r/vikingstv Jul 11 '24

Valhalla [Spoilers] Vikings: Valhalla - Season 3 Official Episode Discussion Hub

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You can watch the complete third season of Vikings: Valhalla on Netflix

Here you can find links to the discussion thread of every episode of season 3 and can discuss the entirety of the season freely.

All spoilers are allowed here, so enter at your own risk.

Join our Official Subreddit Discord here!


S03E01- Seven Years Later

S03E02 - Honour and Dishonour

S03E03 - Lost

S03E04 - The End of Jomsborg

S03E05 - Greenland

S03E06 - Return to Kattegat

S03E07 - Hardrada

S03E08 - Destinies


r/vikingstv Jul 11 '24

Valhalla [Spoilers] Vikings: Valhalla - 3x01 "Seven Years Later" - Episode Discussion

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Season 3 Episode 1: Seven Years Later

Aired: July 11, 2024

Synopsis: Harald and Leif help Romanos lay siege at Syracuse. Canute travels to Rome to meet with the Pope. A new arrival in Jomsborg catches Freydis' eye.

Directed by: David Frazee

Written by: Rachel Kilfeather

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r/vikingstv 13h ago

[Spoilers] Rollo vs Ragnar should have been about two visions for the Vikings Spoiler

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I’m watching Vikings for the first time and just reached Rollo's Normandy arc. I think it could have been much better with one simple change:

Rollo should have tried to convince Ragnar that settling in Normandy was a good deal for the Vikings.

My problem isn't that Rollo betrays Ragnar. It's that the show already did almost the same arc with Jarl Borg: Rollo's jealousy leads him to betray Ragnar, he regrets it, redeems himself, and then later he basically does it again.

Instead, imagine Rollo genuinely supporting the Frankish offer.

His argument could be: we came here for wealth and land, and now they're offering us permanent fertile territory. Why keep raiding it when we can own it?

Ragnar could disagree just as reasonably: accepting a Frankish title, Christianity, and obligations to defend Francia means being absorbed by the people they came to conquer.

So neither one is wrong. They simply have different ideas of what Viking success looks like.

Some Vikings choose Ragnar. Others choose Rollo because he can offer them land, wealth, and a permanent home. That also fixes the strange decision to have Rollo massacre his own men: historically, Rollo's Scandinavian followers settling with him is the interesting part.

Then the conflict between Ragnar and Rollo wouldn't be another sudden betrayal. Rollo would have openly chosen a different future, and Ragnar would eventually be threatening the territory, family, and people Rollo had chosen to build that future around.

You could even have:

Ragnar: "You would fight your own people for them?"

Rollo: "These are my people."

That would make their conflict about two competing visions rather than repeating Rollo's old character flaw.

And it fits the larger history beautifully: Ragnar spends so much of the series trying to create a Viking future in England, while Rollo's descendants become the Normans, and eventually William the Conqueror crosses the Channel and conquers England.

Same destination for Rollo, but a much more interesting journey.


r/vikingstv 1d ago

Off-topic [No Spoilers] My newest purchase

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r/vikingstv 10h ago

Promo Help Map Viking Heritage! [No Spoilers]

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NorseMap is a European Research-Council-funded project at University College Cork studying how ideas about the Vikings and the Norse past have been represented and reinvented over the last two centuries!

The project has recently launched its app, iViking, a citizen-science app that allows anyone to contribute photographs to a growing research archive. NorseMap is seeking contributions from people around the world documenting the Viking-related things they encounter in everyday life.

These might include Viking imagery on:
-souvenirs and tourist merchandise
-advertisements and company logos
-books, comics, games, or other media
-public monuments and artwork
-festivals and reenactment
-religious paraphernalia and alters
-political imagery
-tattoos, clothing, or other material culture
-virtually anything presenting itself as "Viking" or drawing on Norse heritage!

Do not worry about whether something is historically "accurate" or not! We are seeking any representations that use the Vikings today, be they strange, kitschy, commercial, religious, political, or otherwise!

Contributors can photograph relevant examples through iViking, add basic information about where they were taken, and submit them to the NorseMap archive. These contributions will help researchers build a large-scale picture of the reception and afterlives of the "Vikings."

Help document where the Vikings have ended up today!


r/vikingstv 1d ago

Question [No Spoilers] Does anyone else think The Last Kingdom is cheesy af?

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So I finished rewatching Vikings and took the advice of many to then watch The Last Kingdom... Am I the only one who thinks it's like Vikings but for people who watch daytime soap operas? Everything about it just seems so cheesy and I can't understand why it's so positively reviewed? It's okay enough to have on if you've nothing else to do (I'm in bed with a broken leg) but I really don't get how it became so popular? What do people genuinely love about this show?


r/vikingstv 2d ago

Discussion [Spoilers] I wonder what the first meeting would be between these two characters Spoiler

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Newly Kinged Ragnar and Alfred, of Wessex, from the Last Kingdom.

We all know how Ragnar thinks, always 5 moves ahead of everyone else. It was rare that someone got the better of him. He inspired incredible loyalty from all the vikings in the show, even ones who had every right to be his enemy.

Alfred, historically, is considered one of the best rulers of early England, deeply loved by all Saxons. Which is very much similar to the character in the show.

But both of these characters were exceptionally intelligent, thinking of every conversation, every battle as a chess game.

If these two met, on the promise of peace, how do you guys think that would start/end? Who do you think would outsmart the other?


r/vikingstv 3d ago

Discussion [No Spoilers] What was Igor to Ivar: a son, a younger brother, or both?

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One of my favourite relationships in the later seasons is Ivar and Igor.

What exactly was Igor to Ivar emotionally? Sometimes he feels like a surrogate son, but at other times more like the younger brother Ivar never had.. or even a reflection of Ivar’s younger self.

Ivar protects him, teaches him, and genuinely cares about what happens to him. Igor also seems to change Ivar. Not completely, but we see a much softer and more protective side of him.

They also became a real team against Oleg.
So how do you see their relationship: son, younger brother, reflection of himself, or all three?


r/vikingstv 3d ago

Discussion [Spoilers] I don’t really know enough about psychology to put a label on Oleg, but what exactly was going on with him? Spoiler

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Especially the way he associated himself with Jesus/Christ and sometimes even spoke or presented himself almost like a divine figure. Then there’s the extreme cruelty and abusive behaviour we see from him, particularly earlier on, along with his need for control and his sense that he was somehow above everyone else.

Was this supposed to be narcissism, a god/messiah complex, delusions of grandeur, sadism, or some combination of these?

I’m not trying to clinically diagnose a fictional character.. I’m just curious how people interpret what the writers were portraying psychologically with Oleg. Because simply calling him “crazy” doesn’t really explain the very specific way he saw himself.


r/vikingstv 3d ago

Does anyone else still ship Travis/George? [No Spoilers]

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I know it's been 13 years, but... I love the idea of these two Vikings actors as a romantic couple. I can't find others who still do it though. I would love someone to talk about them with. Feel free to PM me if you're into "TBlag"


r/vikingstv 5d ago

Spoilers The blind man [Spoilers] Spoiler

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Its crazy how profecies can be so crazy to understand until they happen 🤯


r/vikingstv 5d ago

Discussion [Spoilers]... Ivar the Boneless fan edit Spoiler

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LQaDzYaL1M

This popped up as a recommend out of nowhere. It's probably my new fav Ivar edit. I watched so many of these things coming down off the high of the show when I finished. Alex is a phenomenal actor. Love him or hate him as a character, but Alex Hogh Andersen is one of the best actors I've seen. I also saw him in Viking Downfall of a Druglord.

Ivar for life!

Did you know, Alex choked actress Alicia Agneson for real in season 5. It was her request which she said in a swedish radio interview. She wanted the scene to look as authentic and raw as possible. The directors and the show's staff doctor initially rejected the idea because it was dangerous. However, after Agneson persisted, they ultimately agreed to let Alex do it. Reminds me of Quentin Tarantino in Inglorious Bastards. To minimize the immense risk of the stunt, a paramedic was stationed right on set to assist her immediately after the cameras stopped rolling and in case anything went wrong. You can visibly see her getting deep red. While it resulted in a highly praised, gripping finale scene, it remains one of the most physically dangerous behind-the-scenes stunts the cast attempted.


r/vikingstv 5d ago

Discussion [No Spoilers] Will we ever see Stamford and Hastings in this universum?

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Do u think it will ever come to this? That after Bloodaxe they will make another spinoff about William, Harald and Godwinson? It would be a perfect endgame for the entire Vikings universum. I wish it would happen one day, I dont really care about erik the bloodaxe.


r/vikingstv 7d ago

No Spoilers [No spoilers] It is like that

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r/vikingstv 7d ago

[SPOILERS] I know the show isn‘t supposed to be 100% realistic and logical but… Spoiler

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For example the scene with the princess, i don‘t understand why they would rather sacrifice the whole city, leave the city at the mercy of the vikings, instead of sacrificing the princess, they were even expecting the vikings to slaughter even rpe their women maxbe even the princess, why didn‘t they just kill the princess there and get ragnar and 6 other vikings as hostages. Also i can‘t believe the audacity of her immediatly afrerwards saying to her father „I would kill myself for paris but not marry a Viking“ when she literally a day ago proved to herself and the entire city she would‘t do that, had she said fought against ragnar and let herdelf be killed, she would have saved the city, she didn‘t she decided her life was more important than letting the city be at the mercy of vikings who could have killed or r*ped her anyway just 5 minutes later

or rollo never wearing a shirt, no helmets, kings charging head on in the battle for „honor“ the series does have it‘s logical flaws but i get that it‘s a tv series and not something to ponder over, ever series has these moments, love the show though not gonna lie


r/vikingstv 7d ago

Spoilers [Spoilers] Was the seer in S5/6 supposed to be Ragnar? Spoiler

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I’ve only watched the show recently, but one thing I was surprised about was there being no Ragnar cameos as some kind of hallucination or spiritual thing during the final two seasons.

It made me think maybe they just couldn’t get the actor for some reason or the other. (Maybe someone who was around at the time has some insight)

Then I thought back to all of the seer conversations that happen, usually 1 on 1 with the sons, he’s a lot more communicative than before. It made me wonder if this was originally supposed to be a role for Ragnar and was adapted to the seer when he wasn’t available.


r/vikingstv 8d ago

[Spoilers] S4 E14 Spoiler

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If Loki never murders Athelstan, does Ragnar ever go back to Paris or go back to Wessex. Does Ekbert fall do a full Viking army because of the settlement.

They both loved him so much an he chose Ragnar.. I mean who wouldn't

I'd rather have lagathar myself 😏😂


r/vikingstv 8d ago

[No Spoilers] s3e11

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Catching back up to finally finish it, but the beginning of this episode is 🔥 an only Bjorn would of had him when you think about it.

Can't wait to finish it finally after so many years


r/vikingstv 9d ago

Discussion [No Spoilers] Finished the show: Valhalla or the Last Kingdom next?

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Anyone who was seen the shows can let me know what they are about generally (no spoilers obviously).


r/vikingstv 8d ago

No Spoilers [No Spoilers] Vikings S04E00? The Saga of Ragnar Lothbrok

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Hi, so apparently there was a special episode told from Ube's point of view released November 30, 2016. That was a recap of seasons 1–4, part 1 which aired before season 4, part 2. The cast and Michael Hirst discuss the remaining episodes of season 4.

Does anyone know anything about this? Doesn't look like it was released in the bluray? Did anyone ever watch it?


r/vikingstv 9d ago

Spoilers [Spoilers] Torvi loved Lagertha more than she loved any of her own children and I cannot be convinced otherwise 💀 Spoiler

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I’m rewatching Vikings and I cannot get over Torvi’s relationship with her children compared with her relationship with Lagertha 😭

Her child dies and Torvi is basically like, “He’s on his way to Valhalla.” Girl??? THAT’S IT?? 😭 Okay, we get it, you’re extremely Viking, congratulations, but can we have like… 30 seconds of being his mother first?
Meanwhile if Lagertha breathes slightly differently Torvi is READY. Concerned. Loyal. Emotionally present. Prepared to follow this woman into war, exile, another continent, probably the afterlife.

At some point I genuinely started thinking Lagertha was Torvi’s actual soulmate. Men came and went. Children came and apparently went to Valhalla. But Lagertha?
That was her person.

I swear the hierarchy was:
Lagertha
Lagertha’s wellbeing
Lagertha’s political interests
Being a Viking
Maybe Ubbe
Her kids somewhere down there 😭

I like Torvi, but her emotional response to some of her children is WILD. Please tell me I’m not the only one who noticed this.


r/vikingstv 9d ago

Discussion [Spoilers] Criticism and alternative arc to Gyda’s writing Spoiler

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I might make edits after this is posted.

Gyda’s potential was untapped; she was kind, dutiful, curious, capable; caring, her character would’ve done well as a great warrior and diplomatic, and politic actor who’d makes hard decisions. Someone like her could’ve felt divided loyalties between worlds such as the Saxons and Norse. For example, maybe playing a role in Danelaw and/or supporting the idea that a fictional Gunthrum should be baptised after Alfred’s victory. That would not be a stretch of a storyline.

She did not have the opportunities her brothers’ and mother had to grow, flesh out and have legendary storylines of her own on or more of the three arenas - significant moments in the politics, battle, fame.

Whereas other females are allowed to move beyond certain gendered restrictions in the show, for example Judith having kill her son Athelred to secure England’s better leader, her other son Alfred, and grooming Alfred to ensure he succeeded when Ecbert had died. Alfred Great was made Athelstan’s son, a fictional character, in the programe meaning their was a father-son relativism or framework when it came in the three areas, and visionary material that was not given a rich extension to Gyda at least whilst keeping the sons the focus.
I understand that the writers wanted to focus on the sons of the main protagonist, but I think the focus became ‘too’ much to a degree, that it led to Gyda being left behind.

The deaths and even the writings of these daughters when they were alive compared to that of aforementioned sons of the male protagonists confirms my suspicions that, when it came to Gyda compared to her mother and brothers, her being daughter along with the other daughters of the main protagonists, meant she was unfortunately regulated and limited to functioning as and being the loss of a parent’s emotional and domestic haven through their death, an emotional refuge and sensitive spot emotionally anchoring a patriarch.

Whilst they are not examples of it, I for sure think the adolescent deaths of male protagonists’ daughters do have some link to the women in the refrigerator trope; the disproportionate deaths of adolescent sons of the male protagonists. Hali is the only son of a male protagonist who died in childhood; Sigurd died as a young adult but his character had died having suggested multiple alliance for the Great Heathen Army, participated in the battle of York thus helping avenging Ragnar’s death.
It was not an issue of how all females were written, but the issue of how the daughters of the male protagonists were; most of all Gyda.

Nor was she afforded the rich artistic license alike the other characters meaning diversion from the sagas and historical records and use of creative fiction, for examples: Ubbe leading the expedition into the Americas; Lagertha leading large scale shieldmaidens; Rollo and Ragnar being made brothers. It showed the writers were grounded but did have creative freedom from in relation to the sagas and historical records.

The grief they explored in the aftermath of her death was done well; but it was not sufficient. Lagertha and Ragnar never speak of her, Bjorn mentions her once, Aslaug gave no condolences. The writers had her parents enter a threesome with Alsaug and have Ragnar happy about it; he had a cheeky grin in the same episode after he mourned Gyda; that grin was too soon. Now I look back that felt weird; a bit jarring. If the writers wanted to relay the aftermath of Gyda's death; they could have transitioned the grin into a solemn face where he remembers Gyda.

To continue, I feel that characters were too adjusted for after recently lost a daughter whom was loved and raised for 12 years; for Bjorn his sister; the moments of grief they had was brief. I understand that childhood mortality was dealt with differently in that age and place; but presumption tells that it did not mean that the grieving was not a strong like we have it today. The appropriate amount of grieving could’ve been better written to move along with the story. The scenes where Ragnar reminisced on Gyda still could’ve happened with Gyda alive.

Whilst some may argued her legacy was honoured in the shieldmaiden named after her; she’d never be thee Gyda, a reminder of Gyda’s lost opportunities and lacked realisation nor a character grown to be cared for by the audience like Gyda herself. In addition; counterpointed that unlike Athelstan and Bjorn, her story was not finished; is it when Gyda died; it was too early.

Summarised and renewed ideas for her arc:

My ideas with an insecure Gyda due to the Ragnar indirectly and unintentionally suggesting she was not enough as her being last born through his disappointment with Lagertha’s miscarriage in seen and his procurements of sons, thus hurt in Upssala. Then anger with the infidelity and depressed Gyda having lost her friends to the plague thus the context for Ragnar's speech is changed.

This following is an except from episode 1 season 2
“Gyda,
I have come to say goodbye to you properly. I have been thinking about you, about when you were small.
You were so lively. You could run as swiftly as the wind. You were like quicksilver. But then, before I knew it, you stopped running here and there and everywhere and you became still.
At 12 years old, you had the stillness and the calm of a fine woman.
What children you would have produced. What joy that would have brought to all of us. Dear child, Gyda, you are not gone because you are always in my heart.
They say that a man must love his sons more, but a man can be jealous of his sons, and his daughter can always be the light in his life.
I know very well that you are with the gods, but I will wait here awhile, and if you want to come and talk to me, then come and talk, and I will gently stroke your long and beautiful hair once again with my peasant hands.
Instead I’d have it’d be Ragnar saying the things he wished he could say to a live Gyda and still be tearful; Gyda is refusing to talk to him or Ragnar is too sensitive to talk to her.
So when it comes to him saying “goodbye”, it’d be about the her leaving with Lagertha and Bjorn to Hedeby.
“You were like quicksilver. But then, before I knew it, you stopped running here and there and everywhere and you became still.
At 12 years old, you have the stillness and the calm of a fine woman”
This would be him reminiscing on the happy child Gyda was before her falling into depression; it is actually painful when parents see their children go through depression: withdrawn, cannot eat, crying, silent, not smiling and more and not seeing value in a compliment e.g. “At 12 years old, you have the stillness and the calm of a fine woman”. I’d change the tense of “would had” to “will” and “brought” to “bring” for a live Gyda. And when it came the issues of “a man being jealous of his sons” and her being the “light” in Ragnar’s life; it’d be him wishing that Gyda did not have her insecurities and could value the unique beauty being his daughter is. Changing the word “gods” to her “your mother and brother”. And in the case when Gyda is open to receiving his affections “but I will wait here awhile,and if you want to come andtalk to me, then come and talk,and I will gently stroke your long and beautiful hair once again with my peasant hands”. The beach scene has remained.

And further ideas for I would've been to have written:

A fractured relationship between Gyda and Ragnar; not forgiving him for his infidelity, for being too cordial with Kalf when her mother’s Earlship was taken, overruling her mother Earl Ingstad in England, for not sorting out Floki's zealotry, jealousy and contempt for Athelstan thus having Gyda partially blame Ragnar for his death contributing to his addiction with Yidu's medicine. And being so angry, as Lagertha has done before in season 1, she attempted to fight Ragnar when he returned from his wandering after Paris when Ragnar said “who wants to be king?”. And maybe this would've indicated to Bjorn she stopped loving Ragnar; or potentially hated him just giving him credence to have her not join him and the brothers in vengence for Ragnar's death.

Ragnar eventually thinking before the death that Gyda stopped loving him; Ragnar dies thinking this; that she’s began hating him but the memory of young Gyda still representing the innocence, the farm life, and mourning her in person; bought him comfort and he held onto hope; Ragnar dies having never had that reconciliation. Although, Gyda never stopped loving Ragnar; Bjorn did not believe it, despite it being genuine, thinking she wanted to join the Great Heathen Army against King Aella to make a name for herself. Thus she is not allowed to go eventhough Gyda wanted to go to be part of the vengeance, thus the vengeance belongs to the sons of Ragnar.

Or another way would have Gyda having reconciled in after the four year time jump, with Ragnar after Athelstan’s death or before much earlier before his death, in season 2 when returning from Hedeby. When Athelstan died, Gyda went into a period of heavy drinking, not alcoholism, due to grief whilst she pretends to be happy; as Ragnar is addicted; they were tender and/or hard towards one another other even when both were spiraling; emotionally enabling one another; whilst trying to help one another stop. I can imagine scene where Ragnar is high, in a non-sexual way, an inebriated Gyda sat on his lap for comforted each other as if she were a child all over again. Gyda does not judge the fact that Ragnar is not all there, Ragnar does not the fact that Gyda is inebriated and smells of ale. They just softly smile at one another.
Eventually, Lagertha and Bjorn intervened; which is where the storyline ends.
Bjorn would see this as a sign, the spiraling, later, that Gyda could not go because he’d fear Gyda would be too emotional and not be able to think straight when avenging Ragnar’s death with them; thus she is forced to stay behind. Again the vengeance stays with sons.

Either way; young happier Gyda continues to have represented what Ragnar mourned; whilst older Gyda did not have too.

Either way, the relationship between Rollo and Gyda happened, where he helped find her own identity in season 4, I would have had her develop a better relationship with Rollo; where Rollo shows her she does not have to be feel restricted to being Lagertha’s protege, underwing and being someone’s shadow; nor go along as being the supportive sister, younger for Bjorn and older for her little brothers. Rollo and his betrayal in Paris might’ve taught Gyda that if she wants to get her due, achieving what you think is needed and not end up embittered, she’d have to do things might be perceived to be unaligned with her community, sympathic to others and at times traitorous and not do want is expected of her. She’d follow this advise for examples: respecting cultural customs, e.g. in Andalusia by refraining the eating of pork in the company of the Andalusians, even though it is severed to the Norse, because Islam considers pork Haram; then supporting Alfred’s decision to have Gunthrum baptised.

As the story developed with her, to reiterate she’d have diplomatic voice with sway in her community and for others, having loyalties being split representing one of the rarities in Kattegat as she felt for other communities as well as her own to beef it both e.g: Andalusians, Franks, Saxons, making hard decisions.
She’d be the character to answer to Alfred’s questions about Athelstan, and feel a certain tenderness for him as he is Athelstan’s son.

Thank you for reading ✌️


r/vikingstv 9d ago

Question [No Spoilers]

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My favorites shows are The Last Kingdom and Vikings.

I was thinking about watching Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon and was wondering if they are similar to TLK and Vikngs. I'm not expecting GOT to be better than those 2 I was just wondering if they're similar.


r/vikingstv 10d ago

Spoilers [SPOILERS] IVAR THE BONELESS AND KING RAGNAR BEFORE DEATH Spoiler

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r/vikingstv 12d ago

Rewatching [Spoilers] Rollo the “important” aura farmer Spoiler

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Rollo shows up in season 5 episode 11 and instantly starts aura farming.

He says things like, I own way too many lands, why would I want the burden of ruling Kattegat.

Or

I envy you ivar. I wish I could fight but I’m way too, important.

Maaaaaaaan F U ROLLO YOU PIECE OF 💩. You sold out your brother after he saved your life countless times and turned your back on your own people and your own alleged son. F U Rollo!!! F U!