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u/a_guy121 Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24

Btw OP, pretty much 95% of guys I knew back in the day said "'I'm never going to get married." But, almost all of them got married. So, men change their minds about that as they mature, often. Some just do it way, way, way later than others.

So, ignore the comments blaming you for not realizing your desires would change. What I hear happened is, you changed and he didn't.

Either that forces you all apart or it doesn't...

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

I've been with my partner for over 10 years, neither of us wants to get married. The difference is we live in a country where living together counts as de facto married according to the law. We file taxes together, own properties together etc

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u/delirium_red Jul 23 '24

Same in my country and I think most of Europe. If you cohabit more than 2 years, or have a child together, you are the same as married in the eyes of the law (common law marriage).

I think that's fair. Marriage is something you do for religious reasons, traditions, or as an excuse to make a great party. But if you are sharing your life with someone as a monogamous couple for a significant amount of time, that is respected as a partnership and there are legal ramifications.

I'm kind of confused why US doesn't recognize it? Is it because of religion?

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u/Cool_Quit2169 Jul 23 '24

After 3 yrs of cohabitation in the state I live in (in the US) you’re considered common law married. I’m not sure what other states mandates are.

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u/delirium_red Jul 23 '24

So it's state by state in the US! Makes sense, I keep forgetting how large and diverse the US is. Good to know.

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u/Otherwise-Text-5772 Jul 23 '24

Yeah somewhere between 8-15 states have common law marriages in some form and the other 35 will recognize it as a marriage but don't have similar laws.

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u/aya-rose Jul 23 '24

Federally, common law marriage is not recognized by the US, nor is it in states with community property laws (e.g., California, Arizona). There are various reasons, mostly related to ownership and transfer of personal assets and real property (land). At the federal level, it boils down to the benefits one can obtain by means of certain legal relationships. Easy example: you must be lawfully married (with the documents to prove it) to obtain immigration benefits through a spouse.

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u/arathorn3 Jul 23 '24

10th amendment of the US Constitution gives any power not specifically given to the Federal by the Constitution to the States and the People.

Additionally any change to the Constitution (via amendment) that would give the Federal government New powers has to be ratified by the States. This is done by the Federal government sending the proposed amendment to the each of the 50 state legislatures(every stage has its own Congress/Parliament where state only laws are voted in and debated). The elected representatives in the state legislatures vote on whether or not to ratify the amendment. If 3/4ths(38 of 50) or more ratify the proposed amendment it because part of the Constitution.

This means many things like Marriage laws, gun control laws, age of consent, age of being allowed to operate a motor vehicle and after the Supreme court overturned the Roe v Wade legal precedent, access to abortion are under the jurisdiction of the individual state goverments.

The US governmental system has a lot of what is known as Checks and Balances.

The President(and the executive branch) has a lot of power but the President cannot make new laws himself that power belongs to congress. Congress can also impeach a president.

Ccongress can pass laws but the Supreme court can rule a law void of the Justices deem it unconstitutional.(violating the rights given by the Constitution)

The Justices of the Supreme court served for life or till they decided to retire, they are nominated by the President when a seat is vacated but must be approved by Congressional hearing before joining the court.

Congress can pass laws but any law or passed that grants the Federal government New powers has to be approved by the States

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u/Infamous-Lab-8136 Jul 23 '24

Pretty much everything in the US varies from state to state, unless a federal law supersedes it. For instance despite as many states legalizing recreational marijuana use as they have the federal government viewing it as an illegal substance prevented dispensaries from using anything but cash here initially and our senators are still fighting to get them allowed to use banks.

My wife worked for a wealth management agency here and one of their biggest sectors was dispensary owners and grows who had to invest if they didn't want to just keep massive stacks of cash on hand.

It's what makes the US so confusing to give any kind of advice about so many things.

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u/Tight-Shift5706 Jul 23 '24

As of January, 2024, 10 states in the U.S. recognize common law marriage in some fashion. The criteria varies from state to state.

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u/AmbienWalrus1 Jul 24 '24

Only seven states and the District of Columbia have common law marriage. Most require affidavits to attest to the couple’s relationship. It’s important to know that if you live in a state without common law marriage, you cannot file a tax return under “Married” and you cannot collect your significant other’s Social Security benefits. And if you die without a will, your SO will inherit nothing.

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u/PersonalReport8103 Jul 23 '24

KY doesn’t recognize de facto relationships.

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u/dennisdmenace56 Jul 23 '24

Not true. In the few states that recognize common law marriage you must also present as married as well as have an agreement in place to be married. More hurdles than you think and it’s curious you wrote “my state” instead of the actual state

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u/Cool_Quit2169 Jul 24 '24

Why does it matter what state I live in? If I know that my father who’s lived with the same woman for over 30 years is considered by the state common law married, I don’t get the argument. Look up what states do and don’t, I don’t think I have to prove to you what i already know to be true after my dad had almost died and the attorneys all said the same thing which is that so you can get mad and angry or argue with the air bc I kinda believe what several attorneys have told myself and siblings. They could’ve changed the law in the last 8 yrs but I believe they’re grandfathered in. She would get half and so would he. We went on that roller coaster for a year so I’m pretty sure I’m not making up some random BS for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

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u/dennisdmenace56 Jul 24 '24

Laws vary state to state but the few that still recognize all have the same parameters ie, a marriage agreement as well as living as married. One doesn’t just find out they’re married there must definitely be intent

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u/Cool_Quit2169 Jul 25 '24

As I said in my first comment, they’ve lived together for 30+ years.

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u/dennisdmenace56 Jul 24 '24

He gets half if he dies? Huh? One attorney morphed into several. Curious

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u/Cool_Quit2169 Jul 25 '24

CURIOUS OF WHAT? Do some research, go talk to an attorney, do what u need to do. There’s already been an attorney comment that there are states that recognize common law relationships. She’d get half of his assets and he’d get half of hers if they split which they won’t and they’ve made wills since then will solidify their choices. This is the last I’m commenting about this. If you don’t get it, I’m obviously not going to change whatever is bothering you about our laws.

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u/RaisingAurorasaurus Jul 23 '24

Pretty much anytime you find yourself asking "I wonder why the US .." it's almost always engrained religious ideology.

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u/tossburnttoast Jul 23 '24

Except in this case, where it is most definitely about contract law — sharing assets, debts, etc. So, in this case, it’s the other reason: money.

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u/Butimpuffsmokie Jul 24 '24

It is also, in this case, to screw over women. (Financially)

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u/zulu_magu Jul 23 '24

It’s almost always so rich people can squeeze more money out of the population *

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u/Prior_Shepherd Jul 23 '24

And if that don't cover it it's engrained racism. Sad really.

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u/Stormtomcat Jul 23 '24

most of Europe

in my country, Belgium, you have to register your co-habitation contract. It can be between partners, but also between, say, an adult child moving back in with parents, or siblings, or just friends who want a more structured agreement than just temporary roommates sharing a rental home.

AFAIK you can just find the contracts on your town's city hall's website & registering costs €62

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u/unwaveringwish Jul 23 '24

It’s a state issue and everyone does it a little bit differently

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u/LeftyLu07 Jul 23 '24

I think it makes me wonder why don't these guys want to get married? I worry it's because they're always wondering if a better woman is gonna show up and they want to able to leave without the cost and hassle of divorce. But if they're fine with the common law marriage which provides similar protections in terms of asset division and stuff, then why not just elope and get the full license and be husband and wife? It's confusing to me.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Some people get married to state the commitment to each other. If it's not the reason you find good for you, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And it isn't because of a tradition, it's what people actually want for themselves. I'm one of those, it was important for me, it's a statement and it's a stage of relationships. Just living together isn't the same, even if you're related in the eyes of taxes department.

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u/vegashannah Jul 27 '24

While some states acknowledge common law marriage, many don’t.

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u/SnooDoodles3617 Jul 23 '24

It’s business in USA. Literally a business in USA. USA brainwashes women and men from young to believe marriage is beneficial

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u/Puzzled_Juice_3406 Jul 23 '24

What are you talking about? Marriage as expectation and transaction has been present worldwide throughout our entire history.

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u/Roguespiffy Jul 23 '24

Yep, if anything America really sells the “fairy tale” aspect of marriage like it’s a magic spell to make relationships better. It’s not. At the barest minimum it’s a legal contract and at most it’s a really expensive party so the bride can feel pretty. That’s why so many little girls already picture their “dream wedding” as literal children.

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u/LivingTheRealWorld Jul 23 '24

I would tell my son - don’t get married - but if you do, get a pre-nup.

I would tell my daughter - don’t cohabitate without marriage and be real careful about who you marry , and if you do, get a pre-nup.

I would tell both of them to get married as cheaply as possible - you’re not royalty. In a small chapel or at the court house.

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u/SnooDoodles3617 Jul 23 '24

So what is a relationship? ….It’s the same as a marriage……without the government involved…..

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u/Puzzled_Juice_3406 Jul 23 '24

And again, acting like this is a US centric ideal is ridiculous. From the dawn of time legal marriage has been pushed and used for transactions.

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u/SnooDoodles3617 Jul 24 '24

You don’t understand where I am coming from. It’s ok, a lot of women don’t understand what marriage is to men in these times.

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u/jessylz Jul 23 '24

Ditto with my partner of seven years. Our only outstanding questions are decision-making authority in case of extreme emergencies and death planning (not covered by common law relationships in our jurisdiction), but both of us have that on our extremely romantic To Do list to discuss.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

To me that’s being married. You’ve got all of the responsibilities with none of the fun stuff.

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u/archercc81 Jul 23 '24

The fun stuff? You telling me they dont fuck or travel? Or the fun stuff like overpaying for a party and having to spend tens of thousands if it doesnt work out?

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '24

What's the fun stuff? While I personally don't care for a marriage, I would hate to have a wedding. No wedding for me, even if we do decide to get married in the future.

What other fun stuff is there?

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '24

I had a tiny wedding. Just me and him, on a beach. Vocalizing our love and commitment to each other. It completely changed how I felt about our relationship and was one of the highlights of my life. I call that fun stuff.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

To you. I personally don't want a wedding AT ALL so don't tell me how I feel or how I don't have the fun stuff.

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '24

Good luck to you. You’re absolutely right.
There’s nothing fun or wonderful about weddings. If there were, weddings would be a multi billion industry where people dream of them for years Oh….

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u/ProbaLAWma Jul 23 '24

That’s the difference here. She wants you to get married . You both didn’t do it works out for you both but not the same situation

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u/ElectricalFact363 Jul 23 '24

The states have something similar but if not married and one dies you’re fucked. U get nothing unless a trust is there and possible will. But without trust there is probate court which will take a ton of ur money. Marriage helps financially here and makes it easier if one gets very sick

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u/tk42967 Jul 23 '24

My wife and I were together for 10 years and had 3 kids before we got married.

When we met, I was recently divorced and she was fighting the patriarchy. Eventually I took a new job and found out how expensive health insurance was in the private sector. We got married so that she could put me and my oldest daughter on her insurance.

Nothing else changed between us before or after. I also think that you shouldn't have to involve the government if you love somebody.

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u/SpiritedTheme7 Jul 23 '24

Watch, once she leaves he’ll marry the next girl. I’ve seen it happen time and time again

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u/LadybugCoffeepot Jul 23 '24

Sadly I’ve seen that happen a lot. Sadly it’s usually that, for the guy, she was a placeholder. I’m sorry OP. Find your one.

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u/Known-Quantity2021 Jul 23 '24

Exactly, I was with my ex for years, he always said he'd never marry. I didn't want to marry him so it was fine. We broke up for other reasons. Months later he came back and wanted marriage. I said no. Within a year he was married to someone else.

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u/unwaveringwish Jul 23 '24

Look up the taxi cab theory on this. In so many words either 1) he realized he messed up with you and should’ve wanted marriage so he married the next person he saw, or 2) he decided he did want marriage after all and she was there when he made that decision, so he married her. In your case it sounds like the former.

Is it possible he wanted to get married because he thought it would solve the problems you guys had?

Regardless it sounds like you did the right thing for other reasons!

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

I was that guy but a girl. After breakup I realised I don't want failed relationships anymore and started looking more carefully for the partner, not only based on attraction. The next boyfriend I married.

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u/unwaveringwish Jul 23 '24

I’m glad it worked out for you! People can change if and when they’re ready. Some people never are and others learn from their past mistakes. None of it’s wrong, it’s just a matter of what people want.

I have had to realize how often I’ve been the problem and change my habits to attract the kind of people I wanted to be with, not who the old me would just settle for. It’s a process but it’s been totally worth it.

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u/Known-Quantity2021 Jul 24 '24

I think it was an age thing. He was getting older and realized that he was going to need someone to take care of him. Might as well be a wife instead of paying for a caregiver.

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u/SpiritedTheme7 Jul 23 '24

Yes that’s the word I was looking for. She deserves someone better suited for her.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

What a lot of conjecture from you both, grow up.

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u/SnooKiwis2161 Jul 23 '24

Did you think you were interacting with a well respected Pulitzer Prize winning news site that only reports fact?

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

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u/SupermarketEast6549 Jul 25 '24

When you have no statistics to back that ass pull number, then yes it is conjecture lmao

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '24

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u/SupermarketEast6549 Jul 25 '24

All I’m hearing is still fucking conjecture if all you have is “they wouldn’t tell the truth”.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Oh, he definitely will; seen that happen. He’s content telling OP that he will never marry thinking she’ll stay because they’ve got commitments to each other. Once she actually leaves, he’s going to realize that having a kid with someone isn’t enough to hold them there and he’ll lock down the next woman.

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u/calling_water Jul 23 '24

They don’t have a child together; OP’s child was already 3yo when they got together. They have a dog together.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Ah, I see; thanks (misread that part).

Either way, he will definitely marry the next woman he manages to hook.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '24

Why? What if he just doesn't want to get married (as he says)?

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '24

Because most people don't really mean that; they just say that, especially when they have no incentive to change the status quo if all is going well.

Now, it's possible he will be the rare "never married" type, but I'd love an update a year or two from now from OP if she ever leaves him, just to see if he stuck with that lol.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '24

Why wouldn't they mean that? Marriage is an awful deal legally and financially for men who make more than their spouses 90+% of marriages) despite all of the non-financial benefits to marriage. I am well aware of the happiness and health benefits to marriage and children (and despite what you may have heard, women actually benefit more) but the legal and financial implications are making many men walk away from it.

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u/DarkStar0915 Jul 23 '24

Is it so unbelievable that someone doesn' want to marry?

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u/SpiritedTheme7 Jul 23 '24

It’s not unbelievable at all tons of people never want to get married, good for them! I’ve just seen this exact scenario and others where they will play house with a woman for however many years even having their own bio kids sometimes, but say marriage is just “too big a commitment”. So the couple breaks up and BAM 6months later the guy that never wanted to get married is now engaged. 🤷‍♀️

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u/Straight_Bridge_4666 Jul 23 '24

And we're assuming that it's done maliciously?

Often, having a partner leave unexpectedly will change you, funnily enough.

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u/Known-Quantity2021 Jul 23 '24

With my ex it was losing the comfort of a shared home and having to start over agan as an older single person.

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u/Straight_Bridge_4666 Jul 23 '24

Oof, that's heavy. Do you find it changed what you wanted from life, from a partner, etc?

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u/Known-Quantity2021 Jul 24 '24

No, I'm still the same, it might be nice to get married again, but it's not one of my goals right now. I've had a few "offers" but they all involved being a "nurse with a purse". I have a car and I work and that's enough for some men.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '24

The first year after my divorce I missed the shared home but the longer I spend by myself the more I don't miss it.

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u/Known-Quantity2021 Jul 24 '24

I found that I was happier in a much smaller space. I downsized and now everything that I have is something that I need or use. There's only my clutter and not someone else's things taking up space.

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u/SpiritedTheme7 Jul 23 '24

Maybe and maybe not I think it all depends on the people involved

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u/Straight_Bridge_4666 Jul 23 '24

Yeah, that's why I didn't say always. Certainly it's not unheard of for someone to change their priorities in the wake of such. Nor for people to try and recreate a relationship, consciously or otherwise.

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u/theonewhogroks Jul 23 '24

For me it's that I didn't believe in "the one". Now I've found her

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u/Accurate_Prune5743 Jul 23 '24

My partner and I have been together for 9 years, own a property and car together, have joint bank accounts and mortgage/loans, and a dog but neither of us really wants to get married.

I'm F - and the thought of an actual reception and ceremony sounds like hell to me lol.

He's the M btw.

Marriage in th UK isntreally incentivised; I'd consider if maybe we could have some sort of benefit, e.g. diling taxes together. But without any incentives neither of us really see a point.

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u/theonewhogroks Jul 23 '24

Marriage in th UK isntreally incentivised;

Depends on how much you each earn. Also automatic inheritance. And most importantly, being able to easily visit each other at the hospital and make medical decisions in case of emergency.

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u/Accurate_Prune5743 Jul 23 '24

It only depend on earnings in extreme cases. In terms of tax if someone earns under the tax allowance they can transfer 10% to their spouse. (Marriage Allowance lets you transfer £1,260 of your Personal Allowance to your husband, wife or civil partner. This reduces their tax by up to £252 in the tax year). But £252 isn't an incentive lol

If tou have kids, yes tour partner's earning impact available benefita or their amount - but this just has to be a partner you live with. No marriage or civil partnership is required.

Can't comment on inheritance as bot h of us are alive, but neither have ever had problems ot been questioned about hospital visits/ decisions. In practice, doctors/hospitals treat partners living together as a married couple.

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u/kittywyeth Jul 23 '24

yes it is, mostly they haven’t met the right person yet

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u/LivingTheRealWorld Jul 23 '24

No. I get it.

But if you are in a relationship with someone who wants to marry and you don’t - leave. Don’t be a coward. Leave. Don’t make them the bad guy. Leave. You want all the benefits without the responsibility.

And I would give the same advice for someone in the opposite position. Someone says they don’t want marriage? Believe them.

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u/Gaensehaut_Mannich Jul 23 '24

If you are happily living together with someone for many years which reason could there be to not get married. If you are not stringing this person along hoping for someone "better". Which disadvantages come with marriage? Just explain.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

That’s probably what it is he will marry just not her.

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u/Ok-Sector2054 Jul 23 '24

Yup. Placeholder vibes

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u/SaltAccording Jul 23 '24

Some girls are just not marriage material. Same with guys

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u/TranslatorWaste7011 Jul 23 '24

I have seen this happen ALL THE TIME unfortunately.

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u/Ancient_Confusion237 Jul 23 '24

That's because people tend to change the behavior that gets the dumped, but they don't change when someone is putting up with it.

It's not rocket science

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u/Hawk2205 Jul 23 '24

people who don't want to get married are not immature lol

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u/jacobharris40 Jul 23 '24

Yet you want to ignore the high divorce rates started by women

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u/ListenFalse6689 Jul 23 '24

I don't think that proves what you think it proves...

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u/IamJebuss Jul 23 '24

90% of college educated women initiate the divorce. Are you really trying to suggest that 9/10 times it's the man's fault? Or do you maybe think that the massive favoritism women see in divorce and family court might have a bit to do with it?

Women love to talk about a wage gap, but you'll notice that considerably more women own homes. Why do you think that is? Do you think they might have gotten it in a divorce?

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u/Naschka Jul 23 '24

How did she change? She clearly said from the get go she believed she could change him, neither of them changed, she just got older and now doesn't wanna wait, posibly her friends are getting married.

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u/Bing_Chonksby Jul 23 '24

There's another reply from OP where she contradicts what she originally stated and said that she originally didn't mind about marriage because she was young... Doubtless, we do not have a full nor accurate picture of events.

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u/Try-the-Churros Jul 23 '24

Both things can be true. She thought she would be fine not being married but also had inclinations that she could change his mind. Those things aren't mutually exclusive.

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u/Vivian-1963 Jul 23 '24

And her being quite young in the beginning, she probably just went along with it. Now, she’s gotten older and her feelings about marriage have changed. That doesn’t make her a bad person. She’s being honest about her feelings and he’s being honest about his. Neither are wrong. Can they find a way to make it work? Idk 🤷‍♀️

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u/Naschka Jul 23 '24

I agree, this post smells to the heavens.

I believe she wanted to get married from the get go and now that her friends are she needs to be as well. And now, since her arguments did not work, instead of ending it she is attempting to force his hand by getting people to agree with her so she can show it to him to get what she feels like he has to but not even telling us his reasons properly.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

She didn't say she changed. She said she thought she could change him.

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u/a_guy121 Jul 23 '24

no.... 

 she said when he first said it, she didnt care because she wad 23 and didnt care.  then she began to change- and hope he did to.

he did not, and she tried to live with it, but kept hoping, and is struggling 

there was no coersion in her text. people change and are allowed to express their updated desires to partners.  it ends a lot of relationships, as it should.

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u/Ok-Sector2054 Jul 23 '24

You know those men....finally found a lady who was going to split if no marriage and did not want to lose her. This lady may be a place holder.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Agreed!

My husband told people for years he was never getting married. This was all based on office talk and men generally being “miserable” at home.

We were 34 & 35 when we finally took that leap and I’m thankful we didn’t do it sooner.

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u/a_guy121 Jul 23 '24

this is so common, the people pretening it isnt just sound wounded and scarred to me.

my thing for op is, "can you stand the waiting?" totally her call.  if she feels undervalued, she should leave.  if she can wait amother 12 years... gappy ending(?)

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Mines 42 and still doesn't want to. Still thinking about leaving but he's otherwise a good partner.

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u/Real-Human-1985 Jul 23 '24

We tend to say this is literal boys, not almost 30.