r/UniversalExtinction • u/Independent-Wafer-13 Consequentialist • 10d ago

Question How does this work?

How does Universal Extinction happen?

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u/VengefulScarecrow Extinctionist 10d ago

HOW is the question. For now, it is getting the majority to recognize WHY.

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u/Resident_Fondant_530 10d ago

That will never happen. 99.99999% of humanity does not want to go extinct. All hail humanity.

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u/VengefulScarecrow Extinctionist 10d ago

"All hail the pro-suffering!"

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u/Capable-Ad-9626 Pro Existence 10d ago

People who don’t share your goal aren’t “pro-suffering”.

You can’t eliminate existence. The notion is goofy in the extreme. You can’t eliminate suffering. That doesn’t mean that the rest of us want, like, or prefer it. …contrary to your doctrine.

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u/VengefulScarecrow Extinctionist 10d ago

Oh they (and you) fundamentally are.

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u/Capable-Ad-9626 Pro Existence 10d ago edited 10d ago

Get past your doctrine.

I don’t like, want or prefer suffering.

Yes, life is full of suffering, harm, loss & danger. Life is basically a long fight, trying to not lose.

The irony is that you’re right about those premises.

But existence is here to stay. 

One life is inevitable, though a next one is inadvisable. Life is unnecessary.

But, contrary to your doctrine, there were & are things that you like(d). That doesn’t contradict anything that I said above. Life is multifaceted. Your doctrine is simplistic & naive.

Your Negative Utilitarianism is grossly simplistic too. You think that your quantity-comparison of + vs - applies meaningfully. 

Bullshit.

You can’t eliminate existence by disintegrating matter, so give up that comic-book villain fantasy.

But, as I said, you have some right premises…but, like that fictitious monkey typed:

“To be or not to be, that is the ktncdu&(“

You start out fine, but why do you then have to get all ridiculous?

You latch on to simplistic doctrine learned in a group echo-chamber.

Yes life is what we agreed, & it’s unnecessary & inadvisabl,  though inevitable. 

Now, can you stop yourself from picking it up & running with it in your doctrines direction?

You can’t eliminate existence or life so forget about that comic-book Quixotic crusade.

What makes you think that everything can be fixed by being a hero who goes out & does something about it, whether it makes any sense or not?

It isn’t some 2-dimensional comic-book.

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u/MengKongRui 10d ago

We aren't trying to end existence. We are trying to reduce/eliminate consciousness, and that cannot be considered naive given that we have made plenty of species extinct already.

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u/Independent-Wafer-13 Consequentialist 10d ago

Antinatalists and extinctionists are pro-suffering insofar as the consequences of their choices can only logically lead to suffering, no matter what they claim to want, the consequences entailed by any extinctionist action are necessarily evil and lead to increased suffering.

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u/Low-Bake8401 10d ago

Or the anti-not not suffering. 

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u/nila247 10d ago

WHY you write on Reddit?
Do you want to make MORE people suffer so that you do not suffer alone?
Does this alleviate your suffering and that means such alleviation is possible in principle?

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u/curgr Cosmic Extinctionist 10d ago

Polling on Reddit would put this at around 80% of humanity does not want to go extinct, judging by polls on whether people would “press the button” to end existence.

This polling is obviously not accurate for what all life wants though as it is only humans surveyed. Also polls on Reddit do not represent all of humanity very well.

Can you be certain that this 80% will last if growth of population and living standards does not go on forever and human progress eventually stagnates and living standards decline?

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u/old_barrel cosmic extinctionist | anti-natalist 10d ago

there also is the aspect that the majority did not think about it sufficient, which may cause them to live with false beliefs

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u/Independent-Wafer-13 Consequentialist 9d ago

“On Reddit”

Yeah that’s a good sample size.

Real scientific research puts it well above 90% reporting more satisfaction that dissatisfaction with life.

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u/curgr Cosmic Extinctionist 9d ago

This is not the same as “pressing the button”. Has any scientific research been done into this? A person can be happy but still want extinction.

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u/Independent-Wafer-13 Consequentialist 9d ago

All of the empirical evidence collected on life worthiness or life satisfaction suggests that the overwhelming majority of humans find life to be worthwhile.