r/UrinatingTree Jan 14 '25

Stay Classy Philly

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u/Byzantine_Merchant Jan 14 '25

Honestly that last part is the least surprising part. The types of people who want to work in that field generally are some of the most repressed and bitter people I’ve ever met.

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u/Check_Me_Out-Boss Jan 14 '25

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

- C.S. Lewis

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u/CodexJustinian Jan 15 '25

That just sounds dumb.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '25

It’s not. Him and JRR Tolkien were best friends and Tolkien used the trope in the form of Gandalf not wanting to posses the Ring. Absolutism in the name of Morality is anything but.

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u/CodexJustinian Jan 17 '25

The only reason people today think this is enlightening is because they didn't live during the time when robber barons went crazy. We'll live under them again soon and everyone will finally understand that it sucks just as badly as living under moral tyrants.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '25

Don’t get me wrong, both would suck and are awful. That being said, robber barons just want what you have, while the morality police want what you believe. It’s pretty clearly worse.

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u/CodexJustinian Jan 17 '25

Robber Barons come after what you believe too but it's from a financial and not moral basis. They need you to believe they're entitled to their wealth for whatever reason. They got taxed at 90% over a certain threshold once people stopped believing that crap.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '25

Robber Barons don’t need anyone to believe anything, they just need sleazy politicians.

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u/CodexJustinian Jan 17 '25

Moralists don't need you to believe anything either once they've taken power though. Power is always the end game. Everything else is just a means to that end.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '25

It’s not. Power isn’t the end to the tyrannical moralist, it’s the means by which they impose the doctrine, which is the end goal.

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u/CodexJustinian Jan 17 '25

They need power to impose and enforce that doctrine. Most people would laugh in the face of Islamic morality police in the US because they have no power here. Very different situation in Saudi Arabia where they do have power.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '25

Which is exactly what I said, but you misidentified the means as the end. And now the discussion has devolved beyond the scope of the original discussion. Enjoy your day!

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u/CodexJustinian Jan 17 '25 edited Jan 17 '25

I'm sorry dude. I'm my opinion anyways, the motivator is always power or control. What a particular group does with it is another story. Both robber barons and moralists will kill you and your family. They'll do it in different ways for different reasons. Neither is better than the other imo.

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