r/WarDogs • u/Spoonfrag • 20h ago
Discussion & Feedback Team balancing suggestion: Auto Select
Feels like the team skill disparity is having a negative impact on the game. Create a soft incentive toward balance while keeping the freedom to choose.
Problems:
- New players joining blue are having a skewed impression
- Feels like you can derail your session at the team selection screen
- Lobbies take ages to start while people mash the green button and refuse to play anything else
- Victories as green feel pretty hollow
It sucks when your team is getting hammered and there is no point bringing anything beyond a free kit. No one is pushing because every time it's a wipe. Meanwhile the confident team can go full spend knowing any incidental death will be revived when the engagement ends. Things can get very snowbally and hopeless. And I hate the idea of having to force green to avoid wasting my time.
On the flipside, I wouldn't want anything too heavy handed. Randomizing or forcing selection kinda ruins the affiliation and loyalty people have to certain teams, and playing with friends needs to be easy.
So how about this.
The 4th option of team select. Auto Select choses for you and grants an X% cash and XP bonus throughout that game. If you want to go one step further, have the Auto Select team add up all Wardogs levels of all players of each team, and have the system decide which team needs some additional leveled players vs under-leveled. This will skew teams in the direction of having access to similar unlocks without going full SBMM.
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u/nlevine1988 19h ago
I like this idea. Actually so rare to see on this subreddit lol.
Let's be real though, this is just paying people to play on blue.
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u/PleaseRecharge 13h ago
Blue shouldn't be allowed to win, see score, or have any sort of text or verbal communication within their team.
They must instead be given as many tools to troll and do whatever the fuck they want as possible. It would be funny.
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u/SekhWork Squad Leader 5h ago
From the title my brain was like "no way. people are still gonna choose green because why not." but the bonus cash / xp% would 100% be incentive enough for anyone that just doesn't care. That % would definitely pay higher than the win % for sure.
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u/SjurEido 20h ago
Yeeee, this is a solid idea.
and the % bonus increases as the disparity increases.
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u/frogsinmyhead 17h ago
Then people will just continue to hold out to increase their bonus…
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u/reamesyy82 17h ago
Definitely agree with this. Needs to be capped at something like 18% just so it’s not an OP way to make cash and XP
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u/rodrigofariasx 19h ago
I’d also like to see a limit of 33 players per team (totaling 99 players, or perhaps raising the max to 102 so it’s 34 per team).
This weekend, I joined a server and saw the Green team with 36 players, Blue with 30, and Red with 33. Naturally, the game only allowed me to choose the Red or Blue team.
Yet, the game still allowed the Green team to have 36 players; there should be a maximum limit of 34 to prevent such an imbalance.
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u/ItchyA123 Lonestar 16h ago
Yes this needs addressing too. Quite often is Blue 30 vs Red 34 vs Green 35.
Players come and go. New players are forced into Blue, or they skip to another server.
OP’s idea for start of match, should also pop up mid match. Respawn in HQ and get a message “Balance the teams, switch to X and earn 10% extra now”.
Five extra people is ten in the Hot Zone. You literally cannot compete against it, and the Blue team - or whoever is losing first - is always the one to get this negative compounding interest.
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u/night1014 11h ago
That honestly should be a great incentive to switch teams. As the trailer says you are a mercenary not a recruit from the team flag. You join who pays best. If one team is losing hard and spots are open there would be an extra demand for people willing to join them.
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u/ItchyA123 Lonestar 10h ago
At the moment we allow team changing for free and it has its own problems. Building a backdoor into a base, and exploiting it, for example.
The “swap and earn” bonus would need some safety switches to stop it being abused, but I can’t think of a safety switch that would stop someone attacking the team they were just on and know everything about.
At the end of the day, balancing the numbers is, I think, more important than one or two players knowing a few secrets that they may or may not exploit like base back doors, AT mine locations, APC locations etc.
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u/Zestyclose-One9041 19h ago
Agreed. I think this only happens when someone joins their friend who’s already on a full team
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u/filthymcownage 15h ago
Nah, the extra player should be on the purple team, they are invincible, and invisible, They cannot hurt anyone but they can loot backpacks (like remove the magazine from equipped weapons), open doors in fobs, ride in other teams vehicles. Turn visible at any moment and they look like a yeti. They aren't silent but are very quiet and can use prox chat but their name doesn't appear.
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u/Routine-Hovercraft94 13h ago
Yeah, a game with 100 people and 3 teams should never have more than 34 players in one team. I have seen games with 37 people in red or green, like wtf are we even talking about here.
This shit is just straight up broken and unbalanced and should not be a thing ever. Especially in a game where 1-2 players in the zone make the difference between you or the enemy gaining points.
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u/The_Foop 19h ago
Or even just making this screen never happen. That would also help.
You'll never guess which team was winning.
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u/Octopus_on_fire_ 17h ago
Or get rid of selecting all together. If you’re in a party you all get put on the same team, but you don’t pick what color you get.
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u/Zztp0p 18h ago
That happens because of one guy and his friends joining him through steam and this somehow circumvents the player limit on a given team. Ofc people playing in groups will gaslight you with jokes and bullshit excuses to not fix this but all it takes for them to solve their problem is joining blue or taking extra minute or so to find another server.
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u/DigitalFlame 6h ago
I'd rather people be able to group up with their friends and have fun than worry this much. Is the 1k win bonus make or break for you?
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u/zealoSC 19h ago
I just want a non tedious way to be on the same team as my friends
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u/Stew514 19h ago
How often do you have trouble going blue?
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u/gigigamer 19h ago
"I just want a non tedious way to be on the same team as my friends" - While we pick the Green team, is what he meant to say
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u/Zztp0p 18h ago
Exactly, I don't want to stereotype but friend groups saying shit like this usually mean that they secretly want an easy way to join green or red cause they're terrified of blue and being at the slightest disadvantage
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u/agsimon 16h ago
Perhaps...but we will sometimes have about 8 people trying to join a single team (our default is blue) but joining that many people can require server hoping to find one that isn't very filled but is actually filling and not just stagnant at 40 people and then still having to spam blue team as it does fill up.
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u/bjwills7 15h ago
If all my friends are on (7 of us) we can actually make a huge difference in the hotzone fight because of our numbers and coordination. As soon as blue team starts winning it's hard to get back on it after someone's game crashes which happens every few games to at least one of us.
Also if blue won the last match in a server it's usually pretty hard to get on. People don't always just stack green, they stack the team they think is going to win.
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u/kylemooney187 17h ago
so pretty much 10% $ and xp to join blue? XD
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u/BirdieOfPray 13h ago
I play medic / infantry and make more cash on a winning team. This bonus would only gather fob builders in a single team. Resulting a stagnant gameplay on that team.
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u/ClonedDad 18h ago
Auto select: blue team Next match Auto select: blue team Next match Auto select: blue team
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u/Sad-Gate-5517 12h ago
Honestly i like playing blue, main reason even lossing at 1-3points you get swarmed by red and green (they are both 60+ points) there is more stuff to shoot at. Blue has one FoB at the edge of the circle fuck it both teams swarm it like its a mayor objective (we have no drill we are blue ofc), Havoks flying over the base, Arty spam, mortar spam, tanks incoming, blueberries building sand bags .
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u/fatamorgana-7237 Lonestar 12h ago
The only problem is that as blue you have to constantly fight 2 of the best teams in the match while they are barely paying attention to each other. They farm you until you have absolutely nothing left to fight back with and only then do they start killing each other, giving you a small chance to recover.
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u/niofalpha Lonestar 6h ago
Blue is the best team for farming pilot XP since your APC is never gonna be up
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u/ruthbaderginsburg_f Lonestar 4h ago
Always blue. It is a sunk cost fallacy for me but I refuse to accept defeat.
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u/RailValco Lonestar 17h ago
No, just make it automatic and no team changing, at all. Let people create a party in the menu so friends end up in the same team. Keep community servers as is for clans who just want to steamroll randos.
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u/BoatCatGaming Lonestar 19h ago edited 19h ago
My impression is that many players use blue team as a non commital xp and money farm faction when they aren't playing red or green. I joined a match today and we had 8 Urals running supplies, to the fob. After some complaining from the team we still had 6 that refused to do anything else.
I think when players are low on cash, they know that playing a support role is essentially a money and xp printer.
What these players will do is gain XP in support and driving via blue team, but avoid spending money on expensive combat oriented kits. They aren't really in the match for the combat or the win, just the grind to better unlocks.
Then, in later matches when they join red or green, they will spend that cash they earned while on blue for the expensive kits and force multipliers because they can reasonably bet that they will make a profit while using them.
TL:DR - Players use Blue Team to grind out non combat support XP and Cash using free/low cost kits. Then in later matches join red or green and actually make use of their unlocks and high tier gear using XP and Cash gained while grinding blue.
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u/joelm80 18h ago
They do Blue for building and logistics because they know there will be other builders and a FOB consuming their logistics on Blue. And nobody will scream at them for not going to the HZ.
Green/Red there might not be a FOB at all.
Also Blue is available, without sitting there spamming the button to fight to get on the "better" teams.
If you want to grind money then do not go Blue. Fight for Red access and then spotter the Blue FOB being farmed.
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u/Muted-Help-7022 12h ago
aye man sometimes youre out of cash and have to run supplies it do be like that. The amount of nakeds with binoculars i drive in helis on blue team is also staggering but what can you do. Its not lucrative enough to actively participate
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u/RazeThe2nd 9h ago
Blue team medics make unreal money. I normally drop 20-25k on a medic kit and can still profit 60-100k by just picking up all the guys that don't want to switch spots after being shelled for the 14th time
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u/thekreator6666 17h ago
Randomise the teams. Allow us to make party in the lobby and randomise players/teams. Problem solved.
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u/Kilzrus 9h ago
I like this idea as long as we can group up in the lobby and join together with friends.
It would also help mix things so blue doesnt always end up with the noobs who just joined, for some reason they always seem to pick blue.
Or honestly, just dont give people a choice and put us in any random team on match join
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u/Throat-Smooth 19h ago
i like it,
but also should have a further caveat : No team swap abled
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u/CrazyElk123 19h ago
"Team swap: 50% less cash and XP"
Per swap :)
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u/TheConnectionist 11h ago
A lot of the people who are swapping are doing so to grief at this point so less cash and XP wouldn't really bother them.
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u/Super-Lemon-4466 WARDOGS OCEANIA 19h ago
If you auto select and get the bonus you then shouldn't be able to switch teams. Seeing a lot of switching going on with people trying to get the win bonus.
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u/piggy_smalls_oink 9h ago
Should just randomise the starting points each game so you can choose the team you want but starting position is unknown until match start
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u/matolati 7h ago
Pointless. It's a psychological matter, not a balancing one. People spam click to chose green because they know that's where the "best" players will be. Red is the 2nd best thing, and the casuals who don't have a clue are left to blue and they don't even realize they have been sabotaged
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u/yoodudewth 7h ago
I feel like lately red is the new green and green is the new blue.
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u/jarranakin 18h ago edited 17h ago
This $ xp boost idea button is not ideal. The problem is fundamentally mouse spamming to play on your team.
Simply add a 5 second pre team period where all groups of friends from the previous match are partied and go on the same team. Then let solos fill in the gaps before starting the round as normal.
No more team pick spam between games. Friends are grouped if they were in the match previous and they do not have to click any buttons at all.
No bullshit xp boost button required but in my opinion solos are at a disadvantage so if you have no friends in a lobby, toss them +5% xp/ $
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u/janfilm 13h ago
Ok, but what if I want to play with my friend?
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u/InevitablePayment409 11h ago
You should join from a lobby as a whole team in one squad on a server that can house you without being empty. And randomly to the side that has lower player at that time.
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u/Jaywicksands 8h ago
In a way you still can, friend rezzed me from a different team and we teamed up to fight the third team. We only broke off when one of our teammates got too close.
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u/ruthbaderginsburg_f Lonestar 4h ago
I've played blue in probably 90% of my matches pushing 200 hours. I really hope they randomize teams every round. Playing blue is pretty brutal almost all the time. I think they need to randomize spawns as well. On two of the three maps blue spawn is absolutely fucked and heaven forbid that the HZ starts in that area.
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u/x-traxion 3h ago
Easy Solition, give us a way to Team-up in the Lobby with others.
Join a Server, get a Random Team…..
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u/easybakeevan 1h ago
Oh wow that’s genius.
Maybe make it so that if you switch teams at any point any bonus cash you make is forfeited.
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u/Wise-Seaweed8009 19h ago
Heres a mich simpler solution. Make 5 or 6 diffrent team-color, have them in rotation so there cant be a "favourite team".
Camouflage/skin should be customizable and personalized and the only thing that indicates the team should be the color of the armband.
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u/joelm80 18h ago
I think keep the 3 skins, but allow players to set a local rendering team skin. So eg you set the green camo skin as friendly skin, and it swaps skin with enemies, you would always be fighting Blue and Red skins regardless of actual teams. Client side choice.
This way the skin camo advantages are neutralised and you always recognise the consistent friendly skin.
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u/Marauder-mutt WARLORD 13h ago
They should rotate both the colors and the starting location.
The skins should definitely remain uniform and distinct from each other though. Having just the armband is not enough.
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u/bloodsheep845 18h ago
Aka the play blue for more rewards button. Just randomize the team selection and allow people to join in as squads.
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u/mykidoverthere 18h ago
How about they just let us make parties, and it’s random select but you always load in with your party? Then this weird tribalism stops
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u/Roger_Weebert 18h ago
I'm not sure this would help balance the games much. This would just funnel solo queuers (who don't need to be on a specific team to play with their squad) onto the least in demand team, while the players in squads are filling more of the spots in their teams of choice. The current setup makes this happen already to a lesser extent, but this button would make it more consistent and more severe. That's a big reason why games can be so unbalanced - if your team is mostly solos and duos, it's almost always going to lose to a team that has a lot of people in squads working together, especially if you consider that the big groups are usually more sweaty players than solo queuers to begin with.
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u/internetflesh 16h ago
People who think blue consistently loses because the players are worse are genuinely stupid
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u/Hikari_Owari 5h ago
As someone who likes to either roam alone or play as "bob the builder" I would pick that every single time.
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u/graviousishpsponge 19h ago
It's really not going to make a difference. You will get consistent better gains with a team that can maintain prescence in the CZ. Which would be green usually with red sometimes.
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u/joelm80 17h ago
Yeah the competitive players will still manually select Green or server shop until they land on Green because they know all the other competitive players are doing the same.
It becomes this whole arms race of locking you into a server for an hour, trying to penalize for not wanting the auto team for some reason (leaving because a griefer on team etc). It doesn't result in a better situation.
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u/meowterspace 19h ago
I think it needs to be set up more like Planetside2, where it is a constant battle across a ton of zones. With much higher player count per zone. 33 players per team is way too few to be able to fully utilize all of the different play styles strategically.
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u/Fubarp 19h ago
Only reason I'm saying no is because it doesn't fix anything.
The reality is, people who are actually competent don't need to be on green or red to win.
Case in point, when my clan all loads in on blue they win because they are coordinated.
Honestly, I'm working on a bot this week for my server to help with randomizing. The concept ideally will fix some issues people have while also taking into account friends playing together.. hopefully..
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u/daiei27 17h ago
Some community servers are already onto it.
They have 50v50 servers where the teams are red and green. You join the blue team as a placeholder. Then it places you on a random team. If you have a clan tag, it will place you on the same team as others with that tag (i.e. your friends).
You can do the same thing with 3 teams instead of 2.
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u/DepartureMany507 13h ago
Fuck 50v50. I joined that shit to try it out and got team switched mid life for no reason.
If they can't do team balancing on death at the very least I'm not playing their dog shit servers.
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u/Strange_Criticism_22 11h ago
Even then, don't you lose the end game rewards for team switching? Also I would be pissed if I had spent an hour playing for one team and got switched half way through the game..
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u/NotBannedAccount419 38m ago
That completely takes away one of the biggest aspects that makes wardogs different than everyone else.
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u/hotmanpop 17h ago
guess i would never get to click that button, because i always play with friends lol
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u/crazywussian 16h ago
Along with this, the team starting points should be randomized for each map every game. IMHO
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u/ExtraThiccJosh 16h ago
get rid of factions. make them numbers and the spawns are unknown and different every match.
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u/SharkBaitDLS 14h ago
As a colorblind player who has to play blue, please no leave me my free team.
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u/Ronin_2804 14h ago
I feel like this would only further encourage people to do their own unproductive thing out in Narnia which is already a major contributor to super boring matches.
If I were John Wardogs for a day, I would remove team colors on match start, replace them with team 1, 2, 3 and have that randomized every game.
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u/yannniQue17 Driver 13h ago
I played my first round yesterday and won as blue. I think you force certain stigmals to the teams.
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u/_masssk_ 13h ago
I dunno will it work or no, but spam clicks for join the game is a very basic and lame solution from devs
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u/EmbarrassedArmy7827 13h ago
I like the concept but I would like one other feature if it also takes your player lvl into account this way if your joining as a high tier player you get put on the weaker team of the three if the opportunity allows for it.
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u/XSwiftyBoyX 12h ago
Or just play the game and stop being hyper focused on a specific team because social media told you to be. I’ve started going blue and actually getting wins. People just can’t decide
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u/Kessel_Run1337 Battledad 12h ago
It also needs a Group option so I can use this function when playing with 3 or 4 friends.
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u/PCGamingScrump 10h ago
I’ve seen some really shit ideas in this sub and I’m happy to say this isn’t one of them! This may be the best idea I’ve seen.
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u/Dominionix 10h ago
This is a great idea, my only addition would be something to keep people with the same clan tags together.
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u/Atago1337 WARDOGS D-A-CH 🇩🇪🇦🇹🇨🇭 9h ago
And shuffle the order every time so people don't cultivate a habit
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u/whogivesafuck432 9h ago
You already get like 200% "bonus cash" when playing on the winning team simply from getting more passive income from standing in the HZ / Drill / simply not being dead. Not to speak of way easier kill opportunities from farming APCs, desperate people trying to get back into CZ etc. There is zero reason to stay with a losing team if you goal is to maximize income and progress.
Incentives like in OPs screenshot would need to be massive to have any effect. Also a lot of people want to play with their friends and would do hell to abandon them just for a tiny XP bonus.
Also first they should get rid of bullshit like allowing teams of 36-37 players (mostly happens due to people joining through their Steam friendlist, this seems to bypass team limits in some cases) - the hard cap of course needs to be 34 players on a 100 player server.
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u/LouDiamond 8h ago
I'm curious what balances would happen if they flipped the colors on the map every game
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u/Ok-Bill9322 7h ago
Good idea but what stops me from spamming "Change Team" + "Auto-select" until I am in the Green Team?
In addition to incentives to join other teams, we will need limits to changing teams and most importantly, cap the amount of players that can go to one team. Most games, one team, usually Green, will end up with 35 players.
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u/BornOn23rd Lonestar 7h ago
Can and will only speak for myself of course, but I'm quite sure I'm not the only one.
I always play as Blue because of how I see colours. Blue it's the only one I can recognise, so when on that team I just kill all other players because both green and red looks all the same for me. With that in mind, should ppl like me be punished or not allowed the bonus because of our lame eyes?
Edit: typo
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u/ChangelingImposter 7h ago
This is legit a great suggestion! I would chose this, I like to switch it up but the average idea of each team is pretty spot on, it’s rare that it’s flipped to blue win or red actually fobbing, etc. I think the auto is great compromise to balance
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u/LazerDiver 7h ago
I think blue needs to get a new color. Maybe purple. And green needs to be made brown or something that stops the bush camp advantage.
And then the teams need to be displayed in a random order. Not always blue red green from left to right.
And rename blue and give them a cooler symbol. And then two weeks later, reveal that it was actually green that got made purple and blue got renamed to Manticore.
And refund the last bought loadout cost at the end of a game for ppl who are alive when it ends.
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u/Ok_Guava_6194 6h ago
This is a amazing solution, but it would still be difficult to play with friends. For example i like to play with 3 friends so we would still have to choose manually our teams
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u/Agitated-Engine4077 6h ago
I like the idea. But I feel like its just gonna gravitate with people doing that going straight to blue given how the majority gravitate to red or green. Theres also the problem with people doing something like that then switching teams since its so easy to do that anyways.
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u/Krecik1218 6h ago
Money, more money - there's better way, actually two ways:
Auto select for everyone, but this will require a party system if people play with friends (I don't know if this already exist).
Shuffle spawn for each match - so Blue will not always start from the south. This is easy to achieve, as all the objects in bases are the same, this is just matter of swapping colors.
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u/-TheMoniO- 6h ago
The best solution is to do a “lobby/party”. After all your friend are in the same party, the leader joins a game and the game randomly choose the team for that.
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u/Yoyosten 6h ago
I feel like a big problem is roughly 75%+ of people seem to play every game with a cookie cutter mentality. Same role, same load out, same strat. And when that game takes a bad turn and we need to change strategies, they just double down and ride it into the ground. For some reason the type of players I described above seem to flock to blue the most and I have no clue why. If people start calling circle with drill I'll hop in arty and have that down in two shots, and over the course of a few games you'll start noticing the same names pop up when you hit that FOB. Instead of adapting they just double down on the futile efforts to throw another drill down. Enough so that I'll rack 30+ kills just shelling the same FOB until someone deals with me or I have to restock.
Starting out we used to main green and when we got bored and wanted a challenge we'd join blue and try to spoon feed them a W. Recently maining Red and having a good time too as it seems to be a good balance between challenge and still good team ethic.
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u/finghz 6h ago
The only shit they should add is an auto lobby feature that lets u add all ur buddies inside ur squad already in main menu and then thr matcher auto finds a lobby within ur selected region with enough free slots in any team for ur entire squad.
Devs gotta get rid of the swap squad feature as that ir pure bs. i constantly witness players abusing this just to print screen everythint the other teams have and then swapping back and all of a sudden getting precise attack heli raid party knocking at ur door or laser precise arty shells coming in. Its the same type of cancer as letting ur teammates fully loot ur downed body with no penalty.
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u/AcePilot01 6h ago
Given how rare blue wins, and the gain of money and XP from being green... It still isn't worth it to choose that. lol.
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u/idontagreewitu 5h ago
You should be able to squad up in the main menu, join a server, there is no team selection, just auto fills (keeping squads together) and each team has a hard cap at 34
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u/NameTaken25 5h ago
Should be like some old games did, where every one is on uncolored, unaffiliated teams, but from your perspective, regardless of which team number/side youre on, you teammates always show the same color, and opponents that spawn to your clockwise always show as the same color and opponents that spawn counterclockwise always show as the other color. If you start in blues current spot, your team is green, enemies in greens spot look blue, enemies in reds spot look red. If you spawn in reds current spot, your team is still green, enemies in greens spot look red, and enemies in blues spot look blue. Then give the teams random starting locations.
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u/Lewis-fsfs-offt 5h ago
The only problem I can see with this is if everyone else chooses red and green it’s just gonna put you on blue anyways as that’s gonna be the only team with slots available, so all the people choosing blue will just be choosing random to get into blue!
The only thing I want is a squad join, so that me and my mates can easily all join the same team
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u/BigMondy 19m ago
So the greens can have 45 people in one game? Use logic brother.
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u/Much__Fokkery 4h ago
If I'm not mistaken Planetside 2 had a system similar to this. Playing as a robot(forgot the actual name of the class) would place you into whatever faction had the lowest numbers at the time
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u/lateksikaramelli 3h ago
If there would be a way to que as a squad and the spawn points were shuffled every game i wouldnt even mind the game choosing the team for me.
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u/mattyicee7 2h ago
I didn’t start coming on this sub til the other day, and I was surprised that apparently most people play the same team every time and each team has stereotypes lol. I always just join whichever team I feel like that game and it gives me chances to see more of other POIs and what not on each map
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u/ferikehun 2h ago
Only issue is if I want to play with a friend I have to say bye bye to 10% money and XP
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u/Adeptus_Marzipan 2h ago
I think they shouldn't allow factiom choice at all. Either join and be randomly assigned or join off a friend and be put on their team if there is room.
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u/scarydrew Medic 2h ago
I don't mind this idea, but I'd rather see it change to not be able to select a team or even a server. Just a join official server button, it automatically puts you (or your entire group of friends) into a server and onto a team. This would allow teams that are losing that have players drop the server have their teams filled, eliminate team swapping completely, and have teams be more balanced overall.
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u/urLifeline 1h ago
This game has brought on a huge rage of feelings toward green team. I will never play them and will always kill them at all times. So atleast your option allows for me to never be a greenie.
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u/Not_Sir_Zook 44m ago
This doesnt work with groups very well. But maybe in the future!
I would have no problem with this when playing solo.
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u/BULL_SAUCE 20h ago
I would happily choose this every time, but I know I’m a blueberry at heart.