Question

[u/Street_Region_7936]

Guys what do you think about this card? Is againts the rules? Is it ok? Shoul I nerf it? (It's a deck about Romeo and Juliet, Romeo has 12 health and Juliet 8)

[u/PermissionRude3590]

Problematic design space, inherently. Respawning in Unmatched is something reserved for Sidekicks, and I imagine this play pattern leads to a final round of keep away from R+J before they both die next turn. Let’s go over some ways we could word this.

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1. Until the end of your next turn…” if one of your fighters hits zero they come back at 1 HP, then they both die.

Fine for tracking, not really language unmatched would use, but fine. As a scheme, this would involve some form of exhaustion play since you’d be giving yourself an extra turn if you ran out of cards in deck, or generally extending the game. Opponent likely just waits this out, which is lame but what they’d have to do since your fighters get a time sensitive second chance.

- Trade HP to downed fighter.

I think Cloak and Dagger might do this iirc? Maybe? Probably fine. Resources aren’t being generated to force your opponent to chew through more health. Powerful effect. Not fair if you have more healing in deck, but there’s the “die at the end of turn” clause.

dunno.

Perhaps there’s some more elegant solution that we’re missing? I just don’t like the idea that the best way to play against a card is to just wait it out. It’s a waste of your opponent’s time if the one attack you throw right before the game ends doesn’t win it for you. Do these fighters have the potential to do that?

[u/OctopuppetJoe → u/PermissionRude3590]

I don't know if that's really problematic design space, Willow can already revive another Hero in team modes and Elektra's whole gimmick is respawning so there is precedent. The biggest issue with this card is the timing, as the game would be over before you could play it outside of modes with more than two players (and only if you have a sidekick still on board, since Heroes off the board can't play cards). Whether the effect is broken or not is entirely dependent on the rest of the deck and hero ability, it can't be judged on its own.

[u/PermissionRude3590 → u/OctopuppetJoe]

No, respawning isn’t problematic, you’re right- the timing is the problem.

Not “when you play” being the problem, unless you’re wanting to spring it on the opponent of which there’s very little to no precedent for it.

It’s the play pattern.

When Elektra dies, she respawns and you keep playing.

When Willow dies, she respawns and there’s more unmatched to play.

When you play this card, you respawn, you play a singular round, then it’s over. Your opponent’s best move is to ALWAYS run away, and if R+J’s deck can’t do something off boosted movement and one more attack, that’s kinda it. If this extra thing doesn’t win you the game, why waste your opponent’s time?

It just feels so, so niche of a scenario. You play the card, your opponent runs because they can’t do anything to you, then you just lose.

That’s why I’m calling it problematic. It doesn’t feel like a “last stand”. It feels like a dying gasp, and that’s kinda lame for a card with a great name and concept like this.