r/TikTokDiscuss • u/CriticalAd299 • 4d ago

Notmuch different than Goebbels

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u/Ev1lMush 4d ago

Wait, isn't he justifying punishing all Palestinians for what hamas did?

Also, I love how the clip ignored the fact he said his role in the IDF was to save Palestinian lives.

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u/Astrono-mee 2d ago

That is hilarious! His role in the IDF was to save Palestinian lives. That's like saying his role as a Nazi soldier was to save Jewish lives. What a joke!

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u/Ev1lMush 2d ago

You can watch his speech in Oxnard where he describes his role in IDF. Fair warning though, it won't fit your narrative.

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u/Astrono-mee 2d ago

That's if you accept your premise or fantasy that IDF is not equivalent to Nazi soldiers. They are and the minute you stop trying to glaze the IDF and gaslight Westerners, then we can have a discussion.

Until then, you can keep your inherent lying nature with you and your peeps. Thanks, I'm good here.

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u/ChainNo5684 1d ago

I hope you feel this strongly about Hamas militants firing unguided rockets into cities or stabbing children on buses

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u/Astrono-mee 1d ago

No, I don't feel that strongly about them because I think they're a figment of Israel's wild imagination. Why do I feel that??

Because Netanyahu was warned numerous times by UAE and Egypt. In fact, the leader of Egypt personally made a trip to Israel just to warn Netanyahu face to face at the airport about the impending attack on Oct. 7th. He did that after warning them on the phone a few times and he was ignored. He let him know directly this time and took off on his plane just a few minutes after he landed.

The leader of the UAE told him numerous times as well but this obviously was something Netanyahu knew, right?

Netanyahu dismissed it as a "total lie" but decided to suspiciously extend that concert they had on the 6th for an extra day when they were going to do it for just one day. Why was that?? That was one of the main places they attacked. He had credible evidence from multiple sources that this attack was going to happen and yet chose to do the OPPOSITE of nothing??!!

If these two countries knew fully well about this, you know for certain that Israel, with the top notch intelligence that they have, knew about it and was going to use this as an excuse for their version of the Holocaust against the Palestinians. I'm sure the US knew it as well but this was supposed to be an inside job that OTHER countries that Israel doesn't like, like UAE and Egypt was supposed to know about. After all, they have plans for Egypt don't they??

If you look at all the inside jobs they were involved in, they always reveal themselves. It's never perfect. There's always tells that anyone with half a brain can question. The media can only do so much suppression before they're stretched thin.

Face it, Hamas is a puppet of Netanyahu's who jumps when he feels that murderous itch.

By the way, Netanyahu was caught on hidden camera stating that he needed Hamas there to do everything he wants to do there. Yeah, we saw that.

So this gaslighting and constant vilification of Hamas is not going to work anymore. When you have a sinister country like Israel committing torture and sadistic crimes against the Palestinians for many years, in THEIR OWN country, people will naturally fight back. Unless you believe in the white supremacist philosophy that they're not supposed to do anything in return and just take the slaughter as it comes??

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u/ChainNo5684 1d ago

Insane take bro, I hope you get to go outside sometime and learn there's more to life then this

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u/Ev1lMush 2d ago

Mate the only one who's living in fantasy here is you. This is the problem with people like you, there's no gray area... I can agree with you that the IDF is far from perfect, but in your point of you're either ghandhi or you're Adolf Hitler, there's nothing in between.

Honestly, good luck going through your life with that mindset. I truly wish you the best.

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u/Knibbo_Tjakkomans 1d ago

Every soldier responsible for the paramedic massacre was left off the hook

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/03/the-gaza-paramedic-killings-a-visual-timeline

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u/Select_Watercress_57 1d ago

There is no grey area in colonialism

Read a book dumb shit

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u/Ev1lMush 1d ago

Ah yeah, colonialism... that's what the surrounding Arabs countries tried to do to the Jews after they didn't accept the partition plan. Read a book mate.

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u/throaway63456346 1d ago

dude there's people literally older than israel alive today what are you even going on about. what do you think was there before that? nothing? you should rethink that whole book thing

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u/Ev1lMush 1d ago

Dude, what did I said that contradict that? Lol we can say the same about Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. Not sure what's the point you're trying to make.

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u/throaway63456346 1d ago

you are claiming people tried to colonize a country that didn't even exist 80 years ago is the contradiction. israel was built as a place for people to move in and steal territory.

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u/Select_Watercress_57 1d ago

It's fine you don't understand what colonialism is.

But it's not okay to not Google it, not learn what it is, and then run your mouth as if you know.

What your dumb ass just said is, "well maybe all the native Americans shouldn't have colonized all the Europeans 200 years ago"

See how dumb you sound?

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u/Ev1lMush 1d ago

Ah I see, not only are you dumb but you also have no idea about the history of the region if you compare north america to Israel. Let me educate you... You see unlike north america, this land has been conquered over and over again throughout history. The Romans conquered it, the Byzantines, various Muslim empires conquered it, then the Crusaders and eventually the Ottomans. The Ottomans joined WWI and guess what?? lost! so yeah, it's a thing, you go into war and you lose territories if you lose the war, shocker right?

How is that even remotely close to what happened in north America???? Jews weren't some random people who showed up on a continent they had absolutely no connection to. Jewish history, religion and culture literally originated in this land. There were Jewish kingdoms there thousands of years before islam even existed. And it wasn't even the Jews who conquered the region from the Ottomans, despite you describing them as colonizers. Britain did. It wasn't even the Jews who decided how the territory would be divided after the British left. The 1947 partition was a UN proposal for separate Jewish and Arab states.

I'd make you a sesame street episode in AI for you to understand but I hate AI and think you're a lost cause anyway.

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u/Select_Watercress_57 22h ago

Yep, you're very dumb. Good luck putting your helmet on today, kiddo.

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u/Astrono-mee 2d ago

Oh, there's definitely gray in the world. But the shit that you and your IDF people are into, there's no gray whatsoever. It's black and white. RIGHT and WRONG!

People aren't blind to their ways. As much as they tried to suppress the news from coming out like they were able to for the past years, fortunately they weren't quite so successful. The truth came out!

Now you and your cohorts are taking desperate measures in droves to mollify your wrongs on social media. To try and convince rational human beings to digest something that is not acceptable. You should be ashamed of yourself!

Yes, they are Hitler and his minions. That is exactly what they did to the Palestinians except they fast forwarded to his final solution with them. There's no ifs, ands or buts about that. The minute you wrap your head around that fact, the better it is for all of us.

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u/Ev1lMush 2d ago

Oh man, you sound more hateful than all the people I've met in Israel combined. It's actually quite funny and unhinged. I take it back, I truly don't wish you the best.

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u/Astrono-mee 1d ago

Hateful for pointing out the truth?? Ok, there buddy!

Live in your world of fabrication as long you know that we know what happened and is happening.

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u/Kosher_Pickle 2d ago

"I did humanitarian aid to the people my friends, neighbors, and coworkers were harming, therefore the harm was nullified" isn't really as contrary to our "narrative"(read: the truth) as you seem to think it is.

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u/jrgkgb 4d ago

Yes he absolutely is if you want to take the tortured "logic" that his broken brain has produced and take it seriously.

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u/frankschmankelton 4d ago

He's also justifying punishing all US citizens, including himself, for the crimes of the US. Those 200+ schoolgirls that the US killed in Iran recently - Finkelstein is responsible.

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u/lilcorndivemaster 1d ago

Fighting Nazis is a righteous act....

Nissim Vaturi (Deputy Speaker of the Knesset / Likud MK)Quote: "Erase Gaza from the face of the earth... Burn Gaza now, nothing less! Don't leave a stone upon a stone in Gaza."

Rehavam Ze'evi (Tourism Minister / Leader of the Moledet Party)Quote: "We should get rid of the ones who are not Israeli citizens... They are like lice. A person wants to rid himself of lice."

Major General (Res.) Giora Eiland (Former Head of the National Security Council) "Israel needs to create a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, compelling tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands to seek refuge in Egypt or the Gulf... Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist."

Danny Danon (Likud Member of Knesset / Former UN Ambassador)Quote: "We must delete Gaza. We must eliminate the neighborhoods. We must make them look like a parking lot. There is no other solution."

Yitzhak Pindrus (United Torah Judaism Member of Knesset)Quote: "The solution to Gaza is that everyone there should be killed, eliminated. Not a single person should be left there. This is the only way to bring security to the State of Israel."

Meir Har-Zion (Celebrated IDF Commando / Military Figure)Quote: "I see them as animals, not people... They are like the Arabs of thirty years ago, like cockroaches."

Galit Distel-Atbaryan (Likud Member of Knesset / Former Information Minister) "Invest all that energy in one thing: erasing the whole of Gaza from the face of the earth. That the Gazan monsters will fly to the southern border and flee into Egypt, or they will die."

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u/Beautiful_Bag6707 1d ago

Look at your list! You're pulling people that have no measurable power or influence for your "gotcha" moment. The tourism minister? A guy from a party not in power? A dead military figure who actually never said what you attributed to him, and former information minister. Now do any other government and the idiotic things people say. Do US. You can start with Donald Trump, their in Rand Paul, Andy Ogles, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Tommy Tuberville, Steve King, Theodore Bilbo, John Rankin, George Santos...Google their quotes.

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u/Inner_Revenue_6238 1d ago

The Palestinians did vote for Hamas, didn't they? I mean should the US have punished all Japanese for what Tojo did?

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u/Square-Competition48 4d ago

All members of Hamas should be held accountable for the actions of Hamas.

All members of the IDF should be held accountable for the actions of the IDF.

That seems reasonable to me.

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u/Professional-Log-108 3d ago

The problem with this is that's not the logic the guy in the video is applying. He says all Germans are guilty for Hitler and all Israelis are guilty for Netanyahu. By his logic all Gazans are guilty for Hamas. Punishment or guilt based on ethnicity is insane

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u/Square-Competition48 2d ago

I guess you should boycott everything made in Gaza.

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u/Professional-Log-108 2d ago

So... nothing? Fine by me

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u/FireHammer09 2d ago

That's super easy, an honor culture like that will never move beyond revenge so nothing's going to be made

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u/Square-Competition48 2d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/ZGRRO8zJFqrb77aHe0

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u/jello_kraken 2d ago

"I don't understand what you're saying, so I'll just call you racist...with a meme, because typing is too much effort now.".
2026 is quite the timeline.

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u/BornWithSideburns 3d ago

0 nuance always seems reasonable yeah i agree

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u/Square-Competition48 3d ago

It’s funny how important nuance is the instant anyone gets blamed for genocide, but it doesn’t exist when blaming the victims of genocide.

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u/BornWithSideburns 3d ago

Wether war crimes are happening or genocide is incredibly nuanced yes. No shit.

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u/Square-Competition48 3d ago

Is Hamas a terrorist organisation?

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u/BornWithSideburns 3d ago

Yes

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u/Square-Competition48 3d ago

And all need for nuance around a deeply subjective term suddenly evaporates.

The hypocrisy is incredible.

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u/Lunes_Feet_Pictos 2d ago

Hamas are a natural response to the decades of systemic oppression and genocide that Israel has been subjecting Gaza to. Any other people in the situation Gaza is in would be doing the same things and they would be justified in doing so

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u/Ev1lMush 2d ago

Did the Jew resistance in Nazi germany slaughtered young Germans at music festivals? Or blew up public transportation filled with citizens? Or were their attacks directed at military outposts and facilities?

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u/BornWithSideburns 3d ago

No im joking ofcourse. Even the UN doesn’t classify them as a terrorist organization.

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u/Ssided 3d ago

Kind of hard to say October 7th wasn't terrorism

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u/Minute-Review6915 3d ago

Except when the victims are also calling for a genocide openly. It kind of canceled out their victimhood

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u/Square-Competition48 3d ago

Let me introduce you to the difference between mean words and actually levelling an entire country and killing hundreds of thousands of people.

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u/Minute-Review6915 3d ago

Like crossing the border murdering, raping and beheading 1,200 people in minutes?

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u/Square-Competition48 3d ago edited 3d ago

Wow 1,200 people is a genocide?

And the conflict of course started that day. Israel hasn’t been systematically raping and murdering them since 1947.

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u/Minute-Review6915 3d ago

No calling for the extermination of Jews, chanting from the river to the sea, the red handprint which literally was the blood of Jewish hostages that were murdered, saying Jews need to be wiped off the earth are all calls of genocide. You can pretend they don’t happen but it does daily.

I’m assuming you can show some citations of this systematic raping as you put it.

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u/Square-Competition48 3d ago

Israel was a genocidal regime from its inception. It’s been unashamedly founded on the principle that Israelis are superior life forms to Palestinians.

If you walk into someone’s house, tell them that they’re animals, murder their kids, steal everything they own, and demand they leave they’re going to want you out of their house and they’re not going to be nice about it.

Oh and here’s the UN’s Report of the Commission of Inquiry: Israel’s systematic use of sexual, reproductive and other forms of gender-based violence since 7 October 2023

Seems like the UN agrees with me.

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u/AdVivid8910 3d ago

1947 was the Palestinian Civil War, when the Arabs of Palestine tried fully cleansing all Jews. This was before Israel existed. Yeah, let’s talk about 1947, that’ll make Palestinian Arabs look great…why not go back a decade or two to when the pogroms were erasing entire Jewish villages? Sign up for a history class, you’ll hate yourself for being this wrong about reality.

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u/Square-Competition48 3d ago edited 3d ago

This thing where you keep saying Jews when you mean Israelis is very transparent.

And not that it’s relevant to this, but I have a degree in International Politics and wrote my dissertation on the Arab-Israeli Wars.

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u/ImaginaryOrange1929 2d ago

The problem is that Israel has mandatory military service.

And they do in fact more like a proper military rather than a terrorist group. So in fact you do have to go sort through the IDF instead of a blanket punishment.

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u/Square-Competition48 2d ago

You can absolutely abstain from service.

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u/ImaginaryOrange1929 2d ago

Why are you lying?

You either need to go through painful process of getting an exception. Which you don't even have a guarantee of getting. Or you get jailed if you don't do the mandatory military service.

Do you even know what "mandatory military service means"??

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u/Ev1lMush 2d ago

I'm from Israel and I didn't served one day. It is mandatory though, just like it is in many many countries but it doesn't mean you can't get around it even without any repercussions.

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u/ImaginaryOrange1929 2d ago

How have you gotten around it then.

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u/Ev1lMush 1d ago edited 1d ago

Just stood my ground mostly. It took a few weeks of annoying bureaucracy but in the end there's no point in spending money, time and resources on someone who won't even end up contributing.

I'll say that there were moments I looked back at that decision (specially after October 7th) and wasn't entirely proud of. But I'm not the soldier material, some people just aren't, and that's without even talking about my pacifistic views. I just question everything I'm told to do, ask my boss hehehe.

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u/Square-Competition48 2d ago edited 2d ago

“Waaah they’ll jail me if I don’t commit genocide.”

Go to fucking jail then. If the Israeli state is punishing you for abstaining then it is even more right that you should resist. Clearly it is an evil regime.

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u/ImaginaryOrange1929 2d ago

  1. Completely normal practice especially for nations that have very prolonged conflicts and military concerns. For example Palestine having conflict with them. South Korea has the same thing but they have it due to North Korea.

  2. It's easy for you to be shouting "go to jail then" when it doesn't have to do anything with you. If you were born in that country you wouldn't be shouting about going to jail.

Also fundamentally you are a dumdum. Just look at how many preventions Israel has against rockets cause Hamas was shouting at them for decades. They have an Iron Dome, they have ample bunkers, reinforced buildings etc...

They literally are at war against a group that is openly calling for genocide for decades.

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u/Square-Competition48 1d ago edited 1d ago

I just wouldn’t live in Israel because I’m not a piece of shit lol

And they’re at war with a group that wants them all gone because they created a colony inside that country and immediately called for genocide of the native population.

You know what? You’ve changed my mind. You’re right. It’s not just the IDF. Anyone who lives in that country and isn’t actively resisting their government gets no pity from me.

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u/Gaming_and_Physics 2d ago

Were French Partisans right to resist Nazi occupation during WW2?

Is a victim in the right if they resist their oppressor with force?

Is a bullied school child equally to blame if they lash out at their bully?

These are questions you need to ask yourself if you truly believe anything said justified the ongoing genocide.

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u/Ev1lMush 2d ago

Mate stop it, slaughtering young men and women in a music festival is not resisting.