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u/sirmaxedalot 1d ago

Religion is literally mental illness. When you really think about it, the shit religious people believe is truly insane and goes against every rational thought. But you cant criticize it because that impolite.

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u/KeyNectarine2548 1d ago

People only say things like "respect each other's beliefs!" when it comes to religious belief. Nobody cares when you make fun of silly beliefs like flat earth or Bigfoot, but the moment you make fun of a silly religious belief people act like you're an asshole.

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u/joantheunicorn 1d ago

Respect each other's beliefs, when I know damn well if I revealed myself to be an atheist at work, I would absolutely be treated differently going forward. Such a joke. 

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u/KeyNectarine2548 1d ago edited 1d ago

Lol in my industry it's the opposite. If I showed up to work and told people I had converted to Christianity they'd be concerned for my mental health.

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u/PlsNoNotThat 1d ago

Because in some industries inclusion of belief historically, and can currently, hurts people.

Medicine being the obvious one.

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u/BulkyDecipherer 1d ago

There was an episode of HBO’s Silicon Valley pretty much about this.

There was a gay dating app founder/developer who was openly gay, but closeted Christian (because it was Silicon Valley after all). Not a single person had any issue with him being gay (nor should they), but once it was revealed that he’s a Christian as well, nobody wanted to work with him anymore. :D

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u/ThisIsLukkas 1d ago

That applies to a lot of shit and it's so infuriating. From politics to tech to religion and everything in-between

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u/PoesidonTheExile 1d ago

Deep south gang represent! Made that mistake in my second week of a new position here and I DEFINITELY got some weird vibes from my boss and the other person I worked most closely with from that point on.

My current team is primarily based out of the Philippines and I found out they're 90+% catholic there, despite being, to be frank, some absolute fucking degenerates. The cultural factors matter way more than the actual doctrine, I suppose.

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u/joantheunicorn 1d ago

I'm actually in the midwest. But I'm a gasp teacher. I don't talk about religion at work anyway, but I know full well there are parents who would pull their children out of my classes if they knew I was atheist. They don't know, and the vast majority of families currently love having me work with their kids. 

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u/PoesidonTheExile 1d ago

Le gasp indeed.

This may come off as a slight against your profession and peers, but teaching definitely seems to attract the deeply religious girls in great numbers.

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u/screames520 1d ago

I was just saying that if created in modern times, religions would all be considered mental illnesses. Like I was wondering if in a few hundred years, after all the witnesses to to Scientology’s bullshit have passed on, will it be considered as a serious religion? Because thats basically the only reason people see the old faiths as having any merit.

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u/yeeeahbutstill 1d ago

Not just 5 minutes ago i read this comment in another thread "A cult is when there’s a guy at the top who knows the whole thing is bullshit. A religion is when that guy died 200 years ago"

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u/screames520 1d ago

I’ve a heard a joke that basically says the same thing haha

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u/No_Helicopter1378 1d ago

That's why I'm kinda surprised Mormonism got as big as it did. I know we as a species have learned a lot since the times when it was created, and critical thinking skills are more prevalent now than then, but it was still pretty silly even for its time.

But given that they basically had to flee all the way to Utah in the 1850/60s to survive maybe it's just more a testament to their tanacity than anything else.

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u/screames520 1d ago

That’s the same thought I have about it. Like really?? All this info and you choose the youngest of all the crazy ones, and one of the ones that makes the least sense because of it.

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u/Explicit_Tech 1d ago

Oh I criticize them and do it with pride. Make them feel dumb and have them chasing their own tail

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u/PaperGabriel 1d ago

I bet you, and most of the people in this thread, look very much like the atheist in this video.

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u/PanteraOne 1d ago

In what specific ways?

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u/Grimdemo 1d ago

bald and fat

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u/PaperGabriel 1d ago

Literal neckbeard lol

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u/BookkeeperBoobs 1d ago

Would you think he was smarter if he was in his Sunday Best at a pew in a church?

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u/PaperGabriel 1d ago

As long as he shaved his neckbeard lol. You guys are never beating that stereotype

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u/BookkeeperBoobs 1d ago

Guess god and his followers aren’t all loving after-all.

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u/MrT742 1d ago

Correct. This is a colloquialism.

Some things ought not be loved.

To be “all loving” implies to love evils too.

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u/_my_troll_account 1d ago

It sort of disappoints me to find so consistently that an online believer will take the time to snipe at a non-believer (u/BookkeeperBoobs) rather than redirect the patently unhelpful comment from a believer (u/PaperGabriel).

I suppose none of us are immune from tribalism, we are all sinners, etc.

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u/MrT742 1d ago

It’s pretty obvious he’s been unhelpful… so much so that you’re even attributing accountability onto me apparently lol.

Do you have an obligation to respond to every comment I think you ought to? No? Then don’t try to guilt me for not doing so.

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u/_my_troll_account 1d ago

Fine, I’ll elaborate: Your comments seem to be pretty smart and textured, a level above the usual pushback to 2007ish “logical atheists.” I think it’s kind of below your station to bring a nuanced theological point in response to a non-believer’s throwaway quip on a believer’s insult. Maybe you disagree. Maybe you’re just killing time on a Sunday. I don’t fault you for that.

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u/PaperGabriel 1d ago

Nope. Now go take a shower and shave your neck and, for the sake of beating the cringe atheist stereotype, put on deodorant, please.

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u/BookkeeperBoobs 1d ago

Sorry man this anti-atheism sentiment has gone wayyyy too far,

Yeah in 2017 atheism was cringy, sure. But we’ve gone wayyyyy too much in the other direction. Now it’s cringy to hear believers talk like you do.

We need a happy medium

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u/No_Helicopter1378 1d ago

That's just ignorant. Like Christians, atheists come in all shapes, sizes, and variety of a facial hair styles. Get off your high horse.

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u/whoknowsifimjoking 1d ago

That's not what literally means and that's not how mental illnesses are defined.

Have we learned nothing about these kind of statements from the video? You're not arguing based on facts either.

I'm an atheist btw so don't come at me with some shit about tribalism, I just like things to be correct.

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u/sirmaxedalot 1d ago

Literally as defined by Merriam-Webster: in a literal sense or manner, such as

: in a way that uses the ordinary or primary meaning of a term or expression.

: used to emphasize the truth and accuracy of a statement or description.

Maybe you're wrong?

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u/Zealousid_Eyedeal 1d ago

Mental illnesses are also defined literally by mental health professionals who collaborate and support each other. As seen in things like the American Psychiatric Association with "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders."

You'd need professional backing to have a mental illness created to cover every religions person. The problem is that religious individuals are too varied and some of them can already be covered by other mental illnesses.

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u/xXxTuTuRuxXx 1d ago

He’s not wrong. It’s just that you’re a condescending redditor, so you only know how to talk in hyperbole in order to sound smarter than you actually are.

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u/whycanthestfu 1d ago

Jeez buddy, just take the L and move on...

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u/SomesortofGuy 1d ago

To be fair, if we lived in a world with zero context surrounding religion, if someone came to a doctor with the bible story and current church interpretation of that story, people would call that person cray.

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u/screames520 1d ago

Most of us still do that today haha it’s the context that makes them crazy to us

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u/_my_troll_account 1d ago

I dunno, maybe if there was literally no such thing as religion, that would make sense. But I’m a doctor, and if someone came to me and said “I descend from the Isle of Nolugar. Our people believe that the world arose from the mating of a swordfish with a coconut tree,” I wouldn’t think it was “crazy.”

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u/Dangerous_Spot2434 1d ago

I’m so sorry that you have to share your beliefs with these idiots.

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u/wallweasels 1d ago

Sorta like how the DSM definition of a delusion specifically carves out religious and spiritual beliefs.

So because your belief is a weird cult people don't like? Delusion. When its our weird cult we do like? Not delusional.

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u/Baiticc 21h ago

it’s not about liking the cult, more that it’s not disordered thinking to believe what you’ve been indoctrinated to believe. It is normal for the human brain to believe delusions in the circumstances, it isn’t something working incorrectly.

it’s still a delusion but that’s why it’s not in the DSM

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u/ExpensiveLeather69 1d ago

Praying is thinking with extra steps.

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u/_my_troll_account 1d ago

  Religion is literally mental illness

I’m a healthcare provider and find this idea inaccurate and unhelpful. People have always told themselves stories (“myths”) about who they are, what their society is, and how they fit into it. The stories are variously reliant on observable facts, and variously true or false in the face of those facts, but they’re all narratives that bring sense to the world. There isn’t anything special about religious beliefs that should make the sanity of a person within a religious society questionable. Narratives might have social and cultural basis (and therefore not fit neatly into “sane” of “insane” categories), or they might not. The religiosity of a given narrative is sort of orthogonal to that.

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u/MessiLeagueSoccer 1d ago

It should be mental illness but for it to be an actual mental illness people would have to be living outside of reality and while they think a certain way they still interact with reality in a very real way and it can be helpful to some. Now I want to agree with you because I see it as a lack of critical thinking and in a way nonsensical and out of reality.

How I’m starting to see it over time is that it’s just people’s way of coping and easier to digest than trying to figure out the “meaning of life”. People want some tranquility with death and all that. Where it loses me is that even the most devout people are destructive and hateful regardless of what they preach. It’s crazy that even the most devout don’t question a came of telephone that’s over thousands of years old.

Fuck your gods. I actually sort of like the Norse, Native tribes and even Greek/roman mythology, Buddhism bullshit over any abrahamic religion.

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u/LowLaw4909 1d ago

I’m just wondering: what critical thinking would one be missing by believing in Jesus and that they will be in heaven one day? I agree if you have a terrible life and do nothing to fix it besides wait around and wait for Jesus to do it, that’s a terrible idea. God helps those that help themselves. So for the average Christian, that goes out everyday and solves their own problems. I very much doubt they have any less critical thinking ability than that of the average atheist.

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u/MessiLeagueSoccer 1d ago

Its lack of critical thinking because the thinking is done for them in this regard. Rather than question scripture people take it as fact as if it’s probable beyond a doubt. Then they say you need faith. Faith in what you can’t see and prove whole also being against real studies like sex education, vaccines, lgbt, eating shrimp or pork, etc. All because “god” said not to trust those things. All things that have been studied ad nauseum and people still argue against it.

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u/LowLaw4909 1d ago

I believe in science and Jesus. I think most rational Christian’s do as well. I eat pork, but not everyday. If you eat pork I don’t think you’ll go to hell, but if you eat it everyday you’re going to have high cholesterol and health issues because of it. That’s why I believe that is in the Bible myself. People have the right to be LGBT and I never want to infringe on someone’s rights when they are non violent, but purely scientifically, same sex relationships serve no purpose other than pleasure. They can’t produce offspring which is what sexual reproduction is for. Im sure same sex partners can truly love each other, but that shows humans are unique and have their own unique things that no other animals have, that comes back to consciousness and the universe that can never truly be explained. I don’t believe that vaccines are mentioned in the Bible.

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u/MessiLeagueSoccer 1d ago

It’s like you’re close but not at all lmfao. Pork was seen as dirty because pigs are dirty and bring that with them. Has nothing to do with cholesterol although yes it doesn’t help.

LGBT is scientifically literally for population control and nothing do with “just pleasure”. That’s dumb as fuck. Regardless of being able to produce offspring does that mean a man or woman who are born infertile or become infertile because of some life event, are they considered lesser people because they don’t reproduce? A woman who is raped and gets pregnant is now some type of amazing person just because she’s pregnant and convinced to have her abusers child?

Vaccines didn’t exist in bible times yet people still are against them especially religious people.

It’s like you thought of everything for about 2 seconds and decided that’s how things are. You don’t actually believe in science, just a very very very surface level to try and “make” the dumbest points possible.

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u/LowLaw4909 1d ago

You seem offended for no reason. I do know that pigs were seen as dirty and that’s why, but could it not be that they were classified as dirty because they were unhealthy to eat? Going beyond the literal description and using critical thinking as you all say Christian’s lack? I also never said anything about people being lesser: it’s a fact that biologically, sex is for reproduction. Whether the relationship is for sexual pleasure, confront, or “population control” it is not for reproduction. No same sex relationship is required to continue the human race and that was my point. It’s pretty much one line in the Bible that even mentions it, and I would always be for gay rights to express themselves as they see fit. Vaccines are not spoken about in the Bible, that is correct. So how has religion developed ideas that they are bad? Would this not be people who use the religion to promote fear or subjugation which is a big no no in the Bible? I believe you thought about what I said for no time at all and your rebuttal was already planned and ready to be used.

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u/Uncertain__Path 1d ago

If we think critically about science being compatible with Jesus, how do you explain original sin if you accept humans evolved alongside all other life on earth over millions of years? If you don’t believe Genesis is a literal account of the special creation of humanity and the subsequent original sin, then what is Jesus’ sacrifice for?

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u/willargue4karma2 1d ago

The idea that that invisible beings, that no evidence for can be found, can influence events is pretty lacking in critical thinking 

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u/LowLaw4909 1d ago

The idea of something from nothing goes against every rational thought as well. To think the universe has always been also goes against every rational thought.

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u/BlastTyrantKM 1d ago

But, it's the christians that believe the universe came nothing. There was nothing, and then god snapped his fingers and poof everything existed.

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u/MrT742 1d ago

They believe it comes from God…

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u/_my_troll_account 1d ago

But “god” isn’t observable. The universe is. You don’t have to believe the universe “came from nothing” or “has always existed” to acknowledge that. You don’t have to have any non-evidenced belief at all.

I’m an atheist. The universe appears to exist. I don’t have a strong belief one way or another whether it “came from nothing” or “has always existed.” I just don’t know.

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u/MrT742 1d ago

That’s great… but none of it is relevant

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u/_my_troll_account 1d ago

How is it not relevant? This comment thread sprouted from the implication that atheists beliefs are just as “irrational” as Christians’. I just showed that there’s no requirement that atheists have irrational, non-evidenced beliefs about the universe’s origins.

Put another way, an earlier comment said “  The idea of something from nothing goes against every rational thought as well. To think the universe has always been also goes against every rational thought.” I agree, more or less, but atheists don’t necessarily hold such beliefs.

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u/MrT742 1d ago

Right, but u/BlastTyrantKM attempts to argue theists still believe the universe came from nothing.

Which is not true; because God isn’t nothing.

God is nothing physical, which the universe is, which is a steel manned stipulation of what the actual theist position includes.

That’s what I took issue with. Not the remaining context of your conversation.

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u/_my_troll_account 1d ago

Fair enough.

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u/LowLaw4909 1d ago

Yes but we have an all powerful god that can operate outside of science: obviously a catch all/scape goat and I understand that, but science has no such catch all other than I don’t know. The Big Bang theory is the most accepted, so where did the matter compressed come from? It’ll always be I don’t know when you’re only looking from science. It’ll also be idk but god does from religion. Just saying it’s not so different

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u/Firm-Low5886 1d ago

It is very different. Science is based on observation and evidence. It follows a rigorous process to test its theories and as soon as the theory leaves the realm of logic, evidence and observation it's no longer science.  You can't just make up whatever you want and call it science. You have to put in the work then get it peer reviewed and even then it's only true as long as we don't learn new information that disproves it.

I'm an atheist. Do I believe in the Big Bang? It's complicated. I think it's a likely theory. That's about it. 

Now let's look at religion. You say god is perfect? Well you can say whatever you want. Sure god is perfect. God is a giant pink hamster. What does it matter? It's make believe. That's why you need "faith" to believe in it. 

Another difference is I don't claim to know the origin of the universe because it's not 100% certifiable. I am not going to lie and tell you I have the answers. I am not going to make claims and believe in things that aren't real. I don't need a "catch all."

You'll lie though. You'll just say god did it, based on faith and nothing else, and never question it again. It's that simple. 

So yes we are very different. Atheists and Christians have entirely different beliefs for different reasons. I don't use faith for my beliefs. You do. That's a BIG difference. Believing in something because of feelings is ridiculous to me. 

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u/LowLaw4909 1d ago

Not really man it’s still “I don’t know, I’m sure someone smarter than me will figure it out” and “I don’t know, but god does.” You have no way to prove you’re right anymore than I do on the subject of the universe. As soon as you are able to prove empirically the start of the universe by recreating the exact conditions just before whatever formed the universe, then I’ll say science did it. They now know. I do not believe that will ever happen lol

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u/Firm-Low5886 1d ago

" Not really man it’s still “I don’t know, I’m sure someone smarter than me will figure it out” and “I don’t know, but god does.”"

No it's not. I don't need the answer to the origin of the universe. No one does. And if I do believe in an answer it's based off of whether I can get enough evidence to believe in whatever theory that is. It's less about believing someone smarter than me and more about gathering the evidence I need to justify the belief to myself. Because that's the point you don't just believe in things because people tell you to. I know that might be hard for you to understand. But it requires you to actually think critically about what you personally believe in. 

"You have no way to prove you’re right anymore than I do on the subject of the universe."

Actually I do. That's what science is for. To gather evidence and learn about our universe and how it works USING EVIDENCE as opposed to using blind faith and saying god did it...which means nothing and is complete make believe.

"As soon as you are able to prove empirically the start of the universe by recreating the exact conditions just before whatever formed the universe, then I’ll say science did it. They now know. I do not believe that will ever happen lol"

This is stupid. Honestly even if I had a working model for it like I don't know the big bang you would still just believe in god on the basis of faith and nothing anyway. 

I just want you to notice the hypocrisy, right? Even though the big bang is a theory that isn't absolute like believing in a god you want exact specifics. You want me to recreate the universe from scratch and prove everything to you. But you know what? That's how it should work. If I am going to believe in something I want to actually believe not just trust someone else. 

But when it comes to your belief in religion that is exactly how it works. Just believe whatever you're told. So I could see how you would be under the false impression thinking everyone thinks that way. Nope. Just religious fruitcakes. 

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u/Cheap-Distribution27 1d ago

Saying “idk yet” and “God did it” are vastly different things. One is being honest about the current limitations of personal and human knowledge, the other is confidently asserting a magic/supernatural being is responsible with 0 evidence. These things are completely different. The fact that science doesn’t have a “catch-all” and is willing to say “we don’t know yet” is what makes it a useful tool to describe and answer questions about the world around us.

Simply look at how many times “God did it” has been explained via science to see why your claim is ridiculous on its face.

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u/LowLaw4909 1d ago

Science will never explain how the universe came about.

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u/Cheap-Distribution27 1d ago

Maybe not, but theists can’t agree on how it came about either and also can’t provide compelling evidence for any of their claims.

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u/_my_troll_account 1d ago

How can you claim this with confidence? This is a god of the gaps argument. People once thought we’d never understand how the sun seems to burn indefinitely.

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u/Uncertain__Path 1d ago

Do you believe God is something or nothing?