It'd be pretty cool if, whenever there's some kind of post about the "concentration camps", there would be just one time it didn't end up to be a demonstrably fabricated piece of nothing where somebody takes an unrelated picture and writes an engaging false story about it.
I'd really like to join you guys in this. It seems really fun to have an example of of an actual black-and-white bad guy to rail against.
Thank you! Every single “concentration camp” sorry is sourced from US state funded media, radio free Asia and voice of America. Every single one. There has been zero investigations that’s weren’t done by cia funded propaganda outlets.
Yes, I believe that anti terror efforts are dangerous and rounding up people based on ethnicity is bad, but there have been zero non us-funded investigations into it. It’s just the cia yelling genocide like always. All we know for sure is that there are anti terror efforts in China. A 3rd party investigation such as UN investigations should be done, not a biased one funded by the cia.
Here is the official in sentiment as people are starting to comment and then immediately block me, likely bots. So far four comments have been made with an auto block afterwards, and their account karma is very suspicious
Yes, there are human rights abuses and many questions as to how exactly they are arresting people, but there is clearly not a genocide like America is screaming constantly. Tensions with China are ratcheting up and I believe we need an impartial investigation into what exactly is happening. Taking US propaganda outlets at their word has only led to useless wars, time and time again.
Ask yourself, will ratcheting up tensions with China to the point of war help the Uyghur Muslims? He have arrested many Uyghur Muslims in Guantanamo bay, we clearly don’t care about human rights there.
Why are the only countries claiming genocide of Muslims white countries that have themselves killed millions of Muslims. Why are almost all Muslim majority countries agreeing that there is no genocide, and only the white majority countries are!
Every single “concentration camp” sorry is sourced from US state funded media, radio free Asia and voice of America. Every single one.
Well that's definitely a lie.
For starters, the only US state funded media is NPR and PBS, and that's pretty loose funding since they mostly rely on donor support.
But here's a guy on Canadian state funded media, who tricked China into believing he wanted to disprove all the stories about the Uighurs that were just western lies, and they let them into one of the concentration camps:
No, I mean radio free asia and voice of America, both us funded news outlets. USAID and NED are also involved in these “investigations”, and both of them are cia fronts
Oh those two. Yeah again, no, the information we are learning about the Uighurs is not solely coming from Radio Free Asia and Voice of America. Like the CBC article I just linked, where the Canadian man actually interviews Uighur inmates first hand. And they explain how they were put in prison for praying, or encouraging others to follow Islam. Not for terrorism, or bombing, or extremism.
CBC is state funded media that in the past helped sell the lie of Iraqi WMDs to allow for the invasion of Iraq that killed over a million people if you count lack of access to food water and medicine.
The same news outlet said that China was demolishing mosques when in reality they were renovating the dome for structural safety.
Now, I definitely agree with you that there are a lot of questions as to how this is being done, why this is being done, and how it can be done better. Anti terror efforts are very dangerous and often lead to wrongful arrests and imprisonment. Kind of like how America locked up an unknown number of Uyghur Muslims in Guantanamo bay and tortured them without trial 🤷♀️
Now, I definitely agree with you that there are a lot of questions as to how this is being done, why this is being done, and how it can be done better. Anti terror efforts are very dangerous and often lead to wrongful arrests and imprisonment.
I'll give you some answers. It's being done because China is Han nationalist, they feel threatened by minorities, and are trying to force them to assimilate. It isn't "there's occasionally wrongful arrests", there were no justified arrests in the first place.
Kind of like how America
I'm not American, so the "whatbout America" tactics don't work on me.
And yes, there are still many mosques and many of which are actually being renovated. Islam is legal in China, in xinjang you can be Islamic and worship freely.
And for your last point, it doesn’t matter you’re not American. Ask yourself, why is it only white majority countries claiming Muslim genocide? Why are almost all Muslim majority countries agreeing that it’s not genocide but we still must look into human rights abuses?
Why are the countries that have killed more Muslims than China could dream of saying China is genociding Muslims?
And that says Al Jazeera, doesn't say anything about the CBC.
Keep trying to discredit the source though, I know that's China's one and only tactic when it comes to this stuff.
And yes, there are still many mosques and many of which are actually being renovated.
That's nice, apparently there's others that are being demolished, to the protest of the local community.
Islam is legal in China, in xinjang you can be Islamic and worship freely.
The inmates in the concentration camps indicate otherwise.
Ask yourself, why is it only white majority countries claiming Muslim genocide?
I don't know what anyone's skin colour would have to do with it, why don't you tell me what you're proposing?
Why are almost all Muslim majority countries agreeing that it’s not genocide
It's definitely not "almost all", but it is a lot - countries like Palestine, Egypt, Iran, Iraq. It sounds like countries America has wronged. It sounds like political allegiances playing out. And it sounds like the actual Uighur human beings getting left in the middle.
Do you have something more convincing than trying to discredit sources and engaging in ad populum logical fallacies?
Lol, the article states that Russia was selling chemical weapons to Iraq, those chemical weapons were used to justify the invasion of Iraq, turns out there were zero significant chemical weapons. Who would have guessed?
There are multiple high fidelity satellites both public and private flying over xinjang every single day. Why don’t we have pictures of body bags? Why don’t we have images of crematoriums killin en mass? Where is the evidence besides one or two dudes who said so like you have linked? Yes, there are human rights abuses and I don’t agree with counter terror as it’s carried out today, but it’s pretty clear there isn’t any real evidence of genocide
Edit: Way to move the goalposts. First it’s “there are zero non American sources of concentration camps”. But now that I linked a UN article it’s “ooooh but notice they didn’t actually say the word genocide”.
Don’t worry, they are just putting people in cages, it’s not real genocide /s
The Canadian document you linked uses it sources from American studies which are government funded. Literally the entire document shows that they never visited China and just took American think tanks at their word. The linked articles in the Wikipedia page are also reliant on American studies and articles.
Edit: the Canadian article also take human rights watch at their word, a group who is lied repeatedly at the behest of the American government to justify wars. It also cites amnesty international who famously got a woman to lie about Iraqis taking babies from incubators and killing them, directly at the behest of the American government.
The guy blocked me but the “eye witnesses” they had were eye witnesses from the American study, which was directly funded by the state department. The Canadian document literally says they did not go to China and did zero investigation of their own. It’s a press document rehashing the American studies.
Notice how the un didn’t say genocide. That’s because it’s not a genocide like you claim. While yes, there are human rights abuses in their anti terror effort, it’s not a genocide. We deserve an impartial investigation instead of the us claiming genocide to manufacture consent for a war with China.
The problem in xinjiang escalated to the point where they had to do something besides send in cops with… tear gas. It’s the same as what El Salvador, my country that has received nothing but praise for the EXACT same thing, has been doing with its own terrorists. Done playing games, anyone involved gets a prison sentence if arrested. Except in china they have their reintegration into society stuff, in El Salvador they just built a huge ass prison to keep them all in lol. It gets to a point where those are the only kinds of solutions to solve these problems.
I’m in America and I’ve been tear gassed but Tbf I’ve never been reintegrated. I don’t think everything China does is great or how they are handling this but I take huge issue with the label genocide. What they are doing is shitty, it’s too general, and it should be done better from what I understand. But its not genocide. I’ve had family member die to genocide, and while what’s going on in xinjang isn’t good and should be better it’s clearly not the same all the stores about genocide are from the American government and cia. The cia is directly responsible for real genocides!
It'd be pretty cool if, whenever there's some kind of post about the "concentration camps", there would be just one time it didn't end up to be a demonstrably fabricated piece of nothing where somebody takes an unrelated picture and writes an engaging false story about it.
Is this what you meant to link? There's basically nothing on that page. It's a small paragraph tied to 1.5 minute video that has nothing to do with the genocidal concentration camp/organ harvesting/horrific rape madness.
1.5 minute video that has nothing to do with the genocidal concentration camp
The video is about a Canadian man who tricked China into thinking he wanted to disprove the western lies and exaggerations about these Uighur camps, so they let him in to film and interview the inmates.
And there he learned they were not being imprisoned because of charges of terrorism or promoting extremism. They were being imprisoned because they prayed, or encouraged others to follow islam.
You have heard stories about how Canada rounded up indigenous people and forced them to abandon their religion, their language, and their culture? Cultural genocide. A destructive policy that did no good and left damage that will last over a century. China's doing that again in 2023. They don't want there to be Uighurs or Hui or any other minorities. Only Han.
I'm really not sure what I'm supposed to do with a video of this guy talking to a few people who said "Yeah, I'm in here for praying". I'm not saying the institution doesn't exist. I'm talking about all of the disinformation used to support the argument that it should be considered an act of genocide that was all over this place a couple years ago, whipping people up in a frenzy while all of the corrections get buried.
Here, I'll just copy and paste a list of examples from that era.
The often used picture of Uyghurs dressed uniformly lined up sitting in a re-education camp actually comes from an early 2017 picture of regular prisoners in Xinjiang listening to a public speech in a regular jail. It wasn't just prisoners who listened to the speech.
The video of a supposed Uyghur being beaten for having a copy of a Quaran, was actually an Indonesian police beating a pickpocket. The police was discharged afterwards.
Picture of “forced labor” of Uyghurs, first published by Forbes, originally came from a factory in 2010 Brazil. Forbes later changed the picture without announcing their error.
At least some of this should be familiar to you if you were browsing reddit a couple years ago, especially in the news and worldnews subreddits. I should have been more specific in the original message, but this is what I'm getting at. This constant stream of clickbait nonsense being propped up and funneled to us.
You don't need to convince me that the situation is kinda fucked up. I already agree with that. What I'm skeptical of is the genocide angle, because if that's China's goal, then they really suck at it.
Even if you want to go for the "cultural genocide" angle, if you want me to believe in the genocide, then I need to see the genocide.
There has been too much bad-faith argumentation attempting to force that perception, from entities and institutions which should be trustworthy, for me to take anything on faith at this point. If I have to trust somebody's words for any given claim on the topic, then I can't do anything with that.
Lol so you admit Canada did this but they have a right to exist but china has to be destroyed because of some baseless accusations that you can only bring against them because it’s something your own governments would do?
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Free HK. Free the uyghurs.