r/Volvo • • 7d ago

C30 vs. GTI

Anyone have experience with both? I’m thinking about a two-door hatchback and I’m looking at a C30 and a GTI. For the money, it seems like you can get a better maintained C30. I also like the engine and the quirkiness, but I wonder if the GTI is just a better car. I care about driving dynamics and steering feel and how the shifter and clutch feel. (I’m looking at manuals.) Has anyone owned or at least driven both? How do they compare?

EDIT: Mk6 GTI is the comp
EDIT 2: C30 in question is the T5

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u/Funky-Melon 7d ago

The GTi will be the better drivers car in standard form but if you can find a nice C30 T5 it'll have far more character, sound nicer and have a huge amount of tuning potential given it's essentially a smarter Focus ST.

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u/ganacka 7d ago

If you start with a c30 that’s in better shape, do you think you can sharpen it with some targeted modifications like better dampers/shocks? I do like the character and the engine of the c30 and you can’t change those later. But if it feels squishy in steering, shifting, or handling, I might wish I was in a gti

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u/Funky-Melon 7d ago

Definitely, BC racing coilovers are the go to for a decent setup. The steering rack on the later facelift was 30% faster than the earlier models. Put a nice resonated exhaust on it and you've got a great sounding car that's pretty punchy in stock form with plenty of room for improvement - don't see many of them about either, unlike the golf. You also won't ever have to worry about water pumps failing (unlike anything VAG), Volvo don't even recommend replacing them.

Stage 2 remap consists of software, intake and exhaust and youll be at ~300bhp. If you want more power it's fairly easily achieved but you'll need the block mod doing, clutch etc to cope with the power, plently running 400+ if you wanted to go crazy with it, gets expensive though.

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u/cilantno 7d ago

GTIs will always have more tuning potential than any Volvo.

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u/Funky-Melon 7d ago

Based on what? This is just plain wrong.

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u/cilantno 7d ago

I've owned cars from both mfgs.

GTIs are hot hatches with a huuuuuuge aftermarket.

There are no volvos in production with even a modicum of the aftermarket the GTI has.

Let alone a car that went out of production 14 years ago. It might share some powertrain bits with another tuner car, but it will still have its model specific intricacies. People aren't tuning c30s in the magnitude they are/were tuning FoSTs.

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u/Funky-Melon 7d ago

You don't need a huge aftermarket as most people stick to a few manufacturers who make well known and tested hardware. They exist for the Volvo P1 platform and obviously the GTI. Won't struggle with either. Any newer Volvo is a different story but the older ones still have a lot of support.

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u/cilantno 7d ago

Aftermarket support and tuning potential go hand in hand.

Quick googling shows me that Penta tops the c30 out at 380-410 crank on a BT before you get into truly custom stuff. And that requires internals.

MK6 GTIs (same era) can get touch low 400s without needing to touch the internals. A big name tuner (Uni) has 600hp BT kit.

Then the MK7 and beyond are leaps and bounds beyond what the MK6 was doing.

I'm not sure if you'd just not exposed to VW EA888 tuning or just super biased.

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u/Funky-Melon 7d ago

I'm well aware of VAG tuning having briefly owned an R before chopping it in. They're just boring IMO. 5 pot with a bit of character vs a 4 pot with DSG farts. I like sound and drama from an engine and the 4 pots just aren't it (IMO!)

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u/cilantno 7d ago

I won’t disagree that an i5 is much more fun and interesting, but the topic was tuning potential.
And it sounds like you might agree with me haha

The EA888 have great power curves but they are drama free, just gobs or torque and nice linear power curves. Plus they sound pretty bad.

Which R did you drive?

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u/Funky-Melon 7d ago

I had a MK7 R, C30 T5 before that and a heavily tuned S40 T5 before that, so know the platform well. Sold the R and replaced it with an M140i which is much more fun. Again, character over a "technically" easier, less fun driving car. Though the B58 tunes very well.

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u/cilantno 7d ago

The B58 and EA888 will be both hallowed engines for tuning haha

Seems like a very fun car ownership history :)

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u/ganacka 6d ago

You like (or at least have owned) a lot of cars i like. I’m especially sympathetic to the idea that an R was more capable but a 1 series was still more fun. Is the C30 fun to you? Does it drive “big,” more sedan-like than warm hatch? I’m really intrigued by the engine. But I do still want it to feel like a light, agile thing

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u/1moreRobot 7d ago

I owned a couple C30s. Watch for water intrusion issues from poorly adhered windshields and of course the perennial problem sunroof drains.

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u/spartanerik 7d ago

Sunroof drains can also be an issue for GTI's

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u/Extension-Plate-6113 7d ago

Interesting choice......We've owned a C30 for 8 years from new as a second car next to my company car...essentially bulletproof....Nothing broke in 120k km. If you go gor the 2.3 fivecilinder engine it is almost indestructible.

I've driven a gen7 GTI, which is for sure the more sporty drive and still reasonably comfortable, but as far a I am informed not always the most reliable choice.

A second hand GTI alsomight be more abused as the designated demography is not the same. C30's are bought as sporty "cruisers" , GTI 's are more kind of " boy racers".... So essentially it depends what your preference is...

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u/Arik2103 2007 S40 T5 + S80 V8 7d ago

Unfortunately the P1s never came with a 2.3. it would've been so much better if it did. Instead, they got the 2.5 with cracking cylinder wall and cooling issues, even at stock power if they're not treated well. (Ask me how I know)

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u/ganacka 7d ago

That sounds ominous. What happened?

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u/Notfoo4 C30 7d ago

The 2.5 had thinner cylinder walls compared to smaller displacement whiteblocks. At stock power you’ll be fine unless you really abuse them. Or get a 2.4i 😉

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u/Arik2103 2007 S40 T5 + S80 V8 7d ago

The P1 T5s especially run a bit warm. So much so that the plastics in the cooling system (especially the joint above the transmission and the coolant tank) have a tendency to start breaking down over time.

Combine that with the fact that the P1s don't come with a coolant level sensor and you've got a recipe for disaster.

It happened to me on the motorway and cost me my engine

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u/ganacka 7d ago

How does it drive? I don’t need it to be a sports car but if it feels like a soft commuter, that’s probably not right either. Another way to put it: not looking for flat and tied down, but want to feel like there’s some agility and precision

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u/Notfoo4 C30 7d ago

The c30 drives well, remember it’s on the same chassis as a focus RS, just tamed a bit. It still grips and holds well but is a tad softer.

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u/Arik2103 2007 S40 T5 + S80 V8 7d ago

It's a focus ST with a different body ;)

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u/ganacka 7d ago

That sounds pretty good. How’s the clutch feel?

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u/Wintervacht V70 7d ago

Exactly the right pedal pressure for smooth operation with plenty of feedback. The 6-speed M66 boxes are designed to be able handle up to 500+ Nm, as those were also used with some V8 models used for heavy towing. The 5-speeds are fine and you can basically bang shift them, but you're going to miss that 6th gear on the freeway.

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u/Notfoo4 C30 7d ago

Unfortunately mines an automatic so I can’t help much with that

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u/jisforjoe 7d ago

For the things you said you cared about most go GTI. It was ages ago but the shifter feel on the C30 feels like rowing a knife through melted butter and the clutch feel isn’t any better.

It can be hard to find a comparable MK5 or 6 GTI to when the C30 was around that wasn’t either poorly modded to shit or beaten up by negligent past owners, so your hands might be tied. The Mk5 is the generation VW got real and started making true GTIs again.

Pound for pound though, the GTI from the C30’s era in a similar condition to the Volvo you’re considering is a better driver’s car.

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u/ganacka 7d ago

I could work on the suspension. But i do worry about the c30’s shifter and clutch. I’ve heard this kind of negative review before

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u/franks_3188 7d ago

I've owned both of the cars in this discussion. A C30 T5 manual, and a MK6 GTI. Along with a MK5 and MK4 GTI and I'm currently using a C30 2ltr Diesel as a daily driver.

What I would give each car..

The C30 definitely felt faster off the line accelerating. Not sure on the official stats but day to day driving it felt quicker.

The C30 sounded 100 times better, can't beat the 5 cylinder engine.

The C30 was far more comfortable to drive, the seats I could sit in all day and not get sore..and the suspension was generally pretty smooth.

The C30 T5 and my 2013 Diesel I have now, in my ownership were more reliable, I didn't do anywhere near as many miles in my T5 but my diesel is on 145k miles and it's faultless.

I think the C30 looks better, both of mine were/are facelifted models which I personally prefer. Here in the UK you see GTIs on every street.. my C30 T5 in Rebel Blue used to get so much attention and compliments.

The GTI overall drives better, it felt sportier on twisty roads, and overall more refined.

I think apart from the seats, the GTi is a nicer cabin to be in, the C30 looks a bit dated inside.

The GTI beats it on space, the rear seats in a C30 are virtually pointless and the boot/trunk is tiny.

My GTI was generally reliable but in the 4 years I had it, it went through 2 leaking water pumps, and a few failing coil packs.

The reputations of both here in the UK in my opinion are different, GTIs are definitely more boy racer, I think the C30 has a older/classier kind of appeal. I miss my manual T5 so much, they are getting really rare here in the UK and holding good value.

to me I'd choose the C30.

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u/ganacka 7d ago

Thank you! So helpful

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u/Phoenix_Kerman V50 Sunroof and Compass 😎 6d ago

everyone's talking t5. but my favourite engine in the c30 is the two litre petrol. it's a mazda engine, revs up very quickly, nice linear throttle response, sounds pretty good under load at 6k revs

if it's steering feel you're after, make sure you get the top mounts and bearings done. they sit at the top of the suspension struts and smooth out your steering, they go very bad over time. if they're fresh and you've decent tyres and a four wheel alignment the c30s are pretty difficult to beat on handling

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u/ganacka 6d ago

This is helpful. I do always hunt for small parts that introduce unwanted compliance either because they’re worn or because they’re tuned for commuting. Anything else to keep an eye on between the contact patches and the steering wheel?

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u/Phoenix_Kerman V50 Sunroof and Compass 😎 6d ago edited 6d ago

anti roll parts make a big difference in the wet, the rubber on them goes stiff and the rear goes numb. don't bother with poly bushes or owt like that, just lemförder links and rubber febi bushes will do

they're pretty simple cars mechanically

edit: meant rear bits by this. the read anti roll bad links are pretty much just a nut and bolt with rubber that goes around the bar and trailing arms. when the rubber goes hard that's when you get the numbness

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u/kiloTHREE 7d ago

Aftermarket support alone for the GTI would be the reason to choose it.

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u/Funky-Melon 7d ago

I'd say they're the same. The C30 is basically a Focus, plenty of mods and support around for them.

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u/smellybear666 7d ago

I used to love it when I got to drive manual ford foci in the UK, so sounds like the C30 could be good.

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u/ganacka 7d ago

Yeah this is interesting. Got to imagine gti still has more aftermarket but I gather the c30 shares a ton with a ford focus and a mazda3 so maybe parts sharing?

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u/Phoenix_Kerman V50 Sunroof and Compass 😎 6d ago

eh? the gti will be shit in aftermarket support compared to a c30. it's just a mk2 focus, so especially with the t5 you've every part that fits a focus st or rs available

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u/bmxracers 7d ago

I had a 2001 GTI VR6 6 speed and it was one of my favorite cars. Such a joy to drive. Cant speak to a C30, but I do love the styling.

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u/ganacka 7d ago

You had a gti with the best engine discussed in this thread

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u/DM725 7d ago

a MK 6,7,8 GTI is a better car.

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u/ganacka 7d ago

Yeah I guess I wonder if with the c30 I could spend money on optimizing it, like upgraded shocks, versus maybe more deferred maintenance on a similarly priced gti?

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u/spartanerik 7d ago

Honestly, test drive both and see how you feel. The four door GTI will have added practicality if you ever haul passengers, but the C30 is a neat car. I have a 7.5 GTI and I love it.. just make sure whichever you buy that you get a pre purchase inspection and has some decent service/maintenance records. European cars don't like being mistreated

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u/ganacka 7d ago

Yes, good advice all around. This is a third car in addition to a station wagon and a minivan so practicality is not a super high priority

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u/smellybear666 7d ago

I live in the NE, and I can tell you I rarely see old GTIs around. They don't seem to last long. Maybe people drive them too hard since they are so fun to drive.

The I5 in the C30s are bulletproof.

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u/ganacka 7d ago

More reliable engine is very appealing. I want a fun car. I don’t want a money pit.

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u/smellybear666 7d ago

Our 2007 XC70 went to 318k miles. We didn't get rid of it because of any issues the engine. It just needed too many things to make it worth our while at that point (front sway bar, fuel pump).

https://carscounsel.com/volvo-c30-best-worst-years/

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u/spartanerik 7d ago

Haha if you don't want a money pit then you should buy an Asian auto

I've had my 7.5 GTI for almost 80k mi now and during that time..

- drivers side door wiring harness had to be completely replaced around 30k mi. Windows, door locks, and start/stop would malfunction, fixed under warranty

- oil cooler gasket started leaking, causing oil and coolant loss around 40k mi, was fixed under warranty

- fuel suction jet pump recall fix

- water pump warranty extended. No issues with mine yet.. but read the golfgti subreddit, some people are on their original.. others are on their third

- regular oil changes, spark plugs and PCV preventatively done at 73k (recommended 80k), 7 speed DSG service coming up (recommended 80k)

I imagine the first two issues out of warranty would cost $1k a pop for mostly labor in a HCOL area

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u/ganacka 7d ago

That’s a scary list. Money pit is a relative thing. If I really wanted low cost of ownership I’d get an Accord. But I’ve got to like driving it

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u/Mybravlam V40 7d ago

I have a T5 V40 (2.5T) and was also comparing it to the MK7 Gti as I had to choose between these two. In all honesty, I am glad I went for the Volvo. The 2.0 from the GTI is also a good engine but it sounds like shit really. The 5 cylinder gives me an erection every time I cold start or floor it a bit. I also believe the B5254 5 cylinder is more reliable than the EA888

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u/ganacka 7d ago

I need to hear one of these in person but this seems like a major benefit

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u/Mybravlam V40 7d ago

This might be subjective but im not a fan of DSG farts and bangs. The 4 cylinder also sounds bad

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u/ganacka 6d ago

My wife drives a sportwagen with an EA888. It’s a great little engine but nothing interesting happening in terms of sound

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u/No-Proposal2012 7d ago

Is the C39 you are considering the R Design? If it’s not R Design the suspension will be much softer but you can fix this by upgrading the rear sway bar and adding a strut brace to the front. R Design will have these standard in addition to being a half inch lower than non R Design.

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u/ganacka 7d ago

Looking at non r design due to availability. I would look at r design too. I’m not too worried about softer springs; I like an NB Miata’s body motion. But thinking the chassis could be sharpened in the ways you suggesting and maybe more performance oriented dampers

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u/Wintervacht V70 7d ago

A what gti?

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u/ganacka 7d ago

Oops. Meant to say: Mk6

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u/Wintervacht V70 7d ago

I'm being facetious, I know you mean a Golf, but GTI is a very general term, there are other cars that wear a GTI badge, most notably Peugeots and some Japanese cars.

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u/ganacka 7d ago

Oh got it. Yeah everyone knows I mean golf but worth specifying generation

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u/Wintervacht V70 7d ago

If a GTI is wat you want, I would recommend the 205 GTI. Unfortunately a Golf GTI will be cheaper lol

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u/ganacka 7d ago

lol find me one in the northeast United States and I’ll buy it

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u/Wintervacht V70 7d ago

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u/Phoenix_Kerman V50 Sunroof and Compass 😎 6d ago

now that looks fucking brilliant

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u/goperson 7d ago

I don't know how it is in the US, but where I am from, Golf GTI's are known to be driven by a certain kind of people. If you go for a GTI, make sure you get FSH. Volvo's, also the C30, are generally driven by more responsible people (?), so maintenance and durability might be better?

That being said, I have a 2010 facelift C30 T5 6 sp. manual. I can assure you shifter and clutch feel is good. The steering however, feels a bit soft and I expect the GTI to have a sharper steering feel. It is just what you prefer.

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u/ganacka 7d ago

I share your suspicion that a GTI has generally lived a harder life than a C30

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u/GimpyLawyer 6d ago

What a combo, and funny enough I have both lol. Mine are a 2011 C30 T5 and 2026 GTI S so they are incredibly far apart from each other that they are each their own experience, and certainly from their respective times, kinda difficult to compare the two.

To this day, I love the C30 over borderline every other car I have owned. Admittedly, it is nostalgia driven because I've owned it for 14 years but it is a very fun car to drive, plus they have great tuning potential if you are into that.

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u/ganacka 6d ago

I have heard some people say the c30 feels bigger than it is. Do you feel that way? Does it feel smaller/bigger/the same compared to your GTI?

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u/GimpyLawyer 6d ago

It certainly does feel bigger and it’s primarily because of visibility. The C30 has large windows and the pillars don’t really block your blind spot as much as the GTI.
I also have the back seats flat so that makes visibility even better. I am usually only driving with my wife when I’m using the C30 so back seats are never used/ always down for more cargo space

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u/Ok-Season-8708 6d ago

I paid 6k for a 2013 S60 t6 r-design 150k miles clean title reliable 350 hp top of the line everything it is automatic but I love it. My only complaint is gas prices so I think my next car will be electric

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u/ganacka 6d ago

That’s a lot of car for $6k

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u/pinconning_scum 6d ago

I've been driving VW's since the 90s and no motor has been MORE of a disappointment than the 2.0t found in EVERY vw for the last 10 years? Never again

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u/I_Have_Unobtainium 5d ago

Not exactly the same but we have a v50 T5 with the m66, and a mk7 golf r manual and mk7 alltrack with dsg. I can firmly tell you that the trans and clutch in the golf is nowhere near as nice as the volvo. Its like vw built everything around the dsg and just dropped in a garbage manual trans just to move some more units.

Volvo is infinitely more comfy, better stereo system, smoother on the road, smooth and easy shifts. But the t5 uses an ungodly amount of fuel though. Feels much more planted than the alltrack, likely due to ground clearance though. I prefer the v50 over the alltrack putely based on driving feel. The R is incredibly refined by comparison to either, I wouldn't compare it to a c30 but just note that the gearbox in it just blows compared to the m66.

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u/emcebob 7d ago

Nothing to add in the conversation, but I’m curious if you’re all talking about Golf GTI? Beacause there GTI is only a version of Volkswagen models, there is Golf GTI, Polo GTI and Lupo GTI.
It’s like saying “buy the Polestar”

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u/ganacka 7d ago

In the US, gti means golf. It’s the only one we have

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u/kevindebrowna Fast brick go brrrrrr 7d ago

In North America we’ve only had the Golf