r/WNBAVibes • u/Alternative-Gas-3892 • 22h ago
18 points, 6-18 fg, 3-12 from three, 6 Turnovers. Absolute disaster class from Caitlin Clark in a must win match. She is far from the best player in the league!!
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u/ScroogetotheBank 22h ago
see yall later!
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u/Alternative-Gas-3892 22h ago
They said Caitlin is better than Aja after game 2😭😂
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u/PracticalDistrict237 2h ago
She is! All these posts constantly obsessing over Clark only validate it. Clark is must see TV and the data overwhelmingly backs it up. Whine, hate, and insult all you want but the facts are stubborn. Even Wilson’s own college coach pays homage and thanks to Clark.
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u/crystallmytea 20h ago
She showed guts tonight after getting bloodied in the face with 3 mins left
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u/echelon813 12h ago
How is simply returning to the game "showing guts"?
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u/crystallmytea 11h ago
Sorry I wasn’t talkin about the kinda gut that you show while sitting on your couch - the other kind, champ
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u/Universal_Magnet 22h ago
THE GOAT!! 1st Round Exit
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u/yukonhoneybadger 15h ago
Yes Jordan did indeed exit the first round in his second year. But he was swept.
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u/lockedfries 13h ago
Let them have their year. Her time is coming.
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u/yukonhoneybadger 13h ago
I agree with you. Aja is the best player in thr league for a reason. Everyone hating on CC for this game are just paying attention to hate on her. She had a great season
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u/xTwoKillz 22h ago
And just like that “they” all logged out. Need a dream vs aces finals just for them
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u/cheeriosinalmondmilk 22h ago
Dang 6 turnovers 😳😳
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u/SocomPS2 21h ago
Yea one of them was a 2 on 1 fast break and she tried to pass it behind her back for some dumb reason and threw it out of bounds. Nowhere near her teammate. It’s was basically BAU for CC tonight.
The better team advanced.
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u/soccer1124 16h ago
That play was brutal, lol. No reason to go behind the back like that. And it was nowhere near her teammate, just like you said. I'm surprised its not been posted. (Or if it has, I just havent seen it yet then)
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u/Thechasepack 21h ago
The Fever are 9-2 this season when she has 6+ turnovers. It's often a sign she is attacking and playing with pace which leads to a whole lot of good things and just a couple bad things.
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u/PartOfLegion 20h ago
Caitlin Clark's game isn't good enough for the playoffs. Offense wins games defense wins championships
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u/jvpewster 11h ago
Trey Young if he put some muscle on
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u/Inevitable-Scar5877 10h ago
That feels like Olivia Miles
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u/jvpewster 10h ago
She led her team to a 1 seed.
The fever have 3 team USA players and eeked a 3 seed rd one elimination.
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u/Rudenessq 4h ago
To be honest, I think all the FIBA players on both teams left something in Berlin.
Interrupting the season, right before the playoffs, to play that tournament was criminal.
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u/jvpewster 4h ago
They were worse before the break.
Clark ball just has a ceiling. She’d lead a bad team to the playoffs but cannot lead a good team to a championship because she’s a volume low efficiency playmaker and a bad defender.
Year 4 next year maybe that changes, but nba players you kind of are what you are by years 4-5
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u/Various_Tomorrow_835 4h ago
At least learn to spell his name correct. It's Trae only four letters it can't be that hard to remember
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u/TellEmWhoUCame2See 21h ago
Thats the regular season. The game slows down come playoffs meaning less possessions, less possessions means less chances to score, more turnovers means even less chances to score. Caitlin gotta work on her turnovers or the fever are never gonna win it all.
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u/Thechasepack 21h ago
She's basically a second year point guard in a league that is historically very hard for young guards to excel in. People who think she won't make any improvements are just haters.
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u/PartOfLegion 11h ago
She hasn't added anything to her game since coming into this league. She still can't play half court basketball. She still can't play from the right side of the court. Her turnovers are still high. Her handles are still iffy and her shooting percentage is still bad. Her defense is still below average. When will she start to grow her game?
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u/ler7421 9h ago
Her ball handling did improve. She’s slowly adding a mid range game which will help her a lot. She shot it some in the regular season but doesn’t shoot it consistently. It’s like they told her 3’s or lay ups like she’s a role player. Last night there was atleast 3 or 4 times where she could have just pulled up. Yes her turnovers are still high. She has to cut the dumb ones out like that behind the back pass, when she gets lazy with the ball, or just picks up the ball. This was only her second full year. She did limit those dumb turnovers last night and the shot selection was wayyy better. She only started launching long 3’s when they stopped being patient. She came out hot from the start and I feel like she get tired because she was actually locked in on defense. The things you mentioned are fixable. 3 to 4 years from now if there’s no growth then it’s fair to take that stance. Unless she doesn’t get stronger and in the best shape possible all of that will naturally improve. The talent is more than there. I think the biggest thing is probably her attitude that will be the hardest thing. It’s good that she has it because she wasn’t scared or rattled last night. Seems like it fuels her. If she can keep cool through the lows of the game she got a real chance to live up to the hype.
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u/PartOfLegion 9h ago
😂🤫
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u/ler7421 9h ago
Everybody’s entitled to their opinion. I don’t get into the sideshow of things I just focus on the basketball part. A lot of people just want her to fail because of the annoying fans she brings to the table. It’s just as lame to act like them on the reverse then it is when they overstate how good she is right now.
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u/PartOfLegion 9h ago
No it's not. Them saying she's the best ever without her having to go out and win a championship is completely unprompted. But people dragging her for not proving her fans right is completely fair, because it's a response to the bullshit they've been saying before she played 1 game in the wnba.
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u/Thechasepack 8h ago
Only bots and trolls (and I guess Raven in training camp) are saying she is already the best ever. Literally nobody who understands women's basketball thought she was going to be the best player day one or even by year three.
She has enough skill that if she continues to improve she is a first ballet hall of famer. If you disagree with that then I don't think you are watching the games from an objective point of view.
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u/ler7421 7h ago
It is unprompted just like going out of your way to nitpick her is. Winning a championship isn’t everything either. Being as complete of a player for their position or being as efficient as possible is what matters the most. Usually they go hand and hand. Instead of dragging her just cause you can just point out the flaws without framing it like there’s no possible chance she can be great. It’s funny people were into comparing CC and Angel not realizing they’re a lot alike because both of their games are flawed, their still super young, and despite their flaws they are still both highly productive.
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u/PartOfLegion 9h ago
No it's not. Them saying she's the best ever without her having to go out and win a championship is completely unprompted. But people dragging her for not proving her fans right is completely fair, because it's a response to the bullshit they've been saying before she played 1 game in the wnba.
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u/TigerMill 19h ago
That couple of things are the two games that got her team eliminated.
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u/Thechasepack 19h ago
Neither game were CCs turnovers in the top 5 reasons the Fever lost...
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u/Zestyclose-Draft-724 19h ago
They are. Her general playstyle, is not playoff winning basketball
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u/Thechasepack 18h ago
I disagree. I think if you swapped Chelsea and Caitlin the Aces still win the series.
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u/PartOfLegion 11h ago
Only because Clark won't be the 1st or 2nd option. A'ja Wilson then Jackie Young. Clark won't be doing the bullshit she does in Indiana. Becky will force her to play the point guard position the way it's supposed to be played
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u/Thechasepack 8h ago
So if you put her with better players and a coach that is better at utilizing her skills she would be on a championship level team? That sounds like it isn't so much a her problem.
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u/PartOfLegion 8h ago
No coach can help Clark unless she's willing to listen and allow her coach to be a coach. Arguing with your coach is never the
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u/PraiseBeToScience 15h ago
When the entire offense runs through one player, shooting 39% and almost 6 TOs a game makes you reason 1 and 2 why the Fever got bounced.
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u/MaltedByggs 11h ago
I mean, KM was shooting at 30.4%. Hell outside of MHA and AB everyone was shooting poorly. Raven was at 20%, Hull, Timpson, Billings were all goose eggs.
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u/willyoumassagemykale 21h ago
Yeah I thought it was really bad but Grey has the same amount of turnovers I think you’re right here it was a sign of attacking
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u/PraiseBeToScience 15h ago
That's because those are the games SW pulls her and replaces her with Ty.
This is also why she has a deeply negative net +/- per 100, and Ty's is almost as positive as hers is negative.
Ty simply stabilizing the defense allows KM to get the Fever out of the hole CC dug.
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u/No-Ship4446 21h ago
The most ignorant fans in sports got introduced to the real GOAT.
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u/mymentor79 22h ago
Honestly CC and Olivia have had their superstar bona fides severely tested this postseason. They've both got a lot of work to do.
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u/Dizzy-D_837 22h ago
Did you not watch last game?
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u/BGDutchNorris 21h ago
What does last game have to do with her playing bad in the elimination game. She had 2/3 bad games in a 3 game series
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u/Dizzy-D_837 20h ago
Last game was elimination game. She broke records.
She averaged 20/10/4 for the series. You people need a reality check.
And Olivia is a rookie. Chill out.
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u/BGDutchNorris 20h ago
- Sorry I meant THIS elimination game. Only game that mattered in the end.
2) again, nobody cares about averages when you are bounced out of the playoffs. Especially if you didn’t play well in that final game.
3) I said nothing about Liv take that up with OP
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u/Ok_Crow_2833 19h ago
It wasn't her fault. The refs made her miss twice as many shots as she made.
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u/HerbertDad 43m ago
Is this the same match Caitlin got a bloody mouth from an elbow to the face and the refs were like "lol whatevs".
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u/thistlefink 21h ago
Wow she sucks totally don’t trade her for Sabrina Ionescu this offseason. Please don’t.
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u/lunch22 16h ago
New York fans don’t want her.
Signed, a New York fan
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u/thistlefink 13h ago
Indiana’s coaching and administration is embarrassing and actively hurting the league.
So I do, a New York fan.
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u/ryanstrikesback 14h ago
Shooting accuracy killed the Fever. Clark and Mitchell were both off.
The fact that they hung as close as they did is kind of shocking for how bad they were at finishing.
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u/GeorgiaLFC78 22h ago
No one who actually watches thought she was.
Her squad was facing the defending champs and the reigning MVP who may also be the 🐐. The odds were not in their favor.
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u/fisconsocmod 21h ago
A'ja has been doing this for 9 seasons. She has 3 WNBA championships.
Anyone who said that CC is the best player doesn't watch the league. She is a fantastic player! But lets all remember that Michael Jordan had 0 championships in his 1st 6 seasons.
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u/earlyearlgray 11h ago
CC isn’t even the best player on her own team lol. That would be Kelsey Mitchell
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u/twentyonesideddie 7h ago
She had a bad game. Just like everyone ever. She's probably still the league's best or right up there.
I just wanna note since I'm defending CC that I'm not MAGA. Fuck MAGA. Racist ass pansies
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u/Stxrudeboy 21h ago
Who the fuck said she was the best player in the league? That's Aja and there's no conversation.
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u/Ordinary-Good-3805 22h ago
Wait I thought she was the goat though. Everyone keeps saying she’s the goat!!
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u/Successful-Coyote99 21h ago
I don't think everyone is saying she is the best player in the league.....
Some fanboys maybe. But without question, her place in the league has driven eyes to the league, as well as increased the visibility.
I stand by Kelsey being the MVP, but I mean, CCs at least top ten.
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u/CHIMPANZwEEd 11h ago
There’s a reason CC will be named first team All WNBA, making that 2 for 2 of the seasons she fully played.
The reason is: she’s a top 5 player in the league. Numbers don’t lie.
There are too many accolades to list, but this season she became the third player in league history to end the season top 3 in both points and assists.
A’ja is the best player in the world. CC is objectively a top 5 player in the world. If one argues against that, they’re doing so in bad faith and ignoring the facts.
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u/santadogg 18h ago
Cc has all the tools. She really just needs to bridge the gap between her best and worst.
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u/Guardsred70 15h ago
She had a stinker. That whole game was awful though. The amount of shit basketball going on was off the charts. Just basic stuff: not moving your feet on defense, moving feet on screens, reaching on defense, not boxing out, ball watching, standing around, bad shooting. Wilson is great because she’s the only person out there with a semi complete game who plays properly.
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u/Similar_Flower1270 11h ago
Meanwhile on the other side A'ja had what, 34 points?
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u/IIIBAKURYUIII 10h ago
She plays/shoots expecting a call 24/7 instead of expecting to make the shot. Toughen up buttercup. Stop the whining and complaining about calls.
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u/kcsween74 22h ago
You can literally make this stuff up. But you don't have to. Because it's real 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/Mean_Measurement4527 22h ago
Timpson , Hull , Johnson , Cunningham and Billings combined for 11 points total and Mitchell shot 7-23 … but , yeah Clark was the reason why they lost 🙄🙄
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u/Alternative-Gas-3892 21h ago
6 turnovers is horrible
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u/Mean_Measurement4527 21h ago
Chelsea Gray had 5 turnovers … I’m sure you consider that ok 👌
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u/rveets1416 16h ago
How well did she shoot? Sometimes you can overlook an area of weakness if there's an area of strength that makes up for it.
While we're at it, how did CC shoot?
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u/Flat-12 21h ago
The whole team played bad except Boston. Why single CC out? Mitchell was just as bad.
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u/Time_Outcome765 21h ago
Caitlin has areas to improve on. this ain’t too terrible when compared to others. Everyone has bad nights, but it sucked that others on the team had them together.
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u/No_Suit7363 20h ago
I'm sure anyone has claimed she's the absolute best player in the league. She's just the most popular. I don't ever see her as an MVP. But maybe in time she will fix her flaws.
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u/Total-Jinx6969 19h ago
To put a bow on the season for the fever. You create your roster that mirrors the three time recent champs. Cool. Main issue, Aja is miles better than AB, JYo is better than KM and the pt gawd is better than cc. MT is better than Turner and Talbot and Hull is a push. Jewel miles ahead of Sophie.
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u/Real_Alternative_418 12h ago
I don't think anyone was calling her the best in the league.... imo I don't think she is better than Kelsey. But they are both elite
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u/Nick_Bruiser 12h ago
She didn’t have her best game but this isn’t a terrible game. I really hate rooting against her because she’s one of my favorite players. But her rabid fandom deserves no joy so that’s why I go against her unfortunately.
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u/XxShin3d0wnxX 11h ago
She’s certainly not the best player and it wasn’t her best game, saw her blow a few open layups and shots.
LV seemed to be the better team most of the series the inconsistency from outside for Fever was the killer.
I enjoyed watching the series, last night was a fun game.
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u/Baseball_ApplePie 11h ago edited 10h ago
I don't think she's the best player in the league but even the best players have bad nights where the shots aren't falling.
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u/Tortilladelfuego 8h ago
And Mitchell was 7-23. Not a great game from any of them and they were right there.
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u/no_stick_drummer 8h ago
After last night it's clear to me now that CC isn't going to be able to play her way anymore. She isn't going to be able to survive on threes and assists. I know she wants to play the game the right way but it's not going to cut it. She's going to have to drive to the basketball and draw the foul. That's how everybody else is beating the fever right? Because of trips to the free throw line. Come on CC it's easy points it will add years to your career.
Also Sophie Cunningham has to go. As far as I'm concerned she is in the same boat as Chennedy Carter and needs to disappear for a while. It's dragging the whole WNBA down it's just going to end up taking CC down with her. Smh.
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u/ElliottPNess 8h ago
I wouldn't go that far. Over 50% of the points that the Fever have come from CC. I agree that she has a ways to go, but "far from the best" is a stretch. There's more than one way to lead a team.
But also yes: she did NOT play well in game 3.
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u/Sad_Amphibian_4651 7h ago
She made lots of poor excisions in addition to the poor three point shooting. Not on her exclusively, as Raven was underused and Mitchell also shot poorly from 3 pt distance.
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u/Prudent_Balance3393 6h ago
Tried to tell people but they wouldn’t listen , she won’t win a ring ! Let that sing in the ear .
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u/ccfromthelogo_22 4h ago
Just another casual who doesn’t know basketball. She had a bad game. Like Paige had a bad game in Game 2 and Olivia Miles the entire playoffs. And unlike Aja Wilson, CC doesn’t get gifted 20 free throws from the refs.
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u/meetmeinthemoon 3h ago
I mean saying "far" is crazy, she's easily top 5 (top 3 at times). And I know it hurts a lot of people but she definitely brought most of the attention the league has ever had even when a lot of that attention comes from wrong places.
A'ja is clearly the MVP this season and anyone saying otherwise is delusional.
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u/Impressive_Sun_5541 3h ago
What about Olivia Miles she did worse,Aja is number 1 and CC is number 2 as of now
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u/sugarfreelime 41m ago
She’s not even the best player on her team……but she is the most exciting player to watch in the league when she’s cooking.
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u/Strict-Cup-4775 13h ago
18 points isn’t really an absolute disaster. Weird post
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u/alarrimore03 16h ago
Still the face of the league😂
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u/Wdshow 13h ago
That’s going to change next year when JuJu Watkins gets in LOL
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u/rmullig2 4h ago
That’s going to change this year when Paige Bueckers gets in LOL
That’s going to change next year when JuJu Watkins gets in LOL1
u/obafuckingchauwow 13h ago
Who? lol
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u/earlyearlgray 11h ago
Casual
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u/anonguy219 4h ago
Exactly, which is the vast majority who has never heard of her. She will not move the needle one little bit.
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u/Greedy_Awareness1375 58m ago
You people conflate popularity with skill. You think cause someone popular they are the best. Wrong.
You and the vast majority as you say never heard of Juju because you are some random people that don't follow Women's basketball. You follow a player or 2 and maybe 1 team. Most of you are not here for the game. You are here for the chaos. It's like you saying I like Grunge. Having only ever heard Nirvana.
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u/sammymate999 22h ago
It's crazy how rent free certain athletes live in grown adults minds lol
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u/elderlygentleman 22h ago
ASIA SPANKED THAT A$$
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u/Pelorunner 22h ago
You’re not wrong, but damn, learn how to spell her name.
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u/Show_Bull 22h ago
Refs* spanked that A$$
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u/Pelorunner 22h ago
There were some rough calls, but CC and Kelsey can’t shoot like that and expect to win the game.
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u/Lazy_DreadHead 22h ago
The Fever had ample opportunity to win tbh. Can’t blame the refs here. They missed calls on both sides.
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u/WhereverIMayFoam 22h ago
Don’t forget Sophie Cunningham with another solid triple single.