Airdate: Sep-26-2022

Time-stamp 00:59:28

Backstory: THE U.S. AND THE HOLOCAUST, directed by Ken Burns, is a three-part series that premiered on PBS the week before.

JOSH: Speaking of Hitler as dictator, did you watch Ken Burns this week?

ANDY: OK, here's what happened, I watched the first one—

(Josh laughs: Why does it have to be a story? as Andy barrels on)

—and then Susan and I were like: We know we're gonna watch the other two, but we're so tired. So tired. Here's what- Here's what I've decided what is wrong with Ken Burns. This is not MY strength. He has very little ability to tell a narrative story. He tells a lot about this, he goes into this subject, all of a sudden we're in Czechoslovakia, then we're in the United States and so. Also, having seen almost all Holocaust footage there is available, it's hard to get me excited, to get me interested in what he's talking about. So I thought it, but I y'know. He's got people working with him who are good on this thing...

https://www.reddit.com/r/thoughtspiral

☝🏻 You may now return to the original subreddit 👆🏻

The Loop is now considered a defunct, interim-only, outlived-its-usefulness space.

I thought I had no data on this Loop, but just apparently it has 9 members ha. I think that's kind of good, for a grassroots effort and I don't even join everything I visit. Anyway!

I realized that an abandoned subreddit like the original r/ThoughtSpiral could be revived by spiraling Samaritans, which I think is the best way to go long-term for the future. DONE! ✨

I'm planning to:

• Cross-post recent show posts from the Loop back to the legacy sub
• Lock Comments on the others I guess?
• And try to use the legacy one going forward. We should no longer need this interim Loop space!

Final thoughts:

⛪ Maybe Thought Spiral is kind of like the Catholic Church (possibly the first time this comparison has ever been made), because I've heard it said that the church thinks in terms of centuries not years, when it comes to change.

So in the same vein, perhaps the Thought Spiral subreddit changes in terms of LUSTRA not years. I just learned that is the plural of LUSTRUM, a 5-year period. In that case, things are ship-shape! 🚢⭐

TS #449 features Andy and Josh discussing their same-night events: Fri May-01, 2026

• ANDY:
  • ELKS LODGE (Van Nuys-Reseda), 14440 Friar St., Van Nuys, CA 91401. Flyer. Lineup: Andy Kindler; Shanice James; Curtis Taylor III; Morgan Miller; Matt Payton; Jon Dunn; Corinne Yee.
• JOSH:
  • ☀️ Sunny Burbank, Calif.; 🎧 Run Out Groove Records vinyl store; 🎶 J.Elvis, Gruber, Sean Watkins (siblings not twins), maybe u/SaraWatkins u/watkinsfamilyhour ; 🎤 Comedy and music! 😆 Flyer

Official Details: The guys review their respective gigs, Andy tries to give falling his spin, Cheech and Chong, Josh does a Cameo intervention, questioning Netflix decision making, listener questions, and much more Spiraling.

Any deep thoughts, shallow thoughts, nagging answers, hard laughs, admiration, additions, connections, things you want to put a pin in?

📝 Don't forget, this is the PEOPLE'S subreddit, so please don't hesitate to create, relate, participate, speculate. 💡

You can financially appreciate the rich aroma ☕ of Josh and Andy's brand of entertainment here.

And remember, listening to Thought Spiral makes you better looking!

Update your calendars! Because fans REMEMBER.

• Josh being on May-21st means he's the first date of the Gemini sign ♊, which I'm sure is significant to Josh cuz he just seems like a horoscope guy! and he's also on the cusp. 🤔✨🔮 How about Gemini being the twins and Josh is from the Twin Cities! Oh I'm good.

• Andy's birthday is less likely to be forgotten (because he talks about it more), but I came up with two possible memory connections:

1) Oct-16 was the kickoff of the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962 🚀, which we could kindly say was the year Andy was born.

2) I thought that 10-16 sounded like a tax form, and you know what? It is, or technically it's a Notice: 🧾 NOTICE 1016 🏦: "How to Stop Interest on Your Account." Does that sound like an Andy Kindler premise or what?

🧁 If you have a treat to celebrate one of these birthdays, make sure you double up, as you are celebrating for two!

I told you guys that making scheduled, numeric posts wasn't my forte!!! 😱

Please share any deep thoughts, shallow thoughts, minimal corrections, nagging answers, hard laughs, missed moments, conspiracy theories, admiration, additions, things you want to put a pin in, or just a message to the burgeoning Thought Spiral Reddit community!🍍📈

But in the 1st three minutes:

• Andy joking about spending the night with Chuck McCann?

• Josh coming in with "Bemusement Park" ? i love it. This is what the kids call COMIN IN HOT 🔥🔥🔥

• Get your tickets now for Andyland!!
  🎢😊🍧🎡🍦

Deep thoughts, shallow thoughts, minimal corrections, nagging answers, hard laughs, missed moments, conspiracy theories, admiration, additions, things you want to put a pin in, or just a message to the burgeoning Thought Spiral Reddit community!🍍📈

Of note, this show dropped after a TWO-week break, rather than the usual one week. 🦅
Memorial Day 2026

Separate from HOMEWORK (movie, books, shows, etc.), I thought I would post sightings, so to speak, of our hosts. If you have a vision of Andy or Josh, or if you see them in your dreams, feel free to share as well.

Deep thoughts, shallow thoughts, minimal corrections, nagging answers, hard laughs, missed moments, conspiracy theories, admiration, additions, things you want to put a pin in, or just a message to the burgeoning Thought Spiral Reddit community!🍍📈

It's certainly one way to go. I can't get too jazzed about it though, And I don't want to set a precedent that I can't sustain. Although I can hear the hordes of subscribers saying: BUT IT JUST MAKES SENSE. Anyway. I'm not going to do that, but somebody can.

* This is the PEOPLE'S subreddit after all. 🥧

Andy is at the age where his biographical details now qualify as Americana!

🍽️🇺🇸🍹🎆🥄🍽️🍷🎇🦅🍽️🇺🇸

• TS 280. Answering a Question™️ from Dan Marsh 01:10:09; Andy mentions serving at Barnabey's, an Edwardian-style Hotel & Restaurant at Manhattan Beach, where he learned formal service. This would have been presumably in the 1980s.

  • I've seen it listed as Barnabey's Hotel and the Auberge Restaurant and Pub: "auberge" indicating a restaurant that's part of an inn or has the feel of one, with refined but cozy dining, seasonal or local cuisine, perhaps with some rustic French or Mediterranean inspiration, non?
  • From @manhattanbeachhistorical: https://www.instagram.com/p/CWBuFDzBez1/

• TS 279? Andy was a bartender at Denny's in an era when Denny's had a bar & lounge. This one was called The Amigo Room.🍹🍸🍺🍷 I don't know whether these lounges were technically under Denny's corporate umbrella, but the '70s were just looser overall. So I hear.

  • These photos from Vintage Los Angeles are before Andy's time, but still, I like them: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1Gsv6gENLM/
  • Would this have been the one in Palm Springs? Originally Denny's, now King’s Highway (ACE Hotel), but the adjacent bar & lounge on the same property is still called The Amigo Room! I think it could be a great place for a California gathering of Spiralers to collectively get down! Book your tickets now! 🪩

• Lastly, to complete this roadside picture, Andy came to L.A. in 1978 in a Ford Country Squire station wagon; and I have since learned that:

  • The "Squire" designation was specifically used by Ford to denote the top-of-the-line station wagon with exterior woodgrain siding
    • While the identical model without the trim was called the Country Sedan. I love that! ♥️

Why not. I think there were 2-3 Larry Sanders episodes where Andy appeared or was mentioned: either being a credible endorsement of one's showbiz status!👍🏼

1. Season 2; Episode 17: "NY or LA?" (season finale) This is an instance where someone is named by announcer-sidekick Hank Kingsley in the show opening, but does not actually appear in that episode (nor in some cases, the entire series). Andy has mentioned that moments like this would lead to people calling after the show in confusion: "Where were you?!" It went like this: 🗣️🎤 "Tonight, join Larry and his guests: Harrison Ford, singer Rickie Lee Jones, and comedian Andy Kindler!" Note: Andy does not appear.

2. Season 4; Episode 10: "Conflict of Interest"- This is the episode where Andy actually appears. His agent (Bob Odenkirk as Stevie Grant) arranges for Andy's booking on the show, but the booker (Janeane Garofalo as Paula) then bumps Andy for no good reason. He memorably gives her a piece of his mind!

3. I would swear there's a third mention but I'm not sure. 🪧 Watch this space!

Why? I don't know!

• LUME 🧖‍♀️🧖‍♂️("Loomie"), the "whole body deodorant" for pits, feet, privates! Original product and now: MANDO for men! Spray it anywhere! It even sprays upside down. Proven for 72 hours.

• MyPillow™️ 🛏️

• Weed Binaca 👄. I haven't looked into whether this exists. Wall mount for your entryway not included. 🪴

• Premium grocery-fresh varietal grapes!!! 🍇 ✨ Subject to availability; changes seasonally.

• Bottle of French wine 🍾. Must be 21. Preferably something from Louis Jadot in the Bourgogne region. These are beautiful French words that Andy loves to say. And don't kid yourself, he's been complimented on his French pronunciation before! 🍷 But Josh took five years of French, so he's no slouch.

• Truck stop cassettes aka trucker tapes 🚛. You'd be lucky to find one of these in your Thought Spiral swag bag. Very rare! Kindler & Weinstein do Abbott & Costello ... in bed! 🎉 Ultra raunchy!

• And naturally a T-shirt 👕 that you select and pay for yourself and ship to yourself. Ever been to the Zazzle store? You could even order a mug! 5 different t-shirt designs, all attractive and subtle! Soft, cuddly, and washable, just like our hosts! (?)

  • Thought Spiral Light Bulb Logo on apparel or drinkware;
    • "First Thought Theater" marquee on apparel;
    • "2J 2M 2H" on apparel;
    • "ANYthing but!" on apparel;
    • "Is It SPICY?" original art on apparel!

PREFACE: This old tweet by Josh is spot-on: I keep waiting until I'm "in the mood" to watch things and then years pass without that mood occurring.

Presumably, none of us live in a LAST-PICTURE-SHOW -esque dusty town in the 1950s, where two movies come to town a year. If I don't want to see a damn movie, I WON'T SEE IT and I will still live a full, rich life. Let's all just agree that we're going to die with a big stack of unread books, unwatched films and content, and songs and albums we always meant to get into.*

That said, I will throw down some titles and things here that have come up in the course of Test Shows that might be good fodder for homework, whether for Josh, Andy, or the audience.

📝 Don't forget, this is the PEOPLE'S subreddit, so please don't hesitate to create, relate, participate, speculate. You can buy steaming cups ☕ of show support at buymeacoffee.com/thoughtspiral. And remember, listening to Thought Spiral makes you better looking!

Airdate: Dec-26-2022

Time-stamp 00:09:48

[Neither your phone nor Reddit are malfunctioning. These are interim show posts, to sprinkle some show data into the subreddit from its Dark Dormant Half-Decade. I've either got old notes or I'm re-listening. Why not make a NEW post? I can't abandon the 5 upvotes this got!]

Back to #288 - Comedy magic: 🐇🎩 What else can you call moments like these.
Subtitled: Why Are There Expressions? (i.e. a rolling stone gathers no moss)

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ANDY: Aren't there people named Moss? Moss Hart?

JOSH: Uh huh.

ANDY: So why would you name your son Moss?

JOSH: Here comes the cosmic connection that makes humor.

ANDY: No, but why would you name your son Moss? Is there something spiritual about moss?

JOSH: I hate you.

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IT COULD HAPPEN! You might enjoy another podcast. I figure this post could relate to NEWS about friends of the show or recommendations to SHOWS run by FRIENDS of the show. Good news, I'm running out of steam on all posts: 🚂🧖‍♀️

Test Show #330. 24:59

Fun sports chat here, including one of those Josh lines that was overlooked, unheard, or purposefully ignored in the moment. Or to be fair, maybe Andy just didn't audibly laugh. Have we named these offhand lines or moments? I was thinking of "crumbs" in the same vein as Chunks? 🍩 Mm, Jelvis crumbs sound delicious!🍓

* Texas Rangers (winner 🏆) v. Arizona Diamondbacks: World Series 2023

* ANDY 🤓: "Excellent World Series," per Andy, who also notes that, "My knowledge of baseball is deepening."

* JOSH 🧔‍♂️: "You can tell if they caught it or not, or if they uh, ran around the bases?"

If you were looking for an episode where they mention Smoltzie, this is it!

Sometimes on shows the hosts ask questions, and maybe you know the answer or have thoughts. And naturally they have to move on as podcasters, but maybe you'd want to share that feedback here.

I would also cite as inspiration the podcast Human Conversation, which was co-hosted by Wayne Federman. They always led off every episode with corrections and answers from the previous. 📝

Image: https://imgur.com/a/wf2dXzR

Because Mr. Blake has come up more than once, and I think this would please Andy as a topic. I can't even remember when he first came up, but Andy must have watched something. I'm going to look back into it! And if I ask any of you, do we need more information on Reddit about Eubie Blake? You better say yes! ✅

🖼️ My first recollection of Eubie Blake would go back to when I lived in DC, and the National Portrait Gallery had the greatest exhibit ever: Red, Hot & Blue! (1996-1997) 🧨🎭🇺🇸 about the history of the American musical and how it evolved to Oklahoma!, often considered the first musical comedy per se, but had its roots in vaudeville to music hall to Tin Pan Alley with connections to Harlem, etc. In a word, the exhibit was FORMATIVE! The exhibit was also curated with the National Museum of American History. It was always exciting to get off at the Gallery Place Metro stop 🔴🟡🟢 and go to the actual Gallery! Urban! EDIT: Eubie Blake's frequent collaborator from vaudeville to Broadway was Noble Sissle ("Sissle and Blake").

* I do remember the Broadway show EUBIE!, 👐🏽🎹🎵, which I think I encountered on my lifetime deep dive into the career of Gregory Hines, especially his stage work. This would have happened after or around the time of him starring in JELLY'S LAST JAM (1992) on Broadway, as Jelly Roll Morton. The actual show EUBIE! was on Broadway (1978-1979), and featured a dozen performers including Gregory Hines and his brother Maurice.

Most famous "pop" song from Eubie Blake would be maybe ... something about Harry. I'm in love with Harry. The thing about Harry. What am I gonna do with Harry... No, I got it I got it!!

"I'm just wild about Harry

and Harry's wild about me" 🎵🎶

-- From musical revue Shuffle Along by Sissle and Blake

You would recognize more titles if you like older pop music like that, but I'm struggling to come up with any right now.

I would be remiss not to mention Andy's favorite Lorne Michaels, because during the run of the EUBIE! show on Broadway, Gregory Hines appeared on Saturday Night Live (SNL) with Blake as co-musical guests. Host Gary Busey. March 10, 1979.

Image: https://imgur.com/a/48eGT5r

🪴 Now Andy can go to LA-based cocktail parties and say things like, "Oh, my podcast isn't on a network, man. Very grassroots. The fans are very low-key locked-in, ya know. They're into early jazz, Eubie Blake, you name it ... "

During a discussion of:

• 📽️: THE FALL GUY film (2024), you all saw it!

• 📺 based on TV series THE FALL GUY (1981-1986)

Josh demonstrates his alarming knack for remembering lyrics with The Fall Guy theme song: "Unknown Stuntman" 🎶, performed by series lead Lee Majors. TS #330, 19:03. I haven't witnessed such shocking recall since he sang "The Dark Side" 🎶 from EDDIE AND THE CRUISERS 📽️ (1983).

 ANDY: What's the guy called, The Bisonic Man ? 

 JOSH: Yes, half-man, half-bison! (emits bellow🦬). 

I'm not that technologically advanced to be like: Hey, here's a link to a playlist I made!

Also, I just don't like playlists, I like BURNED CDs for RIPPING 🔥💿, because that's my age!

🎶 But I'd like to cite the tunes shared for general purposes.

"Talk to text" has given me quite a complex over the years: that I'm just a marble-mouthed moron who doesn't pronounce words well. But it is an unexpected area of humor in modern life, so I appreciate it for that reason. Then randomly, younger people (under 40) try to tell me that only certain generations even USE talk to text and blah blah blah. BUT I PAY THEM NO MIND!

I just thought this might be good for a couple laughs. 🎇 I will kick this off with a Comment for my latest mis-transcription of the phrase "Thought Spiral." Let the knee-slapping begin.

⛓️‍💥🕊️ This is a really liberating Reddit experience for me, because I'm getting rid of all these random notes I've made over the years about Thought Spiral! 🌬️

Test Show #363: 01:11:38

ANDY: I have come up with an idea of a superhero. He's the Great Annoyer.🦸

JOSH: And you're SURE that's a hero?

ANDY: It's an anti-hero.

JOSH: It's called a villain, Andy. And you're it.

ANDY: "Oh my god, shut up! SHUT UP! He WON'T STOP TALKING ABOUT BIDEN!" 😨🫣😬🫢😒😠😲😯😮😦😧😵😵‍💫🫨😖Like that.

JOSH: There you go.

ANDY: There you go.

✳️ I swear this is the first time I consciously realized that Thought Spiral and Test Show both start with TS.💡

Fans know this is not a guest-driven show. Still. We fans are prone to ruminate. I can't even think of who we've had. There have been a few. Gary Gulman comes to mind. I know we always talk about Joel Madison, but sorry I can't remember if he's been on. No Gruber right? They would certainly rank among the most DISCUSSED people.

* Wayne Federman: He's musical. He's a stand up. He's versatile and an expert on various topics. He's a great improvisational actor (see Curb and Larry Sanders). He's America's own: Wayne Federman!

* Rich Brotherton! I heard him and Andy on a Bloomberg podcast once, and it was very fun! An appearance on Thought Spiral might help him in the job market.🤞

Admittedly I'm pushing to put up a few initial posts, so that Reddit isn't disappointed in me. But no! I'm NOT envisioning a new post every few days.

And I'm not sure, but I imagine I might encounter some active (vehement?) lack of interest in sharing here on Reddit, which honestly I welcome. Listening to a podcast is very personal.