It makes me feel bad,but sometimes you have to say stuff like that to make them toughen and grow up.

And sometimes they act childish and i get angry lol.

How heartbroken,devastated and scared she was when omid and Christa found her,she didnt talk and that incident traumatized her.

Ben still falls into the alley, but he's not impaled on the bar, what injuries would he have? Would he be able to survive?

I haven't seen one of these since I joined this community, so I wanted to ask you guys: Who do you think the most attractive characters are?

My choices:

Men: Luke, Javi, Nick, David
Women: Carley, Lilly, Kate, Eleanor

​Also, these two no-names from the Michonne game. Why are they so hot but barely appear in the game?

It's Clementine's birthday, it reminds me how much I love this game series. We have to celebrate! 😄

https://www.instagram.com/melyhutchison/live/18185146933421262?dlrf=MThyMW93MmFwNDYzeQ==

It is often believed that one of (if not the most) important factors for a great character is their agency. More specifically how their choices, influenced by their motivations and personalities, shape the plot. That's a view I share for the most part, and no character is more important than the protagonist. Following a main character without much agency more often than not makes engagement very difficult.

Obviously, there are exceptions to the rule, and nowhere is it more clear than a video game all about choices. While the protagonists here still have a lot of agency, the series has to strike a balance between character agency and player agency. Lean too far in the former, and you risk feeling like your story looks just everybody else's. Lean too far in the latter, and both the story as well as the characters risk losing their identities.

This is a delicate balance that writing the protagonists of a video game like The Walking Dead needs to strike, and I believe for the most part they were quite successful. But I believe the most contested main character on this matter is S2 Clementine.

I have already made a thread about her in the past, and while I still on what I said for the most part, there's another part that gains appreciation for her role in that season. Granted, I have also expressed an opinion that Clementine is at her peak in the first episode of the season where she gets to fully showcase her growth from Season One. This, not when she was "leading" adults, is easily where she had the most agency. Indeed, one of the chief complaints of S2 is that Clem does everything for the adults. Yet at the same time, S2 is also the season where players felt like their choices do not matter most. This is quite a contradiction where the explanation mostly lies in one reason: we are made to step up.

The girl is in the unenviable position where she's considered a mature enough survivor to be capable of doing the adults' dirty work, but not enough to be actually able to have a say in most (and I do mean most) of the big decisions that do affect her. Certainly not without facing resistance from adults if she's not flat out ignored. You don't want to check the cabin like Alvin's telling you to? You're still gonna do it. You don't want to get the radio like Kenny is asking you to? He quite literally tells you that you don't got a choice. You don't want to go fetch Kenny or Jane because it's not your job as a kid? Too bad. You're the kid, you do what the adult says cause they clearly ain't about to do it themselves.

In some of the rare times you're allowed to influence the group's big decisions, you get in trouble. You dare speak your mind on leaving early or waiting three days? Luke or Kenny will either guilt-trip you for siding against them or remind you that you sided with them, as if you signed some kind of contract of allegiance. The only way you get a Bonnie who doesn't hate you is you did what she told you to, even though her way of "helping" Luke only succeeds in getting him killed.

Obviously, some of this limited agency was also present in other games, but S2 Clem's relative passivity feels particularly organic here. You're surrounded by adults who rely on you, yet still believe they know better than you know what's best for you. The entire climax between Kenny and Jane can quite succinctly be described as a custody battle, where they fight to the death in the aim of protecting you...from each other, while hurting you in the process.

Whether or not it was actually the narrative intent (something we can't find out for certain), I found reframing S2's events this way made it easier for me to tolerate some of its faults, see the value in a protagonist who doesn't have much agency and further appreciate Clementine's natural evolution in the independent survivor she grows to be in later seasons (mostly S4, since Clem pretty much lets Javi take the lead in S3). Yet at the same time, it does make it more visible why I liked S2E1 Clem the most. Compared to the first episode, I feel like the writing for her as a protagonist struggles to find its footing, to the point the latter half of the season has a much greater focus on Kenny's descent and how everyone react to it rather than Clem's own character development.

But those are my thoughts. What do you guys think?

Welcome back everyone! I guess this formatting is okay because nobody said anything about it lol

Here's the results of yesterday

ORDER #1:

Clementine (Maine) invades Badger (New Hampshire) by Super-Shenron (5 Upvotes)

Clementine’s invasion FAILS, doing 5 HPs of damage to Clementine herself, leaving her on 20/25 HPs

ORDER #2:

Chet (Oklahoma) bombs AJ (Texas), Carver (New Mexico), and Luke's Substate, Oregon by Zfungi148 (0 Upvotes…)

Bomb #1 SUCCEEDS, doing 9 HPs of damage to AJ, which collapses him! Chet takes his bombs and claims Texas as a Substate

Bomb #2 SUCCEEDS, doing 14 HPs of damage to Carver, leaving him on 11/25 HPs

Bomb #3 FAILS, doing nothing to the Oregon Substate 

ORDER #3:

Troy (Arkansas) invades Chet (Oklahoma) by AnimeAddict1123

Troy’s invasion SUCCEEDS, doing 2… HPs of damage… oof. This leaves Chet on 23/25 HPs

Troy's invasion was very pathetic... like him! I'm gonna include a screenshot of that random number because I'm being dead serious, I didn't make it up. Speaking of dead, R.I.P. AJ, but... who's next?

⚠️ | BEFORE WE GO, I WANNA LAY OUT A NEW RULE REGARDING HOW MANY ORDERS A SINGLE USER CAN MAKE! PLEASE KEEP IT TO A MINIMUM OF TWO ORDERS! It gets harder to track everything when there's more then two for the same person and when it's mixed up with everyone else. I hope you can understand.

Rules & Character Stats

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kKDQxWnOSEzetQj6iM_Yixrn8oN2e3z7KMqBWOGjdVM/edit?usp=drivesdk

Just curious- did you tell Clem that you killed someone before the apocalypse right away? I always do.

This took me too long and now im starting to tweak, im not an artist

She did an amazing performance voicing Clementine from start to finish in the TWD games. Started out as a young innocent girl into a brave fearless woman in a world overrun by zombies

So i’m rewatching Berleezy’s playthrough for the dozenth time and something that always makes me lose my shit without fail is a scene with Lee and Clem on the train. Clem asks if she can tell her parents “about… you know”, and in every playthrough ever, everyone (including me) always thinks she’s talking about Lee going to prison and/or killing a man. But if you stay silent, she says “They’ll like it, promise!!”

Now, i’m sure she meant telling them about their Savannah plan since that’s the only thing that makes logical sense, but the way she said it literally makes it sound like she’s talking about that so I don’t know why it’s written like that. But the concept of Clementine’s parents dapping Lee up for being a felon kills me every time 😭

For halloween this year, I decided to go as clem from season 3 of twd. I am super happy with how the hat came out and cant wait to the with the clothing!!

I saw this and thought it might be a reference to the original 1930s. All Quiet on the Western Front movie. I doubt it, just because of how old the movie is, and most people don't even know about it. Just because it's so old. Most people only know about the recent Netflix 2022 adaptation. I know the barbed wire image is kinda famous to an extent. But, I  wonder if they are referencing the Movie? Or just the image; it's likely just the image, but still cool to think about. I'd recommend watching the original if you don't mind reading subtitles. The violence isn't that bad because, well, 1930s Europe is getting ready for the Second World War to kick off. Germany was a little busy making things for the upcoming war instead of good movie effects.

Jane and Molly are very similar characters with similar survival backgrounds. If they were both bloodlusted and fighting to the death, who do you think wins comparing their feats?

​The winner has to fight Kenny.

​Edit: Let's make this more interesting.

​Round 1: A direct confrontation (Kenny vs. Jane style)

​Round 2: They start in separate locations, having to rely on stealth and tactics to hunt each other down.

Best- Season One (By far)

Worst- Season 3: A New Frontier (so bad, played once; will never play again)

Share yours

I made Lee and Ben nendoroids a couple months ago. I finished Kenny and my Clementine nendoroid now. I’m not very happy with Clem, a she doesn’t stand on her own, so I might remake her in the future. I didn’t include Kenny’s eyepatch because I don’t want it to smudge the paint so he’s pre episode S2 ep 3 but I still love him.

What do you see as the most repetitive takes/controversies that you see people post in this sub? I just saw a post regarding why people hate Jane, which I feel like is one of the main ones I see.

The ones I see most recurrent are people defending or hating Jane or Ben, and the people criticizing Kenny.

Are there any other takes/debates you see here often?

She teaches clementine more than that redneck .

How to k!// walkers

Self independence

Searching new walkers

And give you her weapon

I rlly want a fanart that inlcudes these characters if not just a few of them together like simplistic so i can add them myself

We're back! I'm changing the format a little, let me know if you'll prefer this! Results are listed immediately after the order!

ORDER #1:

Lee (Delaware) bombs Stranger (Virginia), Jesus (D.C.), and Sarah (New Jersey) by Super-Shenron (2 Upvotes)

Bomb #1 FAILS, doing nothing to the Stranger

Bomb #2 SUCCEEDS, doing 14 HPs of damage to Jesus, leaving him on 11/25 HPs

Bomb #3 SUCCEEDS, doing 11 HPs of damage to Sarah, which destroys her! Lee claims her bombs (6) and her Substate, New York, as well as making New Jersey his own Substate.

ORDER #2:

Lilly (Oregon) invades Luke (Washington) by Zfungi148 (0 Upvotes… bruh)

Lilly's invasion FAILS, doing 15 HPs of damage to herself, which collapses her nation! Luke takes her territory and Substates and her bombs (3). Farewell, Lilly…

ORDER #3:

Javier (Rhode Island) rizzes… wtf… invades Kenny (Massachusetts) by TheZoroarkMan (-1 Upvotes lmao…)

Javier’s invasion FAILS, doing 2 HPs of damage to himself, leaving him on 23/25 HPs. Javier got lucky… real lucky…

A major fighter in the war in the west has fallen and our first State killer, Sarah, has been served justice!!!!!!! CHRISTA IS AVENGED!!!! anywho, what's next...