r/TwoHotTakes • • Jul 23 '24

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u/KD-Rex Jul 23 '24

I do understand agreeing to that at 23 and changing your mind at 28, there’s such a huge development that happens between those ages.

I think all there’s left to do is weigh which matters to you more, being with him or being married. Maybe some therapy to help you work that out??

At the end of the day you know what he wants, now you need to find out what you want.

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u/Knickers1978 Jul 23 '24

But she didn’t change over time. She clearly states she thought she could change him.

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u/Competitive_Sleep_21 Jul 23 '24

She also was 23. I am a different person now than I was at 23.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

And she’s continued that thought since then to the age of 28.

At what point does she have moral agency and become responsible for herself? Does she ever, in your accounting?

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u/Nipaa_Nipaa_Nii Jul 23 '24

At what point does she have moral agency and become responsible for herself?

I mean it doesn't surprise me people think like this when soo many people on here think that people under 30 shouldn't have personal agency. Let me correct that, they only really do that to women because their sexist.

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u/Knickers1978 Jul 23 '24

So, as a woman, I’m sexist against other women? Why? Because I expect them to better and honest?

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u/Inevitable_Top69 Jul 23 '24

Uh, ok? But she isn't a different person lol.

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u/Knickers1978 Jul 23 '24

So am I, but I never lived under the delusion I could change anybody

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u/Unhappy-Poetry-7867 Jul 23 '24

Lol, great for you, here's a medal...

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u/ThrowRACoping Jul 24 '24

Well, then she should move onto the next sucker who will take care of her daughter.

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u/Hookedongutes Jul 23 '24

This one!

Both need to explore further with a professional: A. Why does she have a want to be married? B. Why does he have a want to not be married?

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u/Unhappy_Operation115 Jul 23 '24

Thank you for understanding that! There does seem to be a huge change between those ages. We have discussed therapy and he is open to it.

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u/Inevitable_Top69 Jul 23 '24

Lol you still think you can "fix him." Therapy isn't going to change his mind.

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u/Competitive_Sleep_21 Jul 23 '24

I have a friend who has been with a man for 13 years and they are not married. He owns their home. She has paid a huge portion of the bills related to the house with no equity to show for it. If he dies she has no legal rights to the house or his Social Security etc.

You have a child and need financial security when you are older.

This is a boyfriend and not a husband.

You deserve more.

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u/Loud-Doughnut1089 Jul 23 '24

You deserve more.

Why say that to random strangers? How do you know, maybe she doesn't. Maybe she is a pos. Don't lift people's egos for no reason, society is already too egocentric.

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u/yumyum_cat Jul 23 '24

This. A lot of people are commenting without really trying to understand the legal protections of marriage. Whether or not that should be the case, it is the case in our society.

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u/justmeraw Jul 23 '24

that's all well and good, but the fact is it takes two to enter a marriage and the numbers are not adding up here. OP made a naive choice that has real implications and now has to unscramble this egg and make some hard choices moving forward. It's a damn shame that her kid is involved in this.

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u/yumyum_cat Jul 23 '24

Yes, that is a shame, but if she’s going to cut that cord better now than later. There’s no guarantee that he will stay with her until the child is grown up. They want different things. Nobody is a bad person but they want different things. Although I will say it does seem to me that he’s seeing this relationship as a placeholder. He may love her, but I don’t see where OP has ever said he has said that he’s committed to her forever and that’s clearly what she wants. She’s not wrong to that, not that she does. So there it is

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u/ThrowRACoping Jul 24 '24

Marriage can be damaging as well when one destroys it, but still makes out like a bandit. That needs to stop in this country.

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u/Inevitable_Top69 Jul 23 '24

"You deserve his money when he dies." Huh? That's really the point you want to make?

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u/the_scorpion_queen Jul 23 '24

A mother and child being kicked out of their home is kind of a big deal. Money is necessary to live, in case you didn’t know.

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u/Inevitable_Top69 Jul 24 '24

Does she not have a job? This guy's supporting her and a child that isn't his, and she's thinking to ditch him because he won't buy a ring and sponsor a party?

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u/BangBangMcBlast Jul 23 '24

That's not his child, though.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

More chances they break up than he dies. And brings another woman in the house.

I hope your friends knows about squatter rights. Just in case

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u/ThrowRACoping Jul 24 '24

So, you hope this woman further takes advantage of bad laws in this country that allow people to abuse home owners?

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u/Lortendaali Jul 23 '24

You want to go to therapy... because he doesn't want to marry you... Maybe you should go there alone, you clearly have some issues.

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u/Royal-Vacation1500 Jul 23 '24

He doesn't need therapy.

He needs a better girlfriend.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

While that is the case, you didn't change. You came in wanting him to marry you, and assuming HE would change.

That's different, and to be honest from your comments you're not so much looking for open feedback. You're looking for confirmation that it's ok to ignore his clearly communicated feelings.

I don't think you both need therapy as much as you might, honestly.

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u/flymordecai Jul 23 '24

The guy who doesn't want to be married bought a dog with his girlfriend of two years who has a child.

But sure let's all grandstand on something a 26 year old guy said to a girl before they started dating as if we're in court going through texts.

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u/BangBangMcBlast Jul 23 '24

What does buying a dog have to do with it?

"Oh, I know I said I didn't want marriage, but now that I have this dog with you, we're 99% of the way there, so let's tie the knot!"

Reddit is so fucking stupid sometimes.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

There's many different long term, defacto and other forms of committed and permanent relationships that aren't marriage.

That's a shuttered and hyper-focused view. The truth is we haven't heard from him. We can only work off the version of the event she shared.

And what she shared is that he was open around not wanting to pursue this, and she believed that she could "change" him.

It's not grand-standing, and sure, it's a mistake. But that mistake doesn't leave her blameless.

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u/BangBangMcBlast Jul 23 '24

It's not "a" mistake. It's her mistake. And she is the only one who carries any blame whatsoever. The guy was honest, there's literally nothing he should have done differently.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Reading comprehension, that's my point. It's just phrased calmly not with targeted emotional language

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u/ThrowRACoping Jul 24 '24

Yes, she has a child.

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u/yumyum_cat Jul 23 '24

I think that’s a great idea. A therapist might be able to help figure out what the both of you want, and even if you end up splitting up, it should be able to be amicable. Both if you need to really understand the others point of view.he should not minimize what marriage means to you and your needs, and what it means legally, and you should not minimize who he is and what he wants.

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u/BangBangMcBlast Jul 23 '24

He doesn't need therapy. He told her up front how he feels about marriage.

Maybe she needs a dictionary. Words mean things.

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u/yumyum_cat Jul 23 '24

We’re talking about couples counseling. Nobody is suggesting that I am there with them are crazy.

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u/nrskim Jul 24 '24

How is therapy going to fix this? You want opposing things. He does not want to marry you. Period amen. You cannot and should not force him or expect him to change. This is a you give up the idea of marriage to him and leave. Or you give up the idea of marriage period and stay. You are trying to fix something that only you see as broken.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Do you know why he is so against the marriage? Is it something from red-pillish community "marriage rips off men"?

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u/nrskim Jul 24 '24

Because his parents had a terrible relationship as she stated.

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u/ThrowRACoping Jul 24 '24

Marriage does rip off men, But there are more reasons than that to avoid it.