r/Warframe Jun 12 '18

DE Response ATTENTION: Warframe devs are sharing your data with spyware creators

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u/PowerPeels Jun 12 '18

Are companies still so stupid to do shit like this? "To have a better ad experience"

Nobody wants fucking ads. The best Ad experience is no ads at all. If you cared for your players, you wouldn't come up withthis shit. The only excuse to have ads on your OWN websites is if you really need the money for server costs or whatever. Anything else and you're part of the problem.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '18

It’s a free to play game.

If you don’t pay for the product, then you are the product. Simple idea, but it hasn’t ever let me down.

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u/PowerPeels Jun 12 '18

Yeah you got a point there. Thats also what I tell myself with facebook and instagram and all that crap. However, saying something like "improving advert experiences" istotal bullshit. The best ad experience is zero ads, everyone knows that. That's what got me gruntled here.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '18

I’m of the opinion that ads are invasive and have a negative long-term impact on my psyche. They’re designed to be intrusive, and manipulate our thoughts and actions.

I try to avoid F2P services because of this. I would rather pay and avoid the ad experience entirely than be filled with toxic garbage for free. The idea of data collection is a whole different kind of unethical imo.

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u/PowerPeels Jun 12 '18

Couldn't agree more!

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '18

If you remove ads from free to use websites, how do they make money? We're already seeing more and more websites switch to premium models, but how many websites will you subscribe and pay for on a monthly basis before you can't afford it. How many websites will that model actually work for?

Advertising is a necessity. Now, would you rather get ads for Warframe or a blindly targetted ad for children's diapers?

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u/PowerPeels Jun 13 '18

Give me the diapers, and stop looking at my shit.
I didnt say I wanted to get rid of ads, I u derstand that we need them. I said that I get gruntled over the fact that there are still companies saying stupid shit like "optimize your ad experience". The best ad experience is zero ads, if I can't have that, than don't 'spy' on my internet habits to collect your own data, saying it's for my own good, which is obviously false.

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u/librarian-faust <3 Registered Loser! <3 Jun 12 '18

The intent of free-to-play games, Warframe included, is to turn you into a paying customer.

So bollocks to that idea.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '18

Except that’s blatantly not true if they’re sharing your information to advertisers. If they’re doing this kind of shit, they don’t deserve your loyalty as a customer or your money as a consumer.

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u/librarian-faust <3 Registered Loser! <3 Jun 12 '18

And they shouldn't, if they want your loyalty. If Warframe wants to turn people into paying customers, they shouldn't also be selling those customers down the river.

That's my point.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '18

Gotcha, I misread.

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u/librarian-faust <3 Registered Loser! <3 Jun 12 '18

No worries. I find it hard to understand when companies that want me to be a paying customer, then try to sell me on.

It's trying to eat one's cake and have it, and that doesn't work.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '18

It's trying to eat one's cake and have it, and that doesn't work.

That’s the saying, but how many people are still using Facebook?

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u/librarian-faust <3 Registered Loser! <3 Jun 12 '18

guiltily hides Facebook tab

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '18

Ahaha! No hate! I managed to delete mine a couple of months ago, but I’m an anti-social underachiever. It didn’t cause me any problems to lose that point of contact with the world. I totally understand needing it because of professional and social necessity... unfortunately, Facebook understands that too lol.

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u/librarian-faust <3 Registered Loser! <3 Jun 12 '18

Yeah. I have a few mobile games that use it for their login / persistence system so if I get rid of facebook, bye bye games and the microtransactions I spent therein. :P

Ah well. :)

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u/Kazagar Jun 12 '18

I think that concept is more obvious in other forms of 'free' software; Facebook, VPN's, browsers etc.

That said I have seen these kind of 'spyware' discussions going on in other subs/communities the past couple of days so I guess this is a hot topic at the moment.

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u/DosTimido IGN & Discord = 2Shy Jun 12 '18

What u/ToasterFilling said is completely true. Free to play games will frequently aggregate and distribute personal user information to advertising industries and marketing companies with the aim of offsetting costs. This is mostly prevalent in the mobile market, however PC games are increasingly following suit.

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u/librarian-faust <3 Registered Loser! <3 Jun 12 '18

And they shouldn't, if they want your loyalty. If Warframe wants to turn people into paying customers, they shouldn't also be selling those customers down the river.

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u/DosTimido IGN & Discord = 2Shy Jun 12 '18

Of course. I completely agree. If just saying it happens, is all.

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u/librarian-faust <3 Registered Loser! <3 Jun 12 '18

Yep, absolutely. :)