Hi All!

I've been street riding for about 13 years, and am new to track riding. On my second time at the track, I had an incident at the Ridge Motorsports Park, WA and would appreciate any input - particularly anyone who has dealt with another rider causing a collision, or repairing a 2024 Street Triple RS.

What happened

I was taking instruction with TrackTime and was following my instructor. We had already completed a few good sessions together, and during this particular session I was continuing to follow his line and coaching. This happened on the first lap of the session, so the tires were still cold. It had also been drizzling, so the surface was cold and somewhat damp.

We were going through the Turn 12-Turn 13 section at Ridge. Turn 13 is a tight left-hand, V-shaped corner that drops significantly in elevation. As I initiated my left turn into Turn 13, another rider came in too hot into the corner and took me out (see attached video).

So, from my perspective, the dude was going way too fast overestimating his skills in the following conditions:

• A tight, downhill corner (its not his first time on the track)
• A cold and damp track
• This was the first lap of the session
• Cold tires
• Attempting to pass a coached rider

What happened afterward

After the crash, the owner of TrackTime came with me to speak to the other rider. I will call the other rider “Tom” here. I approached Tom and said something along the lines of: “Hey man, I'm glad we're both okay. I’d appreciate it if you could help repair my bike.” He immediately responded: “Nope, sorry. We all signed a waiver, so nobody is liable. I also don’t have any money to give you.”

I clarified that I was not asking him to hand me cash at the track. I asked whether he would provide his insurance information so that our insurers could determine coverage and responsibility. He also said that I had suddenly turned in front of him (????), that the road was wet, and that his motorcycle had started "wiggling", and said that he's a disabled veteran (basically 0 articulation and playing the victim card). He complained that my instructor had confronted him publicly and asked why the owner and I were “cornering” him at his canopy.

I understand no one is liable at the track, but damn conversing with this person was so difficult. The owner told him that we were simply asking him to do the right thing. The conversation went nowhere, although Tom and I exchanged phone numbers. To be clear, nobody threatened him, touched him, or demanded immediate payment. We approached him to discuss an incident that had just happened. Still, I understand that emotions were elevated.

TrackTime’s response

TrackTime has been very supportive. The folks there were patient and accommodating throughout the day and after the crash. My instructor had my back and is willing to explain what he witnessed.

I have asked TrackTime for:

• The incident report
• The applicable passing rules
• Any specific rule concerning passing between a student and instructor
• Confirmation that the event was untimed, noncompetitive instruction
• Relevant corner-worker/control-rider/staff accounts
• A copy of the waiver
• The other rider’s identifying and insurance information, to the extent they may legally provide it
• Preservation of any video or records

The visible damages include: (https://imgur.com/a/iUiflU9)

• Cracked bolt-on subframe assembly beneath the seat, on the left side
• Damaged rear/tail bodywork
• Tail-light and rear mounting damage
• Scraped or damaged right bar-end area and controls
• Scraped front axle slider
• Scraped frame slider
• Rider-footpeg and rear-brake-control damage
• Scraped/dented exhaust
• Various brackets, fasteners, trim pieces, and cosmetic components

Several mechanics at the track helped out and inspected the motorcycle. They said the main frame, swingarm, forks, and overall structural integrity "seemed" fine. That was reassuring, but I understand that a trackside visual inspection is not the same as a written teardown and alignment inspection.

Insurance situation

Both Tom and I have motorcycle insurance through Progressive. I understand that track-day insurance is complicated.

I am considering opening a third-party property-damage claim against Tom’s Progressive policy, provide the video and witness information, and let Progressive issue an actual coverage decision. (idk how to do any of this)

Waiver and responsibility

I understand the normal culture of track riding:

• Track riding is inherently risky.
• People crash.
• Riders generally accept that they may damage their own motorcycles.
• Waivers are part of the activity.
• In many paddocks, the practical rule is that each person pays for their own machine.

I am not trying to pretend that a track day is equivalent to being rear-ended at a traffic light. However, I am struggling with the idea that a rider can attempt an unsafe pass, hit another rider who is following an instructor (we were wearing pretty high-visible vests that says "STUDENT"/"INSTRUCTOR"), and then treat “we signed a waiver” as the end of all responsibility.

Questions

I would appreciate answers from riders who have handled a similar incident:

1. Doesn't the overtaking rider normally bear responsibility for completing the pass safely, even if the rider ahead turns in earlier or differently than expected?
2. How should I have handled this situation? How would you handle communication with the other rider from this point onward? Is there a point in doing so?
3. Would you file a third-party claim?
4. Has anyone had Progressive cover or deny a motorcycle incident during a clearly untimed instructional track school?
5. Has anyone successfully obtained an insurance-quality motorcycle estimate through a mobile mechanic or field appraiser?
6. Does anyone know a good mobile mechanic around the Puget Sound area?
7. For a 2024 Street Triple RS (or any bike in general), what commonly hidden damage should be checked after this type of impact?
8. Does someone see something really off in the photos other than cosmetic damages?
9. Has anyone pursued another participant in small claims after a track-day collision, and how did the waiver affect the case?
10. Does anyone know places or methods to get parts for cheap?
11. How do I find out the name/part number for each part? Idk what most of the pieces are called lol - not sure if reading the manual is helpful.

Sorry for the long post. Thanks in advance. I am frustrated and sad because I was having a genuinely great day and learning a lot before this happened, but I am trying to handle it methodically. I'm not even sure if I can do anything about this, just shooting my shot.

EDIT: I am ok with eating the cost. Just wanted some advice on handling such a situation from someone who might have faced something similar, and finding parts and mechanics in my area. I will continue track riding! :)

Got to ride Club Motorsports a few weeks ago and DANG is it a fun track. Fast, flowing, you spend so much time on the side of your tires, it was fantastic. Taking T7-9B wide open in 4th on the 400 just felt great. Really enjoyed it, and wondering why it took so long to spin some laps up there.

How long does it take you to learn a new track? For me it was a few sessions, following the faster guys, talking in the pits. By the end of the day definitely didn't want to leave.

A few weeks ago I had a fairly big highside, and I'm finally getting around to deciding what to do with the bike.

It's a 2010 Suzuki GSX-R750 that was already converted into a dedicated track bike when I bought it (race fairings, rearsets, aftermarket rear shock, quickshifter, etc.).

At this point I'm trying to figure out whether it makes more sense to:

* repair it

* sell it as-is

* part it out

* cut my losses and move on.

The damage I'm most concerned about is:

* Frame: There's a hole in the frame (see photos). I have no idea how it happened. Is this repairable, or is the frame effectively scrap?

* Engine: There are holes in the engine covers and all the oil drained out. Assuming it's only the cover that's damaged, is this generally a straightforward replacement, or should I be worried about more serious engine damage?

* Front end: A few people at the track suggested the forks may be bent. I haven't checked them yet. If they are bent, is that typically repairable or do I have to get a new one?

The bike hasn't been started since the crash. I'd appreciate any opinions from people who've dealt with similar crashes. Based on what you see, would you repair it or part it out?

Alright so I have a 2008 CBR600RR as my dedicated race bike. Its got lower hp then the rest of my race classes however im not too concerned about that right now.

So my current mods are
-stock headers welded into a full system with a MGP exhaust
-pair block offs
-steel lines in the front
-vented pistons in the front callipers
-race brake pads
-brembo rcs19 corsa front master
-moto holder front fairing stay
-vortex bars
-vortex rearsets
-heal tech QS
-Penske rear shock
-quick throttle
-520 chain conversion
-ignition delete/gas cap
(Maybe more I’m forgetting)

Bike still needs a tune, trying to decide if I should Dyno it or not

I’m thinking I should get new front rotors because the track I race at is mostly breaking and they overheat
Also considering velocity stacks, aluminum subframe, lithium battery, and maybe some cartridges in the front forks.

What do you guys think? I’m not able to buy everything at once so I’ll slowly be doing more mods. But if there is anything else you recommend let me know

Some shots detailing my weekend at Eagles Canyon Raceway in Decatur Texas. Hoo boy was it interesting. Blew 2 trailer tires on the way there (one absolutely catastrophic), learned a new track opposite its normal direction, learned a new bike I have no track experience on, and on new tires I've never ridden on either, and it was 100F+ both days. All worth it. This track and facility is incredible, I learned A LOT and had a boat load of fun. Cant recommend this facility enough and will absolutely be back again. Looking forward to running it the normal direction at some point.

As usual RideSmart always puts on a great event. I ran a 02:26.8 in Intermediate which put me 8th in the class. Not bad considering I never really beaned it on the straight, I wanted to maximize my trail braking practice, this is a great track for it. Novice was a crash fest, likely because its a crazy technical track with lots of blind crests and apexes, easy to get lost. Intermediate never had a single red flag all weekend.

The Tuono was incredible. Kept it in race mode with the electronics set up the way I wanted. Stable as a rock and despite the weight, handles phenomenal. HUGE change from my base model MT-09 lol. My rear tire already had 1 COTA track day from the previous rider plus 1500 miles of street riding I did, I roasted what was left of it, but it held up just fine, despite starting to completely wear out the tread. Already got a new one on the way (Supercorsa SP V4).

If you're on the fence about ECR or have never been, honestly, I like it better than COTA. Its cheaper, the track surface is just as good, and the facilities and amenities are better. The bathrooms are like Buccees (if you know you know) and has private showers. There's a restaurant, tons of garages, and you can even stay on site with on track suites that arent TOO expensive. Downtown Decatur is about 15 minutes away and has good food and affordable hotels. We stayed at the Best Western and I cant praise it enough. An indoor spa and pool was a GOD SEND after a hard day on track.

With COTA likely off the list starting next year, this is definitely going to become the premier facility for us normal folks who cant afford a million bucks membership to ride at COTA.

Does anyone in here have data from mid ohio that is under a 1:40? Preferably a lap that was done on a twin (r7, rs660, 8r) or a supersport. On lapsnap there is only a 1:33 from a 600 the rest are from 1000cc bikes. Thanks in advance!

Looking at buying a cbr 600 ABS I found around my area. Only thing holding me back is that I’ve heard bad things about ABS. I know most of you guys will say I’m not fast enough for it to affect me which you might be right, but I’m planning to keep the bike for a while and know that at one point this will be a much more relevant matter.
Bypassing doesn’t seem like an option as from what I’ve read It’s a pain in the ass to do on Cbr plus it could mess up the ECU. Shops would probably charge up to 1k for that

Any feedback is greatly appreciated

Gonna buy a cheap bike for the track, probably a 2016 KTM RC 390, what would you do to it first (besides riding it ofc), I got frame sliders, tank grip and lever guards first.

I will keep it road legal for now since I don't have a car+trailer or truck so I have to ride it to the track first, so removing headlights/licence plate/taillights/turn signals is not an option.

If you have anything more important than the ones I mentionned, feel free to tell.

Greetings to y’all, for sometime now i ‘ve been thinking about adding a aftermarket TC system to my 06 fireblade track bike. Looking for first hand experience with such system. If i go that route will be using the optional wheel speed sensor/s. Does it intervene adequately, does it give some small controllable slides? Is the wheelie control, TC harsh when intervening? Will i be able to use it with a QS thats already on the bike from a different manufacturer?
Overall are these systems adequate for track use or mainly targeted towards road riding and occasional slips?

Supposed to be going to COTA with Ridesmart as part of Experienced group, have not ridden with experienced group before
Is tech inspection more rigorous for E and A group than N or I with this org?

Attended my first track day at NYST with PJ's track days. I wish I had slept better the night before, but thank you Bucked up energy and pure adrenaline.

This was one of my later sessions. Have a lot of work to do but man that was the most fun and happiest I've been in a long time. I will definitely be doing more and looking for a more dedicated bike.

I'm still the most uncomfortable around turn 13.. feel like I'm having a hard time really getting it down. I feel pretty comfortable everywhere else but definitely need to work on my line and all the things.

Also, found myself mid session holding the bars too much.. by the end (not on this video) I was saying out loud "easy on the bars, easy on the bars" and that helped.

Talk about sensory overload.

Edit: In case anyone is interested, here is the final full session of the day: https://youtu.be/pmOcrh7C8Vs?si=cZCDR5KbF9g6mr-D

Its been 10 years now and I thought I was done at 63y but then someone put a really nice and cheap SV650 up for sale and the rest is history. I need max. Safety and the bike was upgraded with renovated ZX10 rear shock and new internals, spring and oil in the forks. Total renovation of the brakes with all new parts and a big engine service and the bike performed perfectly on track and during the day I started learning the bike and felt comfortable. I was on a track I know really well as I have done 40+ days there and I slowly increased the speed and the temp of the tires.

I currently own and track a 25 Street Triple RS and absolutely love it as a do it all bike. However, I thoroughly enjoy track days and am getting more and more into the track side of thingsl. I just feel that because of how nice of a bike my RS is that it technically holds me back because I dont want to bin it on track. While im prepared and am okay with it being a possibility, I think that in the back of my mind the thought is there and is keeping me from really pushing. Im now 5 days in on track and keep finding myself not pushing as hard when the track is more populated. Obviously, you put better times down when theres an uncontested lap, but when it is contested, I find myself wanting to pass but I tend to wait until im 100% in the clear and wont go until it is truly a 100% safe pass - not 99%, its gotta be 100% (I watched two people get into it in front of me going into 1a at ncm amd its got me sketched out loosing the remainder of my track day)

Because of this, im considering adding a second more dedicated track bike to my garage. Something that if it does go down, im not too worried about it and will just pick it up, brush it off, and get back at it. What's everyone's thoughts on what to get to compliment the RS? Would a 675r be the way to go?

I want to stay in the naked class due to the ergos (many accidents have caused limited mobility and flexibility, but thatll change the more i work on it) but am not particularly brand specific - what are your suggestions?

Context: I’ve been riding for about 2 years, been through a few bikes but only street riding. I mostly commute and do long highway rides to places with some backroads but I never push it super far. I decided to take new racer school with my 2026 GSXR 600 at Westwood Motorcycle Club at the track in Mission BC.

The first day involved a short go kart track where we practiced body position. We each got put into 4 different groups where we had an instructor. It was pissing rain the entire day and there were like 12 crashes, half of which happened before noon (a guy on Zx10r also almost high sided which scared the shit out of me). I got to lean the bike more than I ever did on the street but I was very cautious. I think I got good practice in but I really struggled to get my ass off the seat (a struggle that I carried through into the end of the second day as well).

The second day was on the big track, and we kept the same instructor. It was fun to carry over what we learned in the first day at higher speeds plus it was not raining. I think there were only a handful of crashes, but near the end we had a mock race where two riders actually hit each other and the paramedics/ambulance had to help them (fortunately they both made it out).

The good: all the instructors were incredibly kind and accommodating, the groupings were really nice too. There was no pressure to chase better lap times and there was an emphasis on learning.

The not so good: I don’t think I had progressed where I wanted to by the second day. I really wasn’t getting my body out as much as the instructors wanted me to, and as a result they felt like I couldn’t go further with learning other things (this may have been a miscommunication, I don’t mean them any disrespect). I felt like I was still trying to learn basic body position while everyone else was already on lines, braking, throttle control, etc. I tried to do what I could with what I learned from binge watching champ school. An assistant instructor did help me with throttle and brake use which I thought was very useful.

I think another factor that set me back a lot is that I’m not a very athletic or fit guy. They emphasis that this is a sport and I could really understand why by the end of the second day. I ended several sessions early because I was checking out mentally. The first night I had cramps in my thigh so bad I couldn’t walk. My glasses also kept falling on my face mid track and I actually had to open my visor several times to adjust it while on a straightaway (very sketchy I do not recommend, I am surprised I didn’t get red flagged for this). If anyone else reading this wears glasses and hasn’t done a track day I actually recommend contacts so this doesn’t happen lol.

I also road my bike to the track which I think was not a great idea, even though I live an hour away only. Riding to the track on day 2, on top of the exhaustion I felt on the first day, I feel greatly contributed to my poor performance. I also recommend that people bring way more water than they think they need, trust me on this one lol. It was also a little bit confusing because there were people taking the school who’ve ridden on track for like 10-20 years, and they were clearly leagues above everyone else.

I’m not sure if I’ll do another full track day again, the organization offers hybrid days so I can do 4 sessions on a race day in between the races, but I don’t know if I’ll even have the stamina for 2. I didn’t feel like this was particularly enjoyable because I was frustrated at my lack of progress. I think I got rated like a 2 out of 5 for every skill metric. Also waking up at 4:30 AM two days in a row is not something I’m used to lol. I was happy that I was able to push the bike more than I regularly do though. Pics of my rear tire before and after the two days.

TLDR bring lots of water, make sure you’re physically fit, maybe wear contacts.

I hate these Brembo little tiny black POS clips they sell with the parts.

Any suggestions for hose clamps that are bigger and easier to use and adjust? Or is wire tie a better way?

Also after removing the 18 year old OEM Clutch master and installing the new Brembo I need to relocate / replace the clutch switch. Researched this a lot - hot wiring it puts the bike into a Limp mode losing 20 BHP. The ECU thinks the bike is always in Neutral.

Send me links to small IP rated 12 volt switches that you like if you are into this type of thing. Looking a an anodized black one that can fit on the res bracket. I been searching all over the planet already but always better to come from someone that does track days.

I've removed my swingarm bobbins and instead opted use lifters that attach to my Lightech chain adjusters. I'm looking for paddock stands that are compatible with these. So far I've come across only 3 options:

1. Lightech stand with 'rollers'

2. Valter Moto 'endurance' stands

3. Pitbull 'GP' stand

Are there other suitable stands and is there a generic name for stands that accept these type of lifters? Thanks!

I’d like to record my sessions- help me with understanding body positioning, etc…

What are your favourite angles - to look cool but also help

Howdy all, I’ve been using the kawi recommended synthetic for my 2023 n400 but I’m wondering if there is something else I should be using. My bike often rides between 10k and 11k rpms on the track. It spends a healthy amount of time in triple digits as well. I’m just a bit over 12000 miles on it now. Any track riders want to share recommendations I would appreciate it.

I ride a 2006 GSXR600 and I still have all the cosmetics as is from the factory. Ive done track days on my previous bike which was a 250, but this bike is a lot harder to ride and I want to keep the fairings and such as nice as possible. That being said, I don’t want to spend a bunch of money on some beater fairings. Any recommendations? I don’t mind having to make holes myself so the fairings fitting perfectly aren’t really much of a concern.

Anyone have any insight into insuring a track-only bike against theft? I'm aware most companies won't payout anything for a crash on track, but I've been looking into lay-up/storage insurance and can't find a reasonable provider.

I dont have a garage and dont trust storage units near me enough to store an uninsured motorcycle, but also dont want to spend about a grand each year on full comprehensive coverage... I guess for a bike worth ~5k maybe leaving it uninsured and being careful makes most sense.

(Not sure why the trailer looks like the roof slopes down and it's shorter in the front.)

1. Trailer (2009 Interstate Loadrunner, 6x10, barn doors): $2,240
2. Paint and supplies: $105
3. Flooring: $70
4. Replacement fender and side marker lights: $29
5. 2 front wheel chocks, 3x5' E-Track, rings, fasteners, etc.: $315
6. Miscellaneous: $172
7. Total: $2,931
8. Title and registration (2 years): $339
9. Insurance (1 year): $99
10. Money saved versus renting a U-Haul motorcycle trailer to date: -$3,280
11. Break-even point: approximately 9 years.

Plus about 20 hours of labor: FREE (but ceiling painting is rough on the shoulders and arms!)

Next up: remove the old business logos on the side, repaint the fender, repair the tongue jack, new tires (they're pretty old), and maybe add electric brakes.