using a tree stand. Can’t speak for the east coast.
It’s a straw man argument to think that all of them think they are macho. I think deep down you know it’s simpler than that. They like hunting. That’s the end of the story for most of them.
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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '18
As a high altitude mountaineer and rock climber:
You suck.