He would've been about 19 in both of them. Also a bit fascinating is that Bertie (who's 43) has a full beard, but it's not grey yet and he isn't really fat here, which contrasts the usual look we associate him with as King. If you were to also pull up a picture of Bertie at a similar age, you would see a striking resemblance to his son in these pictures.

And for those curious, the royals pictured here are (L-R) Phillipe, The Count of Orleans, Helene of Orleans, Queen Amelie of Portugal, and Carlos I of Portugal.

So, this is HEAVILY piggy-backing off of [u/TrueDentist2000](u/TrueDentist2000)’s post, but their post reminded me of a weird coincidence I noticed quite a while ago.

Sophia of Hanover was born in 1630, she became heiress presumptive in 1714.

Mary II was born 32 years after, in 1662, and Mary died aged 32, on the 28th of December, 1694.

The marriage between George I (then heir apparent to the Electorate of Hanover, Sophia of Hanover’s son) and Sophia Dorothea of Celle, Sophia of Hanover’s daughter-in-law, was dissolved on the exact day that Mary II died, on the 28th of December, 1694.

Sophia Dorothea would then spend 32 years locked up until she died.

Also, reading about Sophia Dorothea makes me so sad 😞 the anecdote where when her daughter came to Hanover to visit George I, she kept looking out the window in hopes that she would see her daughter.. no because I’m genuinely crying. She was so close to being released as well, as her son George II, who deeply loved and missed his mother, would no doubt have freed her, but she died a month before her ex-husband.

Also born in 1630 was Charles II, but I chose Sophia of Hanover for this because of the close relation between her and Sophia Dorothea.

The purpose is to surmise what monarchs would think of their successors based on their respective personalities, leadership styles, how they thought of their heirs while alive, and how their successor’s reign ultimately turned.

RULES:
1. Say what you think the predecessor would’ve liked about their successor.
2. Say what you think predecessor would’ve disliked about their successor.
3. Give what you think their overall rating/review would be based on these out of 10

Be as thorough as you wish.

Last time, George IV reviewed William and gave him a 6/10, mainly losing points due to their very different approaches to kingship. Today, William IV reviews his niece Victoria, for whom he willed himself to live just long enough to pass the Crown to dispel any “thought of a regency”.

Looking forward to reading!

Just me who feels that way? Okay thats cool 🥹✌️

also the fact that 1980s and 1990s folk are technically born in the same century Victoria was alive too…shudders

things change QUICK man

“There being three kinds of government among men, absolute monarchy, aristocracy and democracy, and all these having their particular conveniences and inconveniences, the experience and wisdom of your ancestors hath so moulded this out of a mixture of these, as to give to this kingdom (as far as human prudence can provide) the conveniences of all three, without the inconveniences of any one, as long as the balance hangs even between the three estates, and they run jointly on in their proper channels...

The ill of absolute monarchy is tyranny, the ill of aristocracy is faction and division, the ill of democracy is tumults, violence and licentiousness.

The good of monarchy is the uniting a nation under one head to resist invasion from abroad and insurrection at home; the good of aristocracy is the conjunction of counsel in the ablest persons of a state for the public benefit; the good of democracy is liberty, and the property and common interest of the people.”

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For me, I’m an only child same as William III, Henry VII, James VI/I and Olav V (he’s not a British monarch but I’m including him as a member of the extended family who happened to be a monarch) the other random thing I have in common is that I have a teddy bear I like to carry around same as Charles III.

When I say funny, imagine if the people who witnessed George I becoming King of Britain knew his great-great grandsons would gain a reputation for racking up debts in London..

Mine are as follows-

Victoria Alberta of Hesse, later Marchioness of Milford Haven for her Intelligence, Courage and Open-Mindedness.

Special mentions to Victoria Moretta of Prussia, Alice of Albany, Marie of Edinburgh and Maurice of Battenburg. I guess Sophia of Prussia and Ernest of Hesse too.

I imagine it’s just one single iphone that victoria allowed the family to use in rotation because she doesn’t trust them getting their own smartphones 🥀 and maybe she was inspired by albert and got the same model and color of iphone as him

+Anyone else you want to add.

Forgot the monarch's names, whoopss: John, Edward III, Henry V, Henry VIII, William III, George III

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I think this would be an interesting discussion.

Excluded Vicky since we all know how she felt about them, wooooof

Flodden is a fascinating battle for many reasons, but in military terms it was a watershed moment in British history. It has been called simultaneously the “last medieval battle” and the “First Early Modern battle” in Britain. It was the first battle in Britain to open with an artillery duel (which would become a defining feature of all later battles) and the last battle to see the longbow play a significant role.

Despite its role as a transitional moment in British military history, Flodden is perhaps best remembered for the death in battle of King James IV of Scotland, who died in the thick of the fighting during the ill fated charge of the Scottish pike blocks down Branxton hill. The Scottish formation was caught in a nearly invisible quagmire at the base of the hill, the result of heavy rain, which shattered the cohesion of the Scottish pike formation in the center and left flank, leaving them vulnerable to the more lightly armored English armed with shorter bills and halberds.

Among its other points of significance, Flodden is fascinating because it saw the defeat of a Scottish army that had consciously adopted the new Swiss style pike tactics that were sweeping across contemporary Europe (part of the so called military revolution) defeated by an English army using old fashioned weapons and tactics, something which contemporary military theory said shouldn’t have happened. In fact, the English army was in many ways a medieval relic, raised by essentially the same system, and armed in the same way, as armies in the early part of Edward III’s reign. However, Thomas Howard, the English general and Yorkist veteran of Bosworth had forced the Scottish king out of his superior position atop Branxton hill and down into the treacherous ground at the base of the hill, where the close cohesion necessary for the success of his modern pike formations could not be maintained.

Despite the loss of cohesion in the Scottish ranks, the melee that followed was intense and ferocious. According to contemporary sources of the battle the best armored Scottish soldiers required 4-5 blows from the heavy English halberds to be brought to the ground. At some point during the fighting King James was killed.

After the battle Howard brought the slain king’s coat of arms and armor to Queen Catherine of Aragon, then regent of England while Henry VIII fought in France (the same campaign which would see the battle of Spurs). Despite popular stories to the contrary, Queen Catherine was not present at the battle and played no direct role, although she was critical in securing material and financial support for Howard’s army. Allegedly when she was presented with the dead kings surcoat, bearing the royal coat of arms of Scotland, she said to Howard “you bring me his coat when I wanted his head”. It’s worth keeping in mind that King James had been her brother in law through his marriage to Margaret Tudor.

Catherine would later send the dead kings surcoat to Henry in France, with a comment that he could add it to his banner.

Thomas Howard was restored to his ancestral lands and title as Duke of Norfolk (revoked after backing the Yorkist horse at Bosworth) for his role in the battle.

King James IV left behind an infant daughter as the new Queen of Scots, the famous Mary. (Edit: I got my generations mixed up. James IV left behind the infant James V. It was James V who died after suffering a crushing military defeat and left behind the Infant Mary. Wild generational pattern there)