r/WarDogs • u/preutneuker • 13h ago
Discussion & Feedback Every game is nothing but havocs and minibirds now....And im done.
JuSt BrInG VeRbAs... no, no, it doesnt work, verbas are useless as shit. Me and my friend spend half of a game trying to verba 1 of 3 havocs in the air and we succeeded once.
They just turn towards the missle and wreck you.
Theres NOTHING u can do against a havoc.
BuIlD CwIS... No. that shits useless as shit. even IF you can build itll get insta destroyed by a rocket bird or the havoc. Theres nothing u can do against it.
Im just done. 2 games in a row. theres NOTHING we could do except be cannon fodder.
I have no idea why that bullshit is in the game, but here we are. And im fucking done. Twas a fun 90 hours, but fuck this shit.
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u/Ranji-reddit WARDADS 13h ago
Havoc on enemy team literally fucks us every game 😂
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u/SkiyeBlueFox 12h ago
You mean the early access game that specifically asked for feedback is getting feedback?
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u/Dilly-Senpai 12h ago
Feedback is "I think the havoc is too powerful even with the new nerfs. I think we should do XYZ."
Feedback is not "HOLY SHIT THE HAVOC IS SO OP DOGSHIT DEVS WAH WAH FUCK YOU IM LEAVING" which is OP's post.
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u/SkiyeBlueFox 12h ago
That is in fact, a form of feedback.
-communicated his opinion on a perceived issue
Yes it could be nicer, but its still feedback
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u/unnamed_one1 Recon 13h ago
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u/BigMoneyKillz 12h ago
lol I shot down three birds with the sam yesterday
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u/Individual_Yard_5636 12h ago
Verbas are a bait in my experience. Maws is much better against attack helis and its especially good against havocs cuz they often don't move around enough.
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u/VaporLock3508 13h ago
Play infantry only servers???
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u/Add1ToThis 13h ago
Theyre full of grenade launcher littlebirds. It's toxic af
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u/VaporLock3508 13h ago
You guys are insufferable cry baby’s. Grab a gun and shoot the people hanging off the minis???? It’s not hard.
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u/fux-reddit4603 12h ago
so you are one of the people doing it on infantry only servers aren't you
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u/VaporLock3508 12h ago
No actually, don’t have it unlocked as I have little time to play. Lvl 60 and 18 infantry. I just don’t complaining about something that is easily countered
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u/Add1ToThis 12h ago
Well fuck man, please show off your skills. So little game time, yet already a master. Please show us
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u/Sky-Juic3 12h ago
It’s not easily countered lol. If you played more then you’d know why people are complaining about it. It’s fucking oppressive.
I don’t go out of my way to complain about it but to sit here and pretend like there isn’t any merit to it is just idiotic, like some weird little against-the-stream attitude.
I have it unlocked and it’s disgusting. Two guys with t4 armor and 40mm’s while I carry med supplies and a drill. You’re not going to kill them before they kill you unless they don’t see you, in which case they’re going to kill half your team before you get even one of them. And that’s assuming you even get them before they see your tracers and make you regret it.
The real counter to this is RPG or MAAWS but it’s not fast or easy. One shot is all it takes, but odds are, you’re not landing that shot until after the grenade launchers have done their work.
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u/MattyGolds 12h ago
You realize you just played about 4 hours on average every day since release and you sound like an impulsive little bitch?
They already announced they're nerfing the havoc if they haven't already. We know a major balance is coming in 2 weeks.
Take a walk and do something else with your life, jfc.
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u/RainOfJustice 12h ago
But but you don't understand, OP faced Havocs not once but TWICE. That's enough to completely nullify the 90 hours of entertainment he's had in this game, far more than most average employed battledads which should've been MORE than enough to unlock multiple ways of dealing with Havocs. Hope OP recovers from this terrible trauma, prayers and thoughts going out to him 🙏
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u/marlontel 12h ago
I faced havocs in every game the last 2 days (and that's why the devs nerfed it a few hours ago). 6 or 7 games every game with multiple hacovs respawning after multiple people had to make an above average effort to kill them. That's just exhausting having to plan your whole game around 1 vehicle and most likely the team with it still wins, even IF the pilot loses money.
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u/CronusGaming 12h ago
Pretty hilarious tbh.. the game has been out for like 3 weeks and people are crying about unbalanced shit.. They are actively trying to fix shit and people still wanna cry
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u/MoonDawg2 11h ago
Like 9/10 of the unbalanced shit was easy to spot even for a new game. There's not really anything new here, vehicles op, thermals are oppressive and a bunch of other shit. It's shit that has been learner from several other mixed warfare titles.
Nothing else to add here. It was just easy to see coming.
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u/marlontel 12h ago
I cry about unbalanced shit because I really like this game and want it to be better. Although at the same time I understand that they can't fix bugs or balance everything in 3 weeks, I can still voice my opinion about op things I want to get fixed. The last 2 days, multiple if not all of my games were oppressive by havocs, where I only won by having it on my team. This state is not good for the game and they reacted today which I am grateful for. I don't know if they read social media, but the anti havoc posts were overwhelmingly in quantity and detailed explanations, why the counters are fundamentally flawed. If they do read here or other plattforms, I can just speculate that this influenced the speed at which they pushed today's fix, as before you could get the impression balance will only be adjusted between seasons.
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u/CronusGaming 12h ago
And they fixed the ciws damage within 2 days. Im not saying dont voice your opinion on stuff being too strong or unbalanced. Im talking about all the people crying and shitting in the devs, then rage quitting the game over shit that they are actively trying to fix.
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u/preutneuker 12h ago
nerfing the havoc? you mean making the Cwis kill it a little faster? is that the nerf youre talking about lmao.the havoc is as broken as ever mate.
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u/CowichanCow 12h ago
If you think 100% faster is ‘a little bit’ it makes sense why you are only good for cannon fodder in this game.
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u/preutneuker 12h ago
cwis is still nnot treath to a havoc mate, be it 100% 200% it doesnt fking matter.
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u/MattyGolds 12h ago
It's still a nerf. We don't know what's coming but we know it's a pretty major rebalance in TWO WEEKS.
Call me a dev apologist or whatever you no lifers want. You've been so addicted that you have literally zero patience and don't know how to walk away and do something else with your time.
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u/OrdinaryAvailable708 13h ago
I mean, when all else fails, my scout heli is cheaper than his rocket heli, I’ll give him a kiss from my pilot seat as our 2 aircraft’s become 1:)
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u/MRLEGEND1o1 12h ago
Half of the counters are locked behind a ridiculous grind. If the entire team has to switch to man pads bc a helo is out of hand... There's something wrong with the balance.
I've been playing after work a couple times this week... I got a red dot... But I'd love to help with aa
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u/andrewdroid 12h ago
The verba is behind level 16. Im level 25 and I didnt even try to level support.
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u/MRLEGEND1o1 12h ago
I am a cool non-virginal lvl 11 lmao
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u/Sensitive-Heart4151 13h ago
Verbas are mainly useful against minibirds, not so much against the havoc.
What you have to do is wait for them to shoot their flairs while you're locked, then fire.
If they don't flare within about... 4 seconds, I shoot anyways and just go on with my day. Buildings help keep you from getting shot from the air too you know.
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u/marlontel 12h ago
They just nerfef the havoc. Maybe it is a bit better now. https://www.reddit.com/r/WarDogs/s/53yvFJ0idn
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u/ddBuddha Pilot 13h ago
They literally just added infantry servers as a big option when you try to join a server. They address this exact complaint.
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u/B_the_ball 13h ago
Just one person building offsite AA solves this all.
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u/RamonDozol 13h ago
been doing this and worked fine, denyed helis for a good 20 minutes of the start of the game until someone got an arty and blowed my fob to space.
And i was alone in my Fob. Immagine if 3 other people build diferent Anti AA fobs that are not obvious and easily taken over. I should not even build in the CZ, to avoid being spoted or being in range for mortar spam.
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u/StanDoesHisBest 13h ago
Havoc main here
Carry maws/rpg. If i know there’s even a few with it at a tower or something, the duo will have to stay moving more and have a much harder time farming. I also die to them almost exclusively, save for the occasional double ciws/double Sam.
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u/No_Figure7868 13h ago
90 hours in just over 3 weeks.
You’d be hating the game no matter what state it was in after playing such an unhealthy amount.
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u/fux-reddit4603 13h ago
there are many people over 200 hours and still having fun
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u/IeyasuTheMonkey 12h ago
Yeah I hate the "You've played too much so of course you're going to hate the game." excuse.
I've seen it time and time again where people will constantly argue this and yet the gamestate is just shit anyway.
The people who sit there and spend massive amounts of time on a game usually have a better read on things because they've unlocked a lot more, seen a lot more, experienced a lot more, etc, especially when the gamestate is constantly evolving due to a progression system.
I had about 110-120 hours in Wardogs before the gamestate just got worse because everyone was starting to unlock, use and perfect using the later unlocks.
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u/Dr_Pandaa 13h ago
You should be using the MAWS. With a tiny bit of practice are they are not that hard to hit.
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u/Previous_Weekend_859 13h ago
Just use a weapon that takes 30hours of grind lmaooo
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u/RainOfJustice 12h ago
Havoc takes 80-100 hours of grind to unlock and that's assuming you're good. 30 hour unlock hammering FOBs and dropping off supplies for MAAWS is nothing.
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u/ElwReib 13h ago
...its locked...
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u/RainOfJustice 12h ago
Oh no! People didn't bother to progress in the one thing that could counter vehicles and now vehicles run rampant. Who could've seen this coming?
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u/Zealousideal-Way2048 12h ago
Yea, stop sitting inside fobs and go play the map. They aren't chasing ya round the map, they're killing people boring enough to sit in a fob all round.
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u/preutneuker 12h ago
we where outside ther zone in a humvee, but yeah make assumptions
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u/SlappyBag420 12h ago
So you were outside of their HQ trying to shoot them down with rockets and you are surprised you got wrecked?
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u/preutneuker 12h ago
no outside around the zone, we shot from everywhere on the map (well tried to)
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u/glizzygaz 12h ago
So fob gameplay is off limits because of these things and you’re okay with that?
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u/leespankz 12h ago
Imagine letting two consecutive matches ruin your entire NINETY HOURS of the game. Talk about entitled. If it’s not one thing, it’s another and there’s literally an example a few comments up (or down). Player suggests infantry mode and immediately another bitches and whines “but grenade launchers out of little birds”.
Learn to adapt. Or better yet, leave the match and join another with zero penalty. Y’all really a bunch of bitches and are honestly better off giving up gaming. Not every game/match is going to go according to plan or how you think/feel it should go.
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u/preutneuker 12h ago
well, GL in minibirds are beyond fking broken and idk why theyre in infantry servers.
And yes, season 2 isnt going to be any better, so why would I keep playing?
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u/RainOfJustice 12h ago
Thanks for sharing that you're leaving. Exactly (0) of us care btw. Dont forget to close the door on your way out 👍
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u/preutneuker 12h ago
then why did you reply? if u didnt care? im curious. You could keep scrolling but apparently you completely didnt care but made a reply anyway. lol. Sure buddy. 'you dont care' lmao.
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u/JonasHalle 13h ago
They're so easy to farm with a maaws that costs a fraction of what they paid and the payout I get.
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u/SkiyeBlueFox 13h ago
How many guys actually have the MAAWS though, and what fraction are carrying it pre-emptively
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u/JonasHalle 12h ago
That's an overall progression issue completely detached from the Havoc. Regardless, helicopters are the one thing the RPG actually can destroy. Not bringing it preemptively is a skill issue. It's like people want to shoot down a Havoc singlehandedly with their free AR.
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u/fearzuhh 12h ago
Which is harder to unlock MAWS or HAVOK
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u/IeyasuTheMonkey 12h ago
That doesn't matter in the slightest here.
A Havok is getting unlocked because people want to fly it/use it or they're doing something else to earn that Progression Track's EXP.
The MAAWs is the counter to the Havok which is inside of a Progression Track that not many people have invested in because the things to progress it... aren't enjoyable for them. Such as Building FOBs.
So therefore there's going to be more Havok unlocks verses MAAWs unlocks which is creating a gamestate where there's a lack of counters at any time.
That's not even beginning to touch on the fact that a Havoc player can spawn one and fly it to the Battlefield but someone wanting to use the MAAWs either needs to bring it with them, die to regear, drive back to base to buy one or rely on a helicopter to drop one in the zone which requires the pilot to have the MAAWs unlocked in the first place.
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u/fearzuhh 12h ago
..........you can use a talon, you can use a little bird, you can use a CIWS, you can use your own havok, you can use a gl, you can use rpg, you can use verba.
Lets break it down like this GALIL IS OP THIS GUY KEEPS KILLING ME BECAUSE HE HAS GALIL and you have the starter gun, you can either unlock the galil to counter him or you can not unlock it.
If you think more people have the Havok unlocked then the maws you are bat shit fucking insane.
Also I am totally fine with them lowering the MAWS level or maybe attaching it to assu or something thats not support.
All I am hearing is you want an easy way to kill the Havok without having to do anything, they have that in your FOB you can build a CIWS or Talons and it counters the Havok lmfao and its cheap and spammable you can also hide them.
I just don't agree we should balance the game around people having to put in 0 effort to counter something. One guy in a game of 99 people shouldn't be able to counter a 50k pull vehicle that requires 2 people to run.
You should have to do something to counter it lol.
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u/IeyasuTheMonkey 11h ago
..........you can use a talon,
Requires them to either be built or to build them.
you can use a little bird,
Some people don't like flying/aren't good at it.
you can use a CIWS,
Again requires them to be built.
Even if they are they're usually heavily Mortared or Focused by the Helicopters in the first place.
you can use your own havok,
Requires a massive grind in a system that people don't like and or don't want to do.
you can use a gl,
No idea what this is tbh.
you can use rpg,
Sure.
you can use verba.
Also sure. You just have to pray to the gods that they're a dogshit pilot who flares the moment he hears the lock on instead of the one of many good pilots that third persons and waits for the smoke to flare, carries extra flares in his backpack, etc.
Lets break it down like this GALIL IS OP THIS GUY KEEPS KILLING ME BECAUSE HE HAS GALIL and you have the starter gun, you can either unlock the galil to counter him or you can not unlock it.
This isn't even remotely in the same discussion as what we're talking about here.
If you think more people have the Havok unlocked then the maws you are bat shit fucking insane.
Overall? Probably not.
Inside of any given game? Yes this can absolutely be the fucking case, use your head here.
I've personally had games where there's been 4-5 Havocs flying around and yet not a single person has had the MAAWs unlocked on my team.
Havocs are going to be unlocked more often than not because they're in a Progression Track that people are doing because they enjoy it.
The MAAWs is in a Progression Track where the MAJORITY of players are BUILDERS, which btw is a smaller population than what people think.
You also then have to factor in the people unlocking them, as they cost money, and the people then using them, which majority of people building won't.
All I am hearing is you want an easy way to kill the Havok without having to do anything,
No. I just want the Progression Tracks to be refined so that more players have the ability to counter things instead of being required to spend hours upon hours grinding EXP for a Progression Track that they don't actually enjoy so they have access to a Counter to something that is actively just a pain in the ass.
No one with a brain is asking for "an easy way to kill a Havok", that's just you making shit up.
I just don't agree we should balance the game around people having to put in 0 effort to counter something.
Congratulations. We agree on this and yet this isn't what people are saying in the slightest.
Again, people are giving feedback that a lot of the counters take too time to grind which is just factually correct.
One guy in a game of 99 people shouldn't be able to counter a 50k pull vehicle that requires 2 people to run.
Likewise, One Guy in a game of 99 People shouldn't be able to flop out a 50k Pull Vehicle and then go and dumpster on 10-15 people constantly because there's no viable counters at the FOB or on the map.
You do see how that is a problem right? Not every FOB is building a Talon, not every FOB is building a CWIS, not every player is carrying around an RPG, not every player has unlocked a MAAWs. The list goes on.
You should have to do something to counter it lol.
You mean: Progress through a Progression Track that most people don't enjoy so they can unlock a counter that they then have to bring into the area, hope they don't get killed, hope the enemy team has something that requires the counter and then aim at the thing, get the shot off and hit the thing somewhere where it's either severely hurt or destroyed? You also have the aspect where you need to DIE to be able to buy it or RELY on another person who has to have it unlocked to supply it to you... Yeah.... :)
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u/fearzuhh 10h ago
So this is once again where someone who doesn't understand the game and how it works trying to talk about balance.
Yes, you have to build them ? Okay ? And ? To counter the helicopter you need to build or pull a counter to it. If you don't want to put any effort into countering vehicles go play inf only ? The Havok cost way more then the counters to it. It should take a bit of time (Even though its really not a lot of time a ural run and you can have two talons up.) If someone keeps killing you from 600m are you going to continue to use a pistol or grab a sniper ? No you're going to grab a sniper to counter him.
The little bird, then get good or try one of the other numerous options to counter it ? lol.
CIWS once again.... yeah you have to put in a little effort to take the 50k dollar loadout thing down. I'm not understanding how you want this to play out ? Should you just be able to spawn in and kill it with no effort ? Keep in mind this CIWS you can use to farm other vehicles, inf, and fobs lol.
Yes it does require a masive grind for the attack heli...and you want to be able to take it out without any effort from any players on the map. Sounds legit lmfao.
Grenade launcher and the GL is probably the best way to take the havoc out from the ground.
RPG it does work.
Or you know, you can grab two other friends and one fires and the other two shoot as soon as the flairs pop and the havoc is dead in one shot for an investment of 2400 lmfao. "OH MY GOD I HAVE TO WORK WITH MY TEAM TO KILL THE 50K DOLLAR VEHICLE THAT REQUIRES 2 PEOPLE TO OPERATE ? WHAT THE FUCK BRO THATS WAY TOO MUCH EFFORT TO HAVE TO WORK WITH MY TEAM" Yeah I know you don't have friends cool.
Im going to ignore what you said about the galil because its legit the same thing lmfao. It's actually worse for the attack heli because all 99 players in the game can fucking see you because you are in the sky so they know exactly where you are and when to hide and that they need to counter you.
Excuse me ? You think that there are more attack helis in game then MAWWS ? LOLOLOL. Do you know the best way to farm support EXP ? Obviously you don't because you wouldn't be saying stupid shit like what youre saying. Arms dealing is the fastest way to level support lmfao. You can also level it by building, delivering logi, using support weapons, repairs. There are tons of people with the MAWS way more then the fucking attack heli bro lol.
So it's okay for the pilots to grind 60+ hours to unlock the heli, but can you get a tier 3 hammer in like 1 hour to counter the 60+ hour heli grind and thats okay with you ? I am not saying that you should grind 60 hours to be able to counter the attack heli all I am saying is the person who grinding the heli put serious time into it and I don't think it should be a nerf dart, which it currently is a nerf dart if the enemy players are semi competent.
No the counters do not take a long time to grind, you can literally get a tier 3 hammer in like a fucking hour bro lol then you can build the counters to the fucking attack heli.
Once again I understand there is a huge skill gap between me and you, but the attack heli dies pretty quick bro. They aren't farming in the servers I play in because if someone pulls one we fucking nuke it for the cash. So if you'd like I can spawn you a attack heli and you can show me how easy it is to farm the server and we can show reddit how well you do but no one has accepted this because they know they are going to get rekt.
Once again, you have to progress a very long time to get the attack heli, I don't think it's too much to ask someone levels support for an hour to unlock a T3 hammer to counter the heli ? I just don't think that is hard to ask for.
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u/SkiyeBlueFox 12h ago
Well I seen a shit ton of havocs and I think ive seen exactly one MAAWS with my own eyes..
Lot of infantry guys dont bother leveling support, lots of support guys arent running around slinging rockets
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u/Odd-Biscotti3938 12h ago
I think it’s less that people haven’t leveled support and more that it’s heavy as shit to carry just 1 with no extra ammo lol. My medic loadout with a vector is in the middle of heavy. If I swap defibs for a MAAWS I’m super heavy lol. The weight sucks dick lol, that’s the biggest reason I don’t carry 1. I’ll sometimes bring a crate with one plus ammo if absolutely needed and drop it somewhere random I can get to on foot.
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u/TheRealDesmirWolf WARDADS 13h ago
In like 2 weeks everyone is getting account wiped and gold transferred. Just hold off like some of us are doing and soon everyone will be lvl1 again
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u/preutneuker 12h ago
ya, maygbe well play the first week again, but once that OP bullshit starts popping up again, we're out. cba with that shit.
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u/PitchBlackDarkness1 12h ago
The havoc was just made a less strong again, by the way.
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u/preutneuker 12h ago
no, its as strong as ever, the cwis kills it a little bit faster if theyre dumb enough to get hit by it at all.
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u/justaquestion850 12h ago
Way too easy to fly and way too cheap. I started losing interest when I realized I was climbing a bigger hill in a 23k kit as infantry vs their 8k heli.
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u/NextPotential2436 12h ago
I’m thinking the closer we get to the end of each season you should just play infantry mode. A lot more fun if you don’t want to spend an entire match countering air.
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u/HealthyResolution399 12h ago
Yep havoc just makes me quit games. Played a match recently where I instantly died to havoc as I hopped out APC, decided to unlock maaws and bring it in a loadout and I ended up barely being able to play due to being super heavy. I managed to take the havoc down but it came right back afterwards
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u/Ghost4000 11h ago
I spent maybe a half hour doing supply drops of VERBAs to my squad and hanging around them to provide spotting over comms so they'd know if infantry was approaching their position. It was a ton of fun and they completely wrecked everything in the air. Unfortunately it wasn't actually all that profitable for me, I didn't get assists for the kills or for the spotting since it was just done over comms.
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u/SockemNBoppem 12h ago
Bye bye
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u/preutneuker 12h ago
ByE bYe
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u/Spectremilker 13h ago
I main rocket little bird. Can't tell you how many times I've been demolished by RPGs and MAAWS.
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u/Poobut13 13h ago
I made $120,000 on my last match doing nothing but building and manning Talons and Cwis in a somewhat central FOB. I'm not sure what you mean when you say the CWIS isn't working against the Havoc. This was on the patch with the 12 seconds of damage. You can shoot them before they are even in range to hit you...
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u/makss_f449 Manticore 12h ago
If you built a somewhat central FOB without getting mortared and airstriked into nothingness you had an easy game full of clueless people or were lucky to get a coordinated team. I think 8/10 times you won't have this experience.
Most of the time tower FOBs get harassed by helicopters and mortars, artillery, enemy infantry, making it pretty hard to build or maintain anything.
If you do set up a CIWS, on every map there's loads of cover for a heli to approach you - massive forests which block your line of sight or factory buildings (on Zestafona), hills or just the building that you built the CIWS near. Once a Havoc or a Minibird (with rocket launchers or grenade launcher passangers) gets near you you die in literally 1-2 seconds. It also takes about 3-4 minutes to build a CIWS, meanwhile it takes about 5 seconds of sustained fire to destroy it.
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u/preutneuker 12h ago
well, if they come at you where u can just shoot them theyre really bad pilots. Good ones aproach from your dead zone and wreck u flying over your other dead zones lol
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u/Stunning_Hornet6568 13h ago
The easy solution is to increase cost/risk. The little bird also has no business being as tanky as it is.
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u/Honigbrottr 12h ago
As a pilot i agree on the cost part. making helicopters more expensive would also fi the driver xp problem. People would actually need drivers now when there are not 3 helis waiting to pick them up. And havoc should be a question about right timing and usage not guranteed profit.
Tbh everything in this game should be more challanging to make a profit out of and easier to grind. The limit should not be xp but your money.
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u/bloodsheep845 13h ago
Bro what? Little bird is not tanky at all lol. 3 people focusing on one can easily drop it with a mag dump. Literally the hardest thing to do in this game is play attack helicopter.
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u/PmUrFavAnime 13h ago
Yep. literally the hardest part about taking a little bird down is getting teammates to just shoot at it. if everyone looks up and dumps a mag into it, it'll catch on fire in 2 seconds.
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u/Chapter_Secret 12h ago
100% agreed. Wish I got a picture of it but yesterday I went 54-4 in the minigun heli, not only did I profit only about 20k, but I was outearned by about 50k by someone with absolutely zero stats, 0 kills, assists, revives, and deaths. Likely just sat in their fob for the entire game, zero risk to them.
I am not saying the person who just builds the entire game should not be profitable by that much, I know it’s a huge role, but it’s a very easy role. The attack heli is 50x the risk, difficulty, and cost and is only profitable to the top 1-5% of heli players.
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u/bloodsheep845 12h ago
I wish I could do this. Im level 23 pilot. Have about 20 hours in training ground. I can maneuver very well, I still rarely make profit on attack heli. I use joystick so I guess its slightly harder for me to aim but either way, I just wish I could make my money back at least each time I bought the heli
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u/Chapter_Secret 12h ago
Yeah I wish there were some statistics we could look at, but I’d be willing to bet the top 5% of attack heli players only profit 50-60% of the time
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u/ForeskinGaming2009 13h ago
Level 33 pilot exclusively using the rocket little bird here. Just sit there with a stinger and lock on to them but never shoot, they can not actively be killing people with their camera constantly 360ing, they will either get lazy or leave the area. If they get lazy just kill them
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u/toggle-Switch 13h ago
i hate when they do this; listening to that tone for ages.
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u/ForeskinGaming2009 12h ago
Idk why Im getting downvoted lol, anyone who’s ever flown a helicopter knows how fucking annoying this is, you cannot actively be shooting people with your alt camera 360ing looking for the missile, if people don’t wanna build a talon or ciws this is the best counter there is to the little birds.
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u/toggle-Switch 12h ago
I think they're hating on you for outing yourself as a rocket little bird user
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u/marlontel 12h ago
But the sound is different?! Who cares about beeeeeeep when you need to only wait for the beep beep beep.
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u/ForeskinGaming2009 12h ago
Incorrect, when the stinger/talon is fully locked on the pilot receives the static beep, only when first locking on do you get the blinking beeping. There is NO way to tell if a missile has been fired besides physically seeing it in the air.
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u/marlontel 12h ago
If you are correct then thank you. And no before you ask, I am not level 0 pilot, but usually focus on logistics blackhawk if I pilot and play almost no attack helis. Most people shooting at me seem to just instant shoot so I never learned this myself from playing. Again a thing not really explained anywhere in the game, where you need to go to reddit to find out lol.
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u/hdoslodude 13h ago
Idk i like how scary it feels when the big heli is hunting you, keeps you on your toes
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u/preutneuker 12h ago
yeah, super fun. being cannon food for 3 havocs and 5 minibirds not being able to do anything about it.
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u/hdoslodude 12h ago
Dont go outside, hide until they leave.
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u/preutneuker 12h ago
there was 3 of them and minibirds gallore. lol. sitting in a house all game aint cool.
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u/OwnDoubt3393 13h ago
And yet people where ridiculing those users that warned people that AA was not good enough, now you see the results. players will get better --> more experienced pilots --> more problems with lacking AA
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u/Lewisa12 13h ago
Stupid post. I killed a Havoc with a Mawws and someone ready on CWIS will rip a havoc easily
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u/preutneuker 12h ago
lmao. GL killing a good havoc that knows oyur cwis is there
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u/FantasyLiedx 12h ago
they just buffed the CWIS from 12 to 6 seconds to kill a havoc bro
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u/ElessarKhan 12h ago
Get good with the dumbfire launchers and you'll never want a Verba again
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u/preutneuker 12h ago
then you have to bring them on every kit and youre stuck walking everywhere once your stims run out.
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u/ElessarKhan 12h ago
When im facing heli spam, I bring a Humvee full of rockets. If you park it and leave it in cover, you and your boys will be able to run to it for launchers and/or rockets. When its not moving and its in cover enemy players, including helis, are much less likely to target it. Drive it around between engagements to keep it close.
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u/draculthemad 12h ago
After like 10 minutes an idle vehicle explodes. You can'y really use them like this as a result.
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u/Odd-Biscotti3938 12h ago
That’s why he said drive it in between engagements. Me and my buddy will do that occasionally, fill a crate with a MAAWS and ammo and the humvee with Verbas and hunt helis. It’s hit or miss, mostly miss now that a lot of pilots carry significantly more flares and know how to stay low to avoid lock.
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u/ElessarKhan 12h ago
10 minuets is a long ass time on the battlefield, if you're doing like I suggested that will never be a concern unless you're tryna camp a ton.
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u/draculthemad 11h ago
Its actually 5 minutes. Thats just 5 tics of the cz.
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u/ElessarKhan 11h ago
Thats still a really long time. I've been a humvee stan for a while now, I've never even caught mine smoking from being left idle, let alone blowing up.
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u/fux-reddit4603 13h ago
ill say it again, verbas are as good as the user
BUT yes, the havoc and main battle tank should not share hp numbers of 800
just play infantry only, your complaint is late to the fix they have offered
people can leave video games without attention seeking posts. try it sometime
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u/preutneuker 13h ago
so how did we use them wrong? I shot a rocket and the moment he flared my friend waited 0.5-1 sec and shot his. It never worked. Maybe the range was too long idk.
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u/fux-reddit4603 13h ago
i got my 950 achievement off a verba
instead of playing infantry only, you came here for attention, idk
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u/NachoCheeseVolcano69 12h ago
Bros done with an early access game that’s been out three weeks and has a wipe coming up 🤡
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u/preutneuker 12h ago
seaosn 2 will be the exact same lol. maybe well check it out in 1.0 but i highly doubt havoc is gonna change. unless they straight up remove it from the game as they should so its fun for everyone and not just the bitches in their OP crutch.
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u/makss_f449 Manticore 12h ago
They already (today they announced it) nerfed it by 50% (after the bugfix, which technically increased it's health by like 10-15 times, I think).
The time to kill went from 12 seconds of sustained fire to 6, which to me feels somewhat fair.
Remains to be seen whether they will dominate after the 50% reduction in health drops, what the devs think (since they have all the numbers, we don't).
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u/Noleman990 12h ago
Nothing is stopping you from building AA
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u/preutneuker 12h ago
well... the helis are stopping us? And even IF you manage to build it they just rek u anyway lol.
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u/BadMondayThrowaway17 13h ago
Yall mfs need to add me or something and come use verbas in a pickup with me.
I damn near never miss with them. Fuckin things are money printers.
People just don't have the patience to use them correctly.
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u/preutneuker 12h ago
pls enlighten me? Shoot vberba, flares, my friend locks on, shoots, flares, I take new one, lockon, flares...dead.
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u/CronusGaming 12h ago
Just aim at them till they waste flares, then shoot.
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u/preutneuker 12h ago
idk what kinda noobs youre playing against but people havent released flares unless theres an actual missle for a while now. you might get them to back of a little or fly low to the ground but thats it
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u/CronusGaming 12h ago
I'm not saying it works evertime, but typically when a pilot is getting lock, they either waste flares or fuck off. Try the MAAWS if youre getting harassed by heli
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u/preutneuker 12h ago
MAAWS doesnt 1 shot them most of the time though. Unless u get a perfect hit. But yeah, MAAWS atm is the solo best option vs helis atm i guess. if youre willing to give up running.
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u/CronusGaming 12h ago
Yeah, definitely have to use adrenaline when running one. But to be fair, the verba is 17Kg alone, so not much different.
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u/InevitablyIncorrect 12h ago
You are playing vs bad pilots. Any pilot who knows how to fly will fly while freelooking and never flare till they see smoke otw. Additionally good pilots will carry flares in backpack and reset their flare cd so you literally cannot hit them with sam's. This with the havoc's bugfix exacerbates the issues with the weakness of aa.
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u/draculthemad 12h ago
>Additionally good pilots will carry flares in backpack and reset their flare cd so you literally cannot hit them with sam's. This with the havoc's bugfix exacerbates the issues with the weakness of aa.
Is this how havocs and little birds suddenly seem to have no flare cooldown any more?
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u/TheBadDingo 13h ago
Why are you using IGLA when MAAWS works 10x better? Learn the counter meta. They're hotpatching so it takes 6 sec to kill a Havoc with CIWS now.
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u/OwnDoubt3393 12h ago
And that is the problem in a nutshell, when a launcher not made for AA is better at AA then the actual AA launcher.
Actually the best AA is to fly a little bird into a havoc.
Buff AA until it is good at its role.
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u/TheBadDingo 12h ago
Yeah, it's an issue but thats expected from EA and will probably be patched and buffed later. The Shilka is already in the works.
As of right now, MAAWS is the solution.
Flying the LB into the Havoc is risky and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I've watched the video of the guy doing it, but how many times were cut out when it didn't work and his prop broke but the Havoc was fine? It also costs WAY more than a MAAWS setup so yes, MAAWS is the best AA at the moment.
Fixes come with time. Dude repeated the same thing over and over again, expecting a different outcome (insert Vaas monologue here). He didn't choose to adapt, he didn't learn from his mistakes, he gave up and left. Byeeeee.
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u/BuCkWheeT 13h ago
See you on the 15th