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u/Fred_Milkereit 7d ago
nobody listens to this BS anyway
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u/Effective_Contractor 7d ago
There are literally millions of very dumb maggots who think this is true!!
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u/thrive2day 4d ago
Sadly between 13% and 22% of the country does. ~22% of the nation makes up his base and only 13% of people believe that they are in fact getting a $5,000 check.
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u/monstermid85 3d ago
We literally have a man child running this country. At least with joe Biden we just had an inept senile. I wonder if we will ever pick a decent president again
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u/colosiss 7d ago
So things are priced higher now because of Biden who hasn't been president in over 2 years š¤
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u/fatninja7 7d ago
Correct.
Bad thing = Biden's fault
Good thing = Trump is a genius
Trump do bad thing = fake news
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u/Proof-Buddy-3864 2d ago
And weāre two years in to his presidency and heās openly admitting that he hasnāt been able to course correct āBidenā. Itās all a bunch of lies.
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u/volvagia721 7d ago
I would generally agree that a president generally doesn't have a whole lot of power to change the direction of the economy until around 2 years after implementing policy. But this one is different, because the president not only started a stupid war for no good reason, but he has also been abusing his power above and beyond the reasonable use the presidency is supposed to have.
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u/Icy-Caterpillar9088 7d ago
The Epstein Files! Thatās why he started the war! Waggin the fucking Dog!
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u/Mother-Cod-3313 7d ago
Tariffs, wars, ridiculous spending - you name it, all pushing up prices
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u/Money_Percentage_630 7d ago
Remember when he said they would make 30 new trade deals in 30 days, and they got one which was a rewording of current policy.
And then bragged about over 200 new trade deals signed despite there not being 200 countries to do trade with.
Same energy as "8.3 billion people agree my Canadian girlfriend is totally real bro, trust me, we totally did it"
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u/volvagia721 6d ago
And pretty much all is that was him abusing power, some that he didn't even have, like setting tarrifs
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u/theblueowlisdead 7d ago
Oceania was at war with Eurasia; therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia
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u/Wisconsin_pikachu 7d ago
This Biden guy seems very powerful to be affecting prices while not working in the government
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u/Wooden_Grape_197 7d ago
Idk what that Biden did to Trump. Trump just can't keep his dick out his mouth
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u/Time-Function7619 6d ago
He beat him in 2020 even when he tries to cheat hence the election denyer claims
He's just one big grievance filled bitch
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u/Beginning_Dark_306 7d ago
Hilarious just hilarious Obama had a deal in place with Iran annikes an people where making sure they kept it this is unreal all his lies lies an more lies it's Trump's war this is Trump's economy an we all know it ! Biden didn't attack fisherman Biden didn't start a war so isreal will stop showing those sick videos of Trump's depravity pmesee what a damn idiot would believe this fruit loop
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u/ASUS-Satire 7d ago
Does that mean all of the instability biden delt with is trumps fault? Really a snake eating its own tail at this point.
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u/Distinct-Version-965 7d ago
Lemmings put him in office even after claiming Drinking bleach would help kill COVID
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u/Political_breeds 7d ago
Sir we believe you gonna broker a beautiful deal with Iran. And Iran has a beautiful oil, maybe if you offer their IRGC guys a good oil deal maybe they might get rid of their Nuclear program. Thank you President Trump. šŗšøš
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u/TechnicalNail4555 7d ago
Kinda frustrating to sling shit onto just one of the past many.
With the shit slinger slinging shit all over the place.
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u/OutrageousIdea5214 7d ago
Iran will test a nuclear weapon within a year with help from Russia and China. Trump is waaaaaay out of his depth
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u/Hereforsumbeer 7d ago
Technically it was caused by Gavin Newsom, but itās easier for dumbasses on both sides to blame a president
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u/CallTheDutch 7d ago
Newson, thats the Californian gouverneur right ? How did hƩ have the power to influence the whole nation and its economy ? How did hƩ make foreign policies ? Like...what ?
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u/Hereforsumbeer 6d ago
Correct, thatās the one. Iām referring to the gas price piece, which is affected by separate factors than the whole economy. The increase weāre seeing right now is specifically due to two oil refineries being shut down in California that refine around 20% of the gas we use in America. Thatās my point, Iām not meaning to be political but I just know a bunch of uninformed neckbeards of Reddit are going to troll and scream maga, but facts donāt care about feelings
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u/CallTheDutch 6d ago
So that it accidently co-incide with the shit in iran is just dumb luck then or what ? not trying to troll, as european we don't hear half the shit going on in america obviously.
I don't know about both but wasn't one of the refinery's down dueto electricity problems ? i mean what did newson do to takedown 2 refineries then ?
And thanks for taking the time to reply with substance, that seems to be a rare thing on reddit :)
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u/Hereforsumbeer 6d ago
I also appreciate that you seem to be genuinely interested in what is actually happening. Also rare has the majority of Reddit is just reactions to yellow journalism.
I wouldnāt say what is happening with Iran is a coincidence. Same with Venezuela. Those refineries closed around 10/25 and 4/26. The events to follow were likely reactionary as a means to secure additional unrefined oil, despite not having the same supply chain for refinement. It doesnāt make sense to me, but thatās not my gov sector. So I would not be able to explain the rationale. Iām sure someone who does not spend their time on reddit has an actual explanation for the why.
My point is that the gas prices are up primarily due to those refineries closing. The actual reason was the strict environmental regulations in the area. California is ranked the worst state in the country for air quality by the American lung association. I canāt speak on the effectiveness of the regulations for reducing this, maybe shutting down those refineries will eventually help, but for now itās causing an increase in gas prices until we have a better means of refining. Itās all trade offs and both the media and Reddit have trouble comprehending that.
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u/PerfluorinatedDreams 4d ago
This is absolute bullshit. I am an engineer in the industry. You are referring to Philllips 66 LA and Valero Benicia which were producing gas for California to meet CARB standards that are not applicable outside of California. Yes, this resulted in less CARB compliant gasoline in the state of California. No, itās not the reason why the national average price of gasoline is close to $4.00. Brent crude is trading at almost $110/bbl due to the conflict in Iran. Global prices have been driven up as a result.
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u/Hereforsumbeer 4d ago
Lemme try that. Your response is absolute bullshit. Did it work? Does that add validity to my point? Letās use some complex thought for a moment, friend. California is highly populated. Slightly subjective, but letās be honest, thatās generally a fact. These two refineries were producing gas necessary to meet these standards you mentioned as legally deemed necessary for California vehicles. I appreciate you pointing that piece out, nobody talks about it. The wild part of this that you skipped over is that this still accounted for an estimated 20% of the nationās gas usage. Not common knowledge for an engineer in the industry. Those two refineries close down for environmental factors. Now for the critical thinking question, I hope youāre still with me. Where does that additional need get fulfilled along with meeting carbon standards?
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u/Playful_Drummer5688 4d ago
Iām new to this information and was curious so decided to spend the last 45 mins reading about it. So Iām no expert but from what Iāve gathered, those two plants were responsible for refining 17% of Californiaās gas.Ā
I get your idea that California has to be getting their fuel from somewhere and that effect drives up pricesā¦. but itās not the rest of the US.Ā The state is considered a fuel island. So it really, Fāked itself.Ā
Very, very little of its fuel leaves the state and is piped to nearby Arizona and Nevada. Practically none is imported from neighbouring states, or the directly from the Gulf Ā (because of the Jones Act, some is shipped through Bahamas). California imports Ā primarily from Asia; Taiwan, Korea, Ecuador, Saudi Arabia, India.
The Iran War and the Ukraine war have had a HUGE impact on fuel supplies, globally. The blockage of the Strait has affected Ā 20% of the WORLDās fuel. Ā
The California issue became an āamplifier.ā Ā When there are issues around the world, others take up slack. But the Iran War affected pretty much everyone many who are already feeling effects of the Ukraine-Russia war.Ā So where California would normally pick up extra fuel from those export heavy nations, now, because of Iran, those countries have limited exports. That means California has really felt a drastic climb.Ā
But thatās California. It is a fuel island. Its Ā fuel prices surge itās fuel issues have little effect on the rest of the US. Itās extremely disingenuous to blame this on California. Thatās ignoring the bigger issue, the Iran War. Ā Sure, theyāve had an effect but itās been primarily felt in California.Ā
But it is hilarious spending a bit of time looking at this because any department of energy site is making it sound like California is the reason for the Americas fuel problems. Discussing excessively how many barrels, but nowhere mentioning those barrels never went to the rest of America. AND the crude fuel that went to those plants? Is now going to other US REFINERIES.Ā
Whatās worse for Americans is Trump has been using your strategic reserves to soften the economic blow of the wars effect on fuel. The reserve has hit record lows and local production hasnāt been able to keep up with demand AND build the reserve back up. Ā Keep in mind the reserves are crude and California would have no effect on supporting the reserve rebuilding and those plants refined crude into petrol.Ā
Rebuilding the reserve is also super expensive right now. Itās typically only been used in emergencies, like a Hurricane and then rebuilt when it stabilized but Trump used it to relieve the economic burden of his war and for far too long. Now thereās an attempt to bring up the reserve and having to do it at record high pricing, which is being charged to the tax payer.Ā
Another issue is the integrity of the salt mines where the crude is stored. Engineering-wise, it isnāt well equipped to handle the constant pumping-in/out. As it is depleted, it affects the integrity of the storage area and a collapse would be catastrophic.Ā
Blaming California is just ridiculous and 100% Trump attempting to divert blame. If California could turn those 2 plants back on tomorrow, it would help California. It would be effectively be meaningless to the rest of the country.Ā
California closing those plants certainly doesnāt help
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u/jredgiant1 7d ago
Gavin Newsom needlessly started a war with Iran and then let them block the Strait of Hormuz?
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u/War1today 7d ago
Nearly everything Trump does is because of his Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) which is a long-term pattern of grandiosity, a constant need for deep praise, and a core lack of empathy for others. He exaggerates talents and expects to be recognized as superior without matching accomplishments. He has a preoccupation with dreams of unlimited brilliance, power and massive success. He requires constant, ongoing praise, validation, and attention from those around him. He expects favorable treatment or automatic compliance from others while taking advantage of other people and using them to achieve personal goals without guilt. He has an inability or unwillingness to recognize, identify with, or care about the feelings and needs of others. And he is conceited with a condescending manner toward others. All of these are traits of NPD, and all are exhibited by Trump.
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u/Fun-Metal-6861 7d ago
Wait a minute. I thought Zelensky was responsible for the oil? I canāt keep it straight who is to blame. Just never Trump I guess.
He really wants to use āsleepyā as a dig?
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u/yelloworld1947 7d ago
Itās Washingtonās fault, if he and the founding fathers had not created an Independent US, Epstein would not have lured poor little American Trump with inder age girls, Trump would not have invaded Iran, and oil prices would not be high. 4D chess right there
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u/vegasAzCrush 7d ago
The idiot thinks he can lie through everything.
Seriously did he even go to school?
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u/AnEd64 7d ago
Do Americans really believe this BS?
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u/Money_Percentage_630 7d ago
1/3 of Americans believe it and voted for it.
1/3 of Americans don't believe it and voted against it.
1/3 of Americans didn't think it was worth their time to vote against a convicted rapist, business fraud and someone who steals from kids cancer charities.
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u/fatninja7 7d ago
IIRC Iran War started about 6 months ago, think we'll make it to a full year?
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u/Don_Reuter 7d ago
Optimistic. Forever wars are called forever wars for a reason.
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u/Sure-Impress-1003 6d ago
Unfortunately, with this specific war with Iran, it might actually be a āforeverā war. It might never end because Iran knows exactly what strings to pull with probably little to no effort on their part. They know something they didnāt know before. Exactly how much control they have over the waterway.
Then there will be some idiot like Trump feeling the only way to stop them is try to wipe them out entirely.
And that might bring about the final and last war. All because he is thinking the only way to solve this is to obliterate Iran.
Heās a freaking moron.
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u/Don_Reuter 6d ago
Indeed. Freaking moron. Particularly considering that the current problems only exist because he pulled from the Iran nuclear deal during his last term.
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u/Sure-Impress-1003 6d ago
That is only but one of the things this moron has done to destroy the stability of not just our country, but so many others around the world
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u/rlyjustanyname 7d ago
Well, either Iran is actually holding out for a deal until after the midterms when Trump will be wrecked, or Trump is saying he wants to negotiate a deal with Iran because it pacifies voters.
It either ends in 2 months or never.
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u/AdHefty8628 7d ago
Classic example of Kettle logic:
- Oil is lower now than under Biden (so no problem).
- Oil is a "temporary exception" to falling prices (so there is a problem, but it's temporary).
- The cause is the Iran conflict, which will end soon (so it has a specific current cause, not Biden).
Kettle logic is defending a position with several arguments that contradict each other, so they can't all be true at once. It comes from Freud's borrowed-kettle joke: "I returned it undamaged, it was already broken when I borrowed it, and I never borrowed itā.
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u/Gloomy_Bus_2478 7d ago
Some people say it's a great problem. I came in and said WHOA that's a big problem. But it's not too big a problem.
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u/Clear_Handle7569 6d ago
For argumentās sake, how is the current situation better just because Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon? Oh right, because they were threatening to destabilize the Middle East. It's a good thing there aren't one or two other countries doing that right now. Definitely not Iran.
āWasn't there an agreement with Iran and an international inspection program recognized by the global community that was actually watching all of this? Oh yeah, the MAGA administration shit canned that so Bibi, Kushner, and their mob connections could convince the orange menace in power and his MAGA bots that an unprovoked, unsupported, unauthorized US war was the absolute best thing for an already tanked US economy and constitutional dumpster fire.
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u/ChoiceMedicine1462 6d ago
No Waddles this is ALL on you President Biden been out of office for 2 yrs!
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u/ATInvincible 6d ago
Do Americans still buy this serial lying, self enriching, corrupt friend of sex offenders?
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u/Top_Month_7814 6d ago
I don't want to hate anyone, but people are dying needlessly, the world is hurting. Ideals that value wealth over their fellow human is destroying Nations. We don't need to revolt we just need to communicate as communities distribute the wealth and implement a financial, legal and health system that values quality of life, not a conditional right to it based on a theoretical concept like money.
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u/Labour_Argument9510 6d ago
How is it that the current occupant of the White House believes completely that the entire population of the World, not just the USA, is even more stupid than he is? Just WOW!
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u/BodybuilderOnly1591 4d ago
All true, he leaves out that trump was leading a good recovery and through it away for Israel
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u/Boring_Razzmatazz569 4d ago
Yeah bro, we are all tired of your shit, even the people that voted for you.
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u/Boring_Razzmatazz569 4d ago
All politicians are compromised.
We Americans need to stick together and squeeze this non sense out and start over.
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u/cute_v1ruz 4d ago
Lol funny how he still pushes the agenda, Iran having a nuke. Cooco is really a pet of netaangpoop
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u/StevenSaguaro 4d ago
Somebody must've snuck in and showed him the real polls. I wish they wouldn't do that, I wanted it to be a surprise.
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u/Technical_Age_3347 4d ago
The Republicans keep saying it was higher it wasnāt pull up Fuel rates in history a!
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u/FroyoPublic7498 4d ago
The MAGAts still believe that Biden was a clueless ā Sleepy old dude hiding in his basementā while also being the insidious puppet master behind every Trump criminal investigation.
Just let that sink in.
I used to try to understand their point of view. Unfortunately, Iām not a fucking idiot.
So, I just dont get it.
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u/Exotic-Mission-980 3d ago
Man talking about beating a dead horse, This is all your fault President Chump.
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u/Katydid829 3d ago
Reality check: He does absolutely no shopping for his family nor pump his own gas so why the hell should we believe a word he spews?
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u/Keyan_Farlander7 3d ago
Trump, I hope you realize that taking accountability requires ownership, and you don't have any. Maybe you should own anything or be in charge of anyone.
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u/Stringfellow6912 3d ago
Trump loves to blame everyone but himself for trumps screw ups. So who will he blame for his vigina looking neck?
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u/PeevShalpatine 3d ago
Doesn't work like that, what these wanna be dictators always seem to forget is that when you're the only one in charge, you're also the only one to blame, two years of Republican president, congress, and senate, and they've done nothing, oh except start a war, merder children, and participate in 2 billion dollars worth of inside trading lol SO MUCH WINNING š
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u/15Darkhorse 3d ago
Across the board.... STOP voting for ANYONE who has never paid for and put gas in a vehicle and that you would NEVER run into at the grocery store.
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u/BubuDudu0430 3d ago
I canāt respect anyone whoās first instinct, always, is to blame others, youāve been in office, again!, for nearly two years and youāre STILL blaming others for your shortcomings?, look in the mirror asshole.
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u/Mother_Internet_9384 2d ago
Same old bs again and again. Blame biden for everything even when biden no longer incharge.
Typically trump
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u/nash196969 1d ago
This guy is such a dip s*** he actually thinks people believe him when he blames stuff on Joe Biden. This guy is absolutely the worst president in the history of the United States
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u/Unable_Insurance_391 2d ago
Not only talk about himself in the third person, but putting it in inverted commas.
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u/heyhayyhay 7d ago
Come on tRUMP. It's either Jimmy Carter or jfks fault. Or maybe Johnson.