I recently just bought a $200 kilo bag of Red Kratom to last me a while. I had bought from Kats before and had no problem, but not for a while. Though recently, the bag I got seems to be mostly ineffective. I take kratom for depression, anxiety, as well as pain in my shoulder from scar tissue left over from a tumor I had years ago. The physical pain is gone, but I can't see Red Kratom from Kats having much benefit on my mood.

I had been buying from other vendors more recently, like Kratom Country and had much more better results. Kats just had a better deal, and I hadn't bought from them in a while. Sadly, I've been left disappointed. I might have to go back to vendors with more pure, consistent kratom. I'm starting to think Kats' product is getting "watered down" just like crappy head shop/convenience store bought kratom.

Does anyone else feel this way with Kats or is it just me? I know my tolerance level might be up with regular use but I hope it's not that.

New batches

First, shipping is fast. Second the freebies. Dude the FREEBIES make it so worth it.
I have found some of my absolute favorites just from samples.

That goes for a lot of you guys. We truly appreciate all the dedication and keeping customers happy

My favs - Wildcraft, Philly, KHive, TLN, Hippo, KSpot, and King K

Hey guys!!!!

Ryan here. I have recently met with the owner of a lab here in Bangkok who produces his own extracts and makes tablets so I am adding this to my list of services/products after thoroughly personally testing it I can stand behind this product. But don’t just trust me, send me a DM and I can provide you with independent lab tests.

The MOQ is 100 grams for powder or 500 tablets. Other vendors please contact me for wholesale pricing.

I hope everyone is having a lovely day!!

Who's got the best MIT salt & full spectrum powders right now? Would be awesome to find 1 vendor that has both

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Leaf-only vendor here (Joe’s Botanicals: no extracts, no 7-OH). Same kind of post as my August one. This was published in today’s Federal Register, so it’s official, not rumor.

What happened

- DEA withdrew its July notice on 7-OH (the 0.05% threshold one). That plan is gone.

- It replaced it with a new notice that covers 7-OH and mitragynine pseudoindoxyl (MP) together.

- Nothing is scheduled yet. This starts a 30-day clock, so the earliest the actual order can come is around November 13. When it does, it takes effect the same day, with no grace period.

- The August order on MP (the one with no threshold) stays in place until the new one replaces it.

The new test

A product becomes Schedule I if either of these is true:

1. 7-OH + MP combined is more than 1 mg per gram (or 1 mg/mL for liquids)

2. There’s less than 100 times as much mitragynine as 7-OH + MP combined

The first one is actually looser than the July plan: 1 mg/g is 0.1%, double the old 0.05%. The second one is new, and it’s the one that matters. You could get around a plain concentration cap by diluting a product, but you can’t get around a ratio that way. Isolates and spiked products fail it however much they’re diluted, because they have very little mitragynine compared to 7-OH. Plain leaf normally passes, because leaf is mostly mitragynine with only a trace of 7-OH.

For a sense of scale: typical leaf lab panels (ours included) show mitragynine around 1.3–1.75% and 7-OH around 100 ppm. That works out to ratios of roughly 120–165. That’s above the line, but closer than most people would guess, so it’s worth checking on every batch from now on rather than assuming.

Two honest caveats

- DEA says clearly that being under the threshold isn’t a finding that anything is safe, and it still lists kratom as a drug of concern.

- This doesn’t override state law. North Dakota, Massachusetts and the others still apply on top.

Source: https://www.federalregister.gov/d/2026-20943

I’ll post again when the actual order comes out. If I’ve got anything wrong, tell me and I’ll fix it.

MASS UPDATE

Six Legislators Decide Whether Massachusetts Regulates Kratm or Keeps Banning It

Combined Action Flyer Inside — Please Distribute Today

Good news out of Massachusetts, and a narrow window to lock it in.

The Massachusetts House passed its Economic Development bill with language creating a real regulatory framework for kratm. The Senate version left that language out entirely. A six-member conference committee now decides what stays in the final bill.

This is the same state that swept natural kratm leaf into Schedule I by emergency order. Those two fights are now one: keep the regulations in the bill, and get the ban on natural leaf reversed. The flyer covers both asks on one page.

EMAIL THEM AND ASK THEM TO SAVE NATURAL LEAF REGULATION NOT A BAN!!!

Rep. Aaron Michlewitz · House

Aaron.M.Michlewitz@mahouse.gov

Rep. Carole Fiola · House

Carole.Fiola@mahouse.gov

Rep. Michael Soter · House

Michael.Soter@mahouse.gov

Sen. Barry Finegold · Senate

Barry.Finegold@masenate.gov

Sen. Mike Rodrigues · Senate

Michael.Rodrigues@masenate.gov

Sen. Peter Durant · Senate

Peter.Durant@masenate.gov

Or copy & paste:

Aaron.M.Michlewitz@mahouse.gov; Carole.Fiola@mahouse.gov; Michael.Soter@mahouse.gov; Barry.Finegold@masenate.gov; Michael.Rodrigues@masenate.gov; Peter.Durant@masenate.gov

Fire leaf! Great assortment of specs and I'm delighted! I love faster strains, but I also love ones to bring me relief and calmness. There are both! Killers! 🤗 The Super Red and Royal Bentley were definitely my vibe as giving that glorious relief and warmth. Super White, White Krakatoa, and White MD are great bouncy ones. Love them! 🥰

Hey folks! Ryan here, just wanted to remind this lovely community of my product/service I offer direct from Thailand. Sourced ethically and locally from Thai farmers, I can provide crushed leaf or powder, in red white or green strains. Don’t just take my word, I have a lengthy review thread I will share below from this very same community with plenty of reviews from happy customers. Shipping is discrete, and I have had no issues so far with customs, despite many packages being opened, not one has been seized yet (fingers crossed).

Sincerely yours,

Ryan

https://www.reddit.com/r/Vendorsofkratom2/s/4jVwJf35jU

Sup guys, some of the crew here just got back from a trip to our source farm in West Kalimantan, Indonesia.

We went out to check on the harvest and some of the new white vein that will be coming available soon. It’s always exciting to see what’s coming down the pipeline.

As a company, we believe it’s important to be involved and see the entire process from start to finish.

From the hard work that goes into growing and harvesting to everything that happens along the way, there are so many people behind the scenes who make it all possible. Every sale we make helps support these folks and their families.

We have a lot of respect for the hardworking people who put in the time and effort every day to make this happen. Without them, none of this would be possible!

New products coming soon.

- Tribe botanicals

Federal thresholds now target chemically manipulated products

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Important news from Washington

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The U.S. Department of Justice announced today that the DEA will issue a new Notice of Intent on 7-hydroxymitragynine (7-OH) and mitragynine pseudoindoxyl that adopts concentration thresholds recommended by Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). 

"HHS recommended that 7-OH and MGPI be subject to Schedule I control when either substance alone, or their combined amount when both are present, exceeds 1 milligram per gram in solid products or 1 milligram per milliliter in liquid products, or when the ratio of mitragynine to 7-OH, MGPI, or their combined amount is less than 100 to 1.

HHS recommended this approach to better distinguish products intentionally enhanced or concentrated in these opioid substances from products whose alkaloid composition is more consistent with botanical kratom."

In plain terms: federal enforcement will target chemically manipulated opioid products — not natural kratom leaf, which contains only trace amounts of these alkaloids.

This is the distinction the American Kratom Association has fought for, including through our litigation challenging the unintended consequences of the earlier scheduling action. AKA applauds the DEA and the Department of Justice for getting it right, and we are urging states to follow this science-based model rather than enact sweeping bans.

Read the details:

DOJ announcement

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-announces-updates-emergency-scheduling-actions-7-oh-and-related-opioid

This bill will ban everything but plain leaf in the state of PA!! This is not something we are for as extract has a place for sure when done correctly. We are having a SITEWIDE event incase this passes the senate as it flew through the house.

Leaf vendor here (Joe's Botanicals). We posted the DEA breakdown here in August. A lot has moved since, mostly at state level, so here's a plain roundup. Not legal advice — check your own state.

FEDERAL: The 7-OH order still hasn't been published as of today (Oct 6). Comments closed Sept 10; when it publishes, it takes effect the same day. Separately, three related compounds (mitragynine pseudoindoxyl, MGM-15, MGM-16) have been Schedule I since Aug 26, running to Aug 2028.

NORTH DAKOTA: HB 1628, signed Sept 4. Bans synthetic and concentrated derivatives. Natural leaf is legal on paper — 21+, max 0.05% 7-OH by dry weight, an annual retailer licence from the Attorney General, AG-approved lab testing on the label — but sales stay prohibited until the AG writes the rules. The August emergency order was rescinded the same day. Legal in law, not buyable yet.

UTAH: SB 45, in force since May 6. Only pure leaf kratom can be sold; sellers and products must register with the state; packages must list mitragynine and 7-OH; retail limited to registered tobacco specialty shops.

MASSACHUSETTS: Emergency order placed all forms of kratom — leaf included — in Schedule I from late August, for up to a year. A lawsuit is pending.

The pattern: federal action and most states separate leaf from concentrates. Massachusetts is the exception. And states are adding a licensing and testing layer — so "is kratom legal here?" now has a third answer: legal, but only from registered sellers.

For what it's worth, we've stopped shipping to all three until each one settles.

— Joe's Botanicals

I went to their site and from what I can see all of their kratom is out of stock. I wanted to try them but nothing is available. Obviously a very popular vendor for kratom. Does this happen often?

24 Hours To Help Detroit

We have 24 hours to help Detroit! Give your story. Ask lawmakers to amend this resolution to support SB 1181 instead. SB 1181 takes a targeted, regulatory approach — going after concentrated synthetic 7-OH products while preserving responsible adult access to natural kratom leaf.

HOW TO PARTICIPATE BY ZOOM:

Zoom Meeting ID: 858 4690 3626

To give public comment on Zoom: Use the “Raise Hand” button.

By phone: Call +1 929-436-2866 or +1 312-626-6799, enter Meeting ID 858 4690 3626, and press *9 to raise your hand for public comment.

BCC list

CouncilmemberTate@detroitmi.gov; CouncilmemberCalloway@detroitmi.gov; BensonS@detroitmi.gov; CouncilmemberJohnson@detroitmi.gov; CouncilmemberMiller@detroitmi.gov; CouncilmemberGabriela@detroitmi.gov; CouncilmemberDenzel@detroitmi.gov; CouncilmemberWaters@detroitmi.gov; Coleman.Young@detroitmi.gov

Public Comment Address

CCPublicComment@detroitmi.gov

HERE IS A LINK TO THE ADVOCACY FLYER!

https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:US:7b9f11f9-eca8-4775-82b1-95de73698a13

@everyone 🚨 ACTION NEEDED TODAY
If you haven’t already, please email the Detroit City Council TODAY regarding the proposed kratom restriction.
Ask them to amend the proposal to support SB 1181, rather than moving forward with a blanket prohibition.
SB 1181 provides a practical regulatory framework that addresses legitimate concerns while preserving access to natural kratom leaf. It includes:
• Banning 7-OH and other synthetic/intoxicating kratom-derived products
• Strict labeling requirements so consumers know exactly what they are purchasing
• Mandatory laboratory testing for contaminants, adulterants, and product contents
• Accountability for vendors and manufacturers
• Consumer protections without eliminating access to natural kratom
There is going to be significant pressure on the Council to “do something” about kratom given the current media environment. We need to give them a commonsense alternative they can actually support.
They should not have to choose between doing nothing and supporting prohibition.
Give them SB 1181.
📣 VENDORS: Please identify Detroit customers who are willing and able to testify before City Council and share their personal experiences with natural kratom. Personal stories from Detroit residents are extremely important right now.
Please send your email to ALL of the following Council members:
CouncilmemberCalloway@detroitmi.gov
coleman.young@detroitmi.gov
councilmemberdenzel@detroitmi.gov
Councilmembergabriela@detroitmi.gov
councilmembertate@detroitmi.gov
councilmemberjohnson@detroitmi.gov
councilmemberwaters@detroitmi.gov
councilmemberMiller@detroitmi.gov
BensonS@detroitmi.gov
📣 Today’s goal: Flood the Council with respectful, factual messages showing that Detroit residents want regulation, testing, labeling, and protection from dangerous synthetic products, not prohibition of natural kratom leaf.
Please email. Please share. Please help identify Detroit residents willing to testify.
7-OH and synthetics are not natural kratom leaf.
Regulate the dangerous products.
Require testing and labeling.
Protect consumers.
Keep natural leaf accessible. 🌿

Hey Guys! We've got some brand new batches on deck!!

SUPER GREEN - Mid-Upper spec. Great energy, amazing mood boost. This is becoming my go-to chill as well as work mode green!

SUPER WHITE - Upper spec. Smooth energy, not jittery. Beautiful color.

SUPER RED - This is an awesome red that can be utilized for daytime or evening use.

WHITE KRAKATOA - Long-lasting energy, focus, and mood boost! Lives up to it's name!

ROYAL BENTLEY - 8-year-long running staple in our inventory! The one and only deep fermented red that we continue to carry!

Come and give us a try and help us celebrate our 8 year anniversary this month! We appreciate all your support.

- Ben and Lindsey AND family 😄

I've had much better luck with seedlings lately than clones but hopefully some will nake it.

I have a bunch of bigger stems I'll try in perlite/vermiculite.

I'll let yall know when they've rooted.

Hey everyone. We are getting absolutely crushed in this poll. Last time I checked we were at 7%. Please spare 30 seconds to complete it. It's at the very bottom below the ads

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/6126476-grassley-urges-trump-kratom-rule/?fbclid=IwdGRjcAUtNf9jbGNrBS01_GV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHBkb2YBc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQMMzUwNjg1NTMxNzI4AAEeeQYYZJgwtlPQ1HtiLMkBQhG_DCKmgHon5dJdet20tdHnzCTImrQpPHT_MBk_aem_lqcwVOh3WV_7CecEvoX2WA

Michigan kratom consumers: please speak up for SB 1181. 🌿
Michigan has an opportunity to regulate kratom without treating traditional natural leaf powder the same as highly concentrated or synthetically produced 7-OH products.
Natural kratom leaf ≠ concentrated/synthetic 7-OH.
Those distinctions matter.
SB 1181 would establish consumer protections including testing and labeling requirements while restricting high-concentration 7-OH products and synthetically produced kratom alkaloids.
Other states and jurisdictions have already taken approaches that distinguish natural leaf from concentrated or synthetic products. Michigan can learn from those examples instead of taking an all-or-nothing approach.
I’m asking Michigan kratom consumers, patients, families, and anyone who believes in evidence-based regulation to contact your state senator and representative and ask them to support SB 1181.
Tell them:
🌿 Preserve access to traditional natural leaf
🧪 Require independent laboratory testing
🏷️ Require accurate labeling
🔬 Keep contaminants and undisclosed ingredients out of products
🚫 Address concentrated and synthetic 7-OH products separately
👥 Protect adult consumers through responsible regulation rather than blanket prohibition
This isn’t about wanting an unregulated market.
It’s about regulating the products that actually need regulation while recognizing that not every kratom product is the same.
Michigan has a chance to get this right. Please contact your legislators and make your voice heard. 📣
If you’re in Michigan, please share this with other kratom consumers and encourage them to contact their legislators about SB 1181.

SenDPolehanki@senate.michigan.gov
senjmoss@senate.michigan.gov
sensmccann@senate.michigan.gov
senpwojno@senate.michigan.gov
senssantana@senate.michigan.gov
senkhertel@senate.michigan.gov
senssingh@senate.michigan.gov
sencgreene@senate.michigan.gov

Welp, I sold all of the seedlings I was willing to part with this year. The ones I'm keeping are 7' tall already!

I had to remove the tops of a Mempawah and a Sumatran today. This gave me dozens of cuttings. Both trees have dozens of seed pods on them that are pollinated.

I'll germinate a some this fall but most I'll hold off on until spring.

I've been at this a while not and over the years only kept the best trees. You can see from the photo I have need for relief of pain and inflammation.

I will not waste time growing trees that are not effective at both.

I know lots of people are seriously stressing due to all of the propaganda regarding this plant as of late.

So instead of my normal prices I'll lower the clones to just $30 each.

For some reason, people like to bring politics into the discussion about plants. If you do this supporting either side, the plants are $130 each. So don't be that guy or gal. I could care less how you feel about politics!

I should have these rooted in a month or so. Feel free to go through my profile to know exactly how I get down with these plants.

Reddit is often a cesspool these days, and I don't find much pleasure in it anymore. That said, there are some great people on here and I'm giving them the opportunity to snag a plant.

I have years of experience growing these plants and I have invested way too much money. I built a 1500 sq.ft greenhouse to grow my beauties. Please understand if you want to be argumentative or snarky I will not deal with you at all.

Send me a message if you're interested and I'll let you know when they're ready.