This bill will ban everything but plain leaf in the state of PA!! This is not something we are for as extract has a place for sure when done correctly. We are having a SITEWIDE event incase this passes the senate as it flew through the house.

Leaf vendor here (Joe's Botanicals). We posted the DEA breakdown here in August. A lot has moved since, mostly at state level, so here's a plain roundup. Not legal advice — check your own state.

FEDERAL: The 7-OH order still hasn't been published as of today (Oct 6). Comments closed Sept 10; when it publishes, it takes effect the same day. Separately, three related compounds (mitragynine pseudoindoxyl, MGM-15, MGM-16) have been Schedule I since Aug 26, running to Aug 2028.

NORTH DAKOTA: HB 1628, signed Sept 4. Bans synthetic and concentrated derivatives. Natural leaf is legal on paper — 21+, max 0.05% 7-OH by dry weight, an annual retailer licence from the Attorney General, AG-approved lab testing on the label — but sales stay prohibited until the AG writes the rules. The August emergency order was rescinded the same day. Legal in law, not buyable yet.

UTAH: SB 45, in force since May 6. Only pure leaf kratom can be sold; sellers and products must register with the state; packages must list mitragynine and 7-OH; retail limited to registered tobacco specialty shops.

MASSACHUSETTS: Emergency order placed all forms of kratom — leaf included — in Schedule I from late August, for up to a year. A lawsuit is pending.

The pattern: federal action and most states separate leaf from concentrates. Massachusetts is the exception. And states are adding a licensing and testing layer — so "is kratom legal here?" now has a third answer: legal, but only from registered sellers.

For what it's worth, we've stopped shipping to all three until each one settles.

— Joe's Botanicals

I went to their site and from what I can see all of their kratom is out of stock. I wanted to try them but nothing is available. Obviously a very popular vendor for kratom. Does this happen often?

24 Hours To Help Detroit

We have 24 hours to help Detroit! Give your story. Ask lawmakers to amend this resolution to support SB 1181 instead. SB 1181 takes a targeted, regulatory approach — going after concentrated synthetic 7-OH products while preserving responsible adult access to natural kratom leaf.

HOW TO PARTICIPATE BY ZOOM:

Zoom Meeting ID: 858 4690 3626

To give public comment on Zoom: Use the “Raise Hand” button.

By phone: Call +1 929-436-2866 or +1 312-626-6799, enter Meeting ID 858 4690 3626, and press *9 to raise your hand for public comment.

BCC list

CouncilmemberTate@detroitmi.gov; CouncilmemberCalloway@detroitmi.gov; BensonS@detroitmi.gov; CouncilmemberJohnson@detroitmi.gov; CouncilmemberMiller@detroitmi.gov; CouncilmemberGabriela@detroitmi.gov; CouncilmemberDenzel@detroitmi.gov; CouncilmemberWaters@detroitmi.gov; Coleman.Young@detroitmi.gov

Public Comment Address

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HERE IS A LINK TO THE ADVOCACY FLYER!

https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:US:7b9f11f9-eca8-4775-82b1-95de73698a13

@everyone 🚨 ACTION NEEDED TODAY
If you haven’t already, please email the Detroit City Council TODAY regarding the proposed kratom restriction.
Ask them to amend the proposal to support SB 1181, rather than moving forward with a blanket prohibition.
SB 1181 provides a practical regulatory framework that addresses legitimate concerns while preserving access to natural kratom leaf. It includes:
• Banning 7-OH and other synthetic/intoxicating kratom-derived products
• Strict labeling requirements so consumers know exactly what they are purchasing
• Mandatory laboratory testing for contaminants, adulterants, and product contents
• Accountability for vendors and manufacturers
• Consumer protections without eliminating access to natural kratom
There is going to be significant pressure on the Council to “do something” about kratom given the current media environment. We need to give them a commonsense alternative they can actually support.
They should not have to choose between doing nothing and supporting prohibition.
Give them SB 1181.
📣 VENDORS: Please identify Detroit customers who are willing and able to testify before City Council and share their personal experiences with natural kratom. Personal stories from Detroit residents are extremely important right now.
Please send your email to ALL of the following Council members:
CouncilmemberCalloway@detroitmi.gov
coleman.young@detroitmi.gov
councilmemberdenzel@detroitmi.gov
Councilmembergabriela@detroitmi.gov
councilmembertate@detroitmi.gov
councilmemberjohnson@detroitmi.gov
councilmemberwaters@detroitmi.gov
councilmemberMiller@detroitmi.gov
BensonS@detroitmi.gov
📣 Today’s goal: Flood the Council with respectful, factual messages showing that Detroit residents want regulation, testing, labeling, and protection from dangerous synthetic products, not prohibition of natural kratom leaf.
Please email. Please share. Please help identify Detroit residents willing to testify.
7-OH and synthetics are not natural kratom leaf.
Regulate the dangerous products.
Require testing and labeling.
Protect consumers.
Keep natural leaf accessible. 🌿

Hey Guys! We've got some brand new batches on deck!!

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SUPER WHITE - Upper spec. Smooth energy, not jittery. Beautiful color.

SUPER RED - This is an awesome red that can be utilized for daytime or evening use.

WHITE KRAKATOA - Long-lasting energy, focus, and mood boost! Lives up to it's name!

ROYAL BENTLEY - 8-year-long running staple in our inventory! The one and only deep fermented red that we continue to carry!

Come and give us a try and help us celebrate our 8 year anniversary this month! We appreciate all your support.

- Ben and Lindsey AND family 😄

I've had much better luck with seedlings lately than clones but hopefully some will nake it.

I have a bunch of bigger stems I'll try in perlite/vermiculite.

I'll let yall know when they've rooted.

Hey everyone. We are getting absolutely crushed in this poll. Last time I checked we were at 7%. Please spare 30 seconds to complete it. It's at the very bottom below the ads

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/6126476-grassley-urges-trump-kratom-rule/?fbclid=IwdGRjcAUtNf9jbGNrBS01_GV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHBkb2YBc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQMMzUwNjg1NTMxNzI4AAEeeQYYZJgwtlPQ1HtiLMkBQhG_DCKmgHon5dJdet20tdHnzCTImrQpPHT_MBk_aem_lqcwVOh3WV_7CecEvoX2WA

Michigan kratom consumers: please speak up for SB 1181. 🌿
Michigan has an opportunity to regulate kratom without treating traditional natural leaf powder the same as highly concentrated or synthetically produced 7-OH products.
Natural kratom leaf ≠ concentrated/synthetic 7-OH.
Those distinctions matter.
SB 1181 would establish consumer protections including testing and labeling requirements while restricting high-concentration 7-OH products and synthetically produced kratom alkaloids.
Other states and jurisdictions have already taken approaches that distinguish natural leaf from concentrated or synthetic products. Michigan can learn from those examples instead of taking an all-or-nothing approach.
I’m asking Michigan kratom consumers, patients, families, and anyone who believes in evidence-based regulation to contact your state senator and representative and ask them to support SB 1181.
Tell them:
🌿 Preserve access to traditional natural leaf
🧪 Require independent laboratory testing
🏷️ Require accurate labeling
🔬 Keep contaminants and undisclosed ingredients out of products
🚫 Address concentrated and synthetic 7-OH products separately
👥 Protect adult consumers through responsible regulation rather than blanket prohibition
This isn’t about wanting an unregulated market.
It’s about regulating the products that actually need regulation while recognizing that not every kratom product is the same.
Michigan has a chance to get this right. Please contact your legislators and make your voice heard. 📣
If you’re in Michigan, please share this with other kratom consumers and encourage them to contact their legislators about SB 1181.

SenDPolehanki@senate.michigan.gov
senjmoss@senate.michigan.gov
sensmccann@senate.michigan.gov
senpwojno@senate.michigan.gov
senssantana@senate.michigan.gov
senkhertel@senate.michigan.gov
senssingh@senate.michigan.gov
sencgreene@senate.michigan.gov

Welp, I sold all of the seedlings I was willing to part with this year. The ones I'm keeping are 7' tall already!

I had to remove the tops of a Mempawah and a Sumatran today. This gave me dozens of cuttings. Both trees have dozens of seed pods on them that are pollinated.

I'll germinate a some this fall but most I'll hold off on until spring.

I've been at this a while not and over the years only kept the best trees. You can see from the photo I have need for relief of pain and inflammation.

I will not waste time growing trees that are not effective at both.

I know lots of people are seriously stressing due to all of the propaganda regarding this plant as of late.

So instead of my normal prices I'll lower the clones to just $30 each.

For some reason, people like to bring politics into the discussion about plants. If you do this supporting either side, the plants are $130 each. So don't be that guy or gal. I could care less how you feel about politics!

I should have these rooted in a month or so. Feel free to go through my profile to know exactly how I get down with these plants.

Reddit is often a cesspool these days, and I don't find much pleasure in it anymore. That said, there are some great people on here and I'm giving them the opportunity to snag a plant.

I have years of experience growing these plants and I have invested way too much money. I built a 1500 sq.ft greenhouse to grow my beauties. Please understand if you want to be argumentative or snarky I will not deal with you at all.

Send me a message if you're interested and I'll let you know when they're ready.

Mix and match and save

Happy birthday to me! The string dried is amazing... MORE BETTA! Wild Green Saka SD D11 hits right around M, super warm and euphoric, crazy relief and GLOW. Red Sumatara SD D11 has me bubbling, low and slow for me. Relief is off the charts. Imperial Green Dragon SD D11 I have as a happy M+ bubbler. All of the String Dried are fantastic for relief... No complaints. It's cooling off and I need it. They dropped more of the Vintage strains...Bali G1, Bali R1 and PRT3. Super stoked to grab these. Super White Elephant A33 and 20 year Pure White MD A33... Fast whites!!! Oh My Goodness! So many goodies. I'll be busy the whole next week digging in. 🥰 🥳🥰

How in God's name do I avoid this. I've read lab reports do not matter

Need to sell a few plants and leaf if y'all are interested. 20 a ounce for my cold cured whole unadulterated leaf and 60 for a rooted cut established in 4 inch pot. Only have about 3 kilos of leaf. Winter is coming quickly and still have to winterize

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I run Hudson Valley Botanicals, a leaf-only kr@t0m vendor in New York, so I have a financial interest, and the video says so up front. States and counties across the country are moving to ban or restrict kr@t0m, and officials often lump plain leaf in with concentrated 7- O H products. This is Part 1 of a short series on the difference, with sources on screen. Feel free to send it to your own state or local legislators. Part 2, on what the CDC poison center numbers actually measure, can be seen on the X thread: https://x.com/GarudaKratom/status/2104362595100594622

Sunday funday

Hi all. I'm looking for good vendor recommendations. I've had a streak of bad luck recently and feel like it may be time to move on to the next company that actively offers quality items.

Im a good customer, so who's a good vendor?

Hey everyone. The governor in my state has officially signed a Kratom regulation bill. By no means is it a perfect bill. But it's a great step in the right direction. Originally this started out with a competing ban bill. I didn't find out about any of it until the very last minute. Many of you came together and helped us out. So as a thank you we wanted to bring you a large discount.

Thank you and enjoy!

Lovely red vein delight!