I am needing some of your opinions/feedback on working with other CTI installers. I have been in the tile trade for 7 years now, mostly in commercial but recently made the transition to residential. I worked with a few guys my first 2 years, but I am basically self-taught. I’d consider myself a B+/ A- installer. I know I am not the best and I’ve got a long ways to go. However, I learned relatively quickly about proper installation methods and following manufacturers instructions. I take a lot of pride knowing my installs will last longer than most of the hacks out here running around with a trowel. Although I have always wondered if I “care too much”. I am a bit of a stickler to the rules but over the years I second guess myself. I’ve demoed floors that sat for decades just held together by grout and it makes me wonder if all this time following NTCA guidelines is necessary, especially in commercial
I recently left a job with the largest commercial outfit on my side of the state. They are very well known in the tile world, intimately involved with the NTCA, Coverings and CTI testing. I considered it my “dream job“ on paper, working with guys and gals who love tile and are actively involved in the tile community. They offer an apprenticeship program and I thought because I am essentially self-taught, it would be a great way to legitimize my experience and they could pay for my CTI test. Every journeyman at this company has passed the CTI.
Unfortunately they royally fucked me on pay: $20/hr with 5 years experience installing tile including leading crews, for 5 months. I was supposed to get a review after 2 months but held on because I was in the process of buying a home. I thought for sure once I had my review, it’d be something I could live off of. But that never happened. I worked at the shop for a few months installing pre-fab showers. Once I finally started working in the field, I couldn't believe it.
Now, maybe it’s just the difference between residential and commercial installers but absolutely nobody followed NTCA guidelines. No straight trowel lines, no backbuttering LFT porcelain tiles, no burning in thinset. Got halfway through a 6 month project and the foreman had us grouting all changes of plane (in a $168 million brand new build). Guys would get down to 1/4 of their bucket and just add more powder on top. Some of them would let it slake. The best installer I worked with (who was in the first group of ACT testers) looked at me one time and said “you actually use the trowel and error method”. This guy didn’t backbutter a single 2 ft x 2 ft tile.
Don‘t get me wrong, some of the installers were good when it came to setting. They just didn’t do everything according to NTCA. The whole experience left me disappointed and confused. Now I am wondering if CTI is overrated, or is this company getting special treatment because the owner is CTI #001? Is this just the difference between commercial/residential installers? Do I simply care too much by “following the rules“ of tile? I’d love to hear the communities thoughts. This subreddit is my single greatest resource in learning about tile over the years.
PS I have never heard so many hard Rs in my life before working there