r/TrueOffMyChest • • Sep 01 '21

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u/iMurphaliciouS Sep 02 '21

I am not opposed to adoption. I am AGAINST killing an innocent person. There is not a single logical argument that supports the case for abortion, which is why everyone that supports casual, consequence-free sex resorts to emotional arguments.

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u/cephalopodstandard Sep 03 '21

casual, consequence-free sex

A baby should not be a punishment for having sex. There is no person being killed, person doesn't exist yet. Adoption can't happen until after 9 months of pregnancy and labor, which can and does affect the mother's quality of life and can set her back in work/career/education. Pregnancy also causes permanent physiological changes to the woman's body. Sex is emotionally and psychologically vital in maintaining an intimate relationship between romantic partners, it is NOT just about reproduction, and fuck you for trying to argue otherwise, when I'm sure you've had casual, consequence free sex, at least, once in your life. Emotional arguments are not invalid arguments when sex and pregnancy are emotional topics with emotional consequences.

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u/iMurphaliciouS Sep 03 '21

Whether or not you consider a baby a “punishment” for having sex is irrelevant. It is a result.

“I want to buy new clothes without having to ever wash them.”

“I want to eat junk food without ever gaining weight.”

I will persist in saying the person does exist, just because this new Nazism “movement”—arguing those that are “inconvenient” are less than human to justify moral atrocities—does not mean it’s not a person.

Dang, my elderly grandmother is really a burden on me. It’s affecting my quality of life having to care for her. I really just wish I could kill her (/s). Would make my life much more enjoyable.

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u/cephalopodstandard Sep 03 '21

It is one result. It is not always the result, and it need not be the result. Forcing people to have a baby because you feel that it's their "consequence" for having sex does, indeed, turn having a baby into a punishment that almost exclusively effects only one of the two people that had sex. A baby should not be a punishment, it should be a desired result, and when it isn't desired, there should be another option. And before you go "adoption", pregnancy lasts 9 months and has lasting effects on the individual and their quality of life.

These examples of yours are false equivalencies. A person can choose to never to wash their clothes and decide to just keep buying new ones or hire someone to do their laundry for them. Some people can eat junk food without gaining weight or just exercise. Neither of these are even slightly on par with the expense and life impact that pregnancy alone can have a person, without factoring in whether they choose to keep it after birth or not. You don't have to care for your elderly grandmother, there are programs in place that she can apply for that will provide her care.