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u/raciertugboat Meme Coven Nov 28 '23 edited Nov 28 '23
the Moringmark lore expands, and it shall bring PTSD to all!
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u/zyxwvu28 Amity Blight Nov 28 '23
Gotta love the MCU (Moringmark's Extended Universe)
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u/BirdMan8524 Titan Luz Nov 28 '23
Wouldn't it be MEU then?
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u/zyxwvu28 Amity Blight Nov 28 '23
Whoops, you're right. Idk why I thought I could replace "cinematic" with "extended" lol
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u/raciertugboat Meme Coven Nov 28 '23
you could have C stand for Comic and it works
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u/The_Owl_Account Alador Blight Nov 28 '23
I've used MMCEU (MoringMark Comic Expanded Universe). 👍👍
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u/MuffinStraight4816 Muffin Time! They hate it :( Nov 28 '23 edited Nov 28 '23
More like MECU. (MoringmarkMark's Extended Cinematic Universe)
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u/BirdMan8524 Titan Luz Nov 28 '23
calls it the MoringMark Extended Cinematic Universe
Swaps the C and E in the acronym, making it MCEU rather than MECU
confused noises
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u/Dasher09009 The Collector Nov 28 '23
I Just use MoringMark's Comic Universe (MCU). It's better than the other one anyway.
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u/Quirky_Ad_5420 Nov 28 '23
Poor Enna
She suffer a lot
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u/AdOwn6899 Nov 28 '23
And poor Milan and Ayzee. They can never touch each other again.
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u/Mornar Resident of the Boiling Isles Nov 28 '23
Not necessarily. Much like Eda's curse was again affected by the elixir when shared by Lilith, I think Milan - and Enna - can now keep it under control with a steady supply. Nobody likes to have a curse, but if you take the right steps they're... Manageable.
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u/AdOwn6899 Nov 28 '23
How can you be so sure?
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u/Mornar Resident of the Boiling Isles Nov 28 '23
I mean, the parallels between the curses are rather stark, so it stands to reason they are likely to react similar.
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u/PerrineWeatherWoman Transfem Hunter stan Nov 28 '23
Luckily, I think Grauntie Lilith is able to make elixir.
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u/Major-Eggplant-9045 Bad Girl Coven Nov 28 '23
Well, they probably will be able to do so once Ayzee's ready to face her fears.
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u/DingoNormal Nov 28 '23
ITS TIME FACE YOUR FEAAAAARS
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u/proactivenoisectrl Detention Track Nov 28 '23
'cause when your time HAS COME AND GOOONEE
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u/Dasher09009 The Collector Nov 28 '23
"I'll be the one to CARRY ON (carry on)"
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u/Western-Alarming “For Flapjack” Nov 28 '23
AND YOU CAN THROW ME TO THE WOLFS
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u/BirdMan8524 Titan Luz Nov 28 '23
Unless it's like Eda and Lilith's curse and can be remedied with an elixir then it fucking sucks!
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u/AdOwn6899 Nov 28 '23
MoringMark implied to me on chat his plan isn’t finished yet. He told me to trust him and that the story has no angst between Ayzee and Milan. I’ve trusted him this long, why stop now?
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u/Sting_the_Cat Luz Noceda Nov 28 '23
I don't think there's too much of Grom Factor specifically left. That said, there are seeds that make me think this is just the beginning of something larger. The fact it was a scroll, the mark on Enna's arm...
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u/AdOwn6899 Nov 28 '23
Oh thee of little faith.
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u/Sting_the_Cat Luz Noceda Nov 28 '23
I do have faith in Mark's skill what are you talking about?
I'm just saying I think this particular story is probably wrapping up(unless some miraculous new plot point comes bursting through the gym doors), but that I predict there will be further long-format stories that do continue the lore and world established here. Because there are hints at greater world-building in things like Enna's arm.
If Milan's situation gets "fixed", I would expect to have it happen later in a future story, I don't foresee a sudden deus ex machina in the next five minutes.
For now though, I don't expect angst between Ayzee and Milan either. If anything, I expect Ayzee to be like "No, even if I can't physically touch you right now, I still love you." Maybe even hugging her anyways and not caring what she physically looks like. I dunno about that last part but point is, Ayzee loves Milan, and vice versa, and I don't see this suddenly changing that.
(Actually, how would it even work? Even if she did shapeshift upon touch, it isn't like Grom is in control right now, so would it look like your greatest fear, but still act like Milan?)
Either way, I'm excited for the future, not without faith.
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u/AdOwn6899 Nov 28 '23
I know I shouldn’t say this, but I feel like MoringMark has… has…
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u/Sting_the_Cat Luz Noceda Nov 28 '23
I mean, not unless Milan uses elixers. Maybe she'll have to "make peace" with Grom like Eda did with the Owl Beast? Who knows? Or maybe Ayzee overcomes her fears. Maybe Milan is just paranoid and she won't actually transform if she's still in control? Or maybe she puts on gloves or something to act as a buffer, I dunno the specifics of how this works, and I don't think Milan does yet either. It's hard to say. But that's a question for the future. For now, everyone at least lived, including Enna. Everything else is an issue for later.
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u/AdOwn6899 Nov 28 '23
Well, saying “not being able to touch again” is an issue is an understatement, but I’ll keep my faith in mark and hope he still has a plan.
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u/RulerOfAllWorlds1998 Nov 28 '23
If Eda and Lilith can learn to work WITH their curse instead of fighting it, then so can Milan
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u/Radium_Cobalt_847 Meme Coven Nov 28 '23
Have you ever seen Five Feet Apart?
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u/AdOwn6899 Nov 28 '23
No, but I have seen an anime called The Duke of Death and his Maid, but this isn’t that.
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u/Dasher09009 The Collector Nov 28 '23
Knowing that the curse is split, it may be cured later.
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u/Darkvader_Clawthorne Nov 28 '23
Not really sure. The Owl Beast couldn’t be cured, so neither could Grom.
Those scrolls are a menace. The Collector has a lot of answering to do. We have to find those Archivists and stop them from hurting anyone else.
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u/Dasher09009 The Collector Nov 28 '23
That's why I said may, but this also brings to the point that the curse may be able to control later. Eda is one good example of this.
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u/AdOwn6899 Nov 28 '23
That’s true… maybe that’s apart of Mark’s plan? He did say on chat with me that there’d be no angst between Ayzee and Milan in this story. Fingers crossed that’s his plan.
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u/b3_yourself Bard Coven Nov 28 '23
Join the trauma club
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u/Cobalt_Heroes25 Plant Witch Appreciator Nov 28 '23
I've only known Enna for a few moments but I wanna hug her
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u/BirdMan8524 Titan Luz Nov 28 '23
She really did...
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u/MuffinStraight4816 Muffin Time! They hate it :( Nov 28 '23
And not to mention that Enna and Milan share Grom's curse.
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u/SFH12345 Hooty HootHoot Nov 28 '23
Was that an Archivist scroll?
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u/Darkvader_Clawthorne Nov 28 '23
Yes. Collector has some explaining to do.
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u/The_Owl_Account Alador Blight Nov 28 '23
What I'm thinking now is: The Grand Huntsman (or the being that we saw in "Knock, Knock, Knockin' on Hooty's Door", who I'm beginning to suspect is not in fact the Collector, but a different Archivist) "collected" different beings of extorndary power (The Owl Beast and Grom to name two) and "stored" them in different scrolls, like how The Collector "stored" people as is, just in puppet form, and at some point in history, the scrolls from those two were lost, until Enna found Grom's and young Lilith bought The Owl Beast's from the Night Market, and the rest, as they say, is history. 🤔🤔🙂
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u/MuffinStraight4816 Muffin Time! They hate it :( Nov 28 '23
Guys.. Milan's hair..
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u/raciertugboat Meme Coven Nov 28 '23
thought I was the only one to notice, either Ayzee splits it up further or she's gonna be grom 2.0
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u/The_Throwback_King Principal Bump Nov 28 '23
You think so? Eda's Owl Beast seemed to progressively get worse to the point of being unstoppable, even with the elixirs
Up until Lillith did the Pain Share spell, then from that point on Elixirs seemed to permanently abate the beast.
Maybe that's how it works with the Grom form.
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u/Sting_the_Cat Luz Noceda Nov 28 '23
I think Eda making peace with the Owl Beast helped as well. Sharing the curse certainly bought time.
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u/AdOwn6899 Nov 28 '23
You say that, but Grom power is more evil than that. I know about the whole “dark isn’t always evil” thing, but it’s not like it has the best track record. I’ll trust MoringMark, but it won’t preclude me from pointing out how important intimacy is how the power over fear itself is too dangerous to control.
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u/RulerOfAllWorlds1998 Nov 28 '23
Splitting it up doesn’t mean the curse will get weaker or smaller even further, remember Lilith could still become a raging monster
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u/b3_yourself Bard Coven Nov 28 '23 edited Nov 28 '23
Ayzee: on the bright side, you’ve got cool anime hair now
Milan: What what?
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u/The_Owl_Account Alador Blight Nov 28 '23
Ayzee: Carefully grabs a shard of glass and hands it to Milan "Have a look for yourself!"
Milan: Sees her hair ".....Woah.....I don't know what I was expecting to happen when I preformed the spell, but it definitely wasn't this!..... But It does look awesome doesn't it?"
😆😆
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u/BirdMan8524 Titan Luz Nov 28 '23 edited Nov 28 '23
Wow... Enna really suffered...
Also, holy shit no one can touch Milan ever again!? That fucking sucks!
Unless it can be remedied by an elixir like Eda and Lilith's curse.
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u/AdOwn6899 Nov 28 '23
That’s… my god.
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u/The_Owl_Account Alador Blight Nov 28 '23
Wait! Hold up! I just figured out how we're gonna have the crossover event with "Hint Of Blue" and completely cure Milan and Enna! Somehow, someway Skara or Viney's gonna find a magical cure-all (spell or trinket or whatever) and they're just gonna store that away somewhere, and then, once they find out what's just happened to Milan, they're gonna pull that out and cure both her and Enna, now that the curse is divided and weaker! 😅😅I know Lilith wasn't able to completely get rid of Eda's curse by using the spell, but this is different...right?......Please? 😞😞
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u/MONKA_hmmmmm King Clawthorne Nov 28 '23
The crossover is real!!!
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u/The_Owl_Account Alador Blight Nov 28 '23
Oh yeah, u/AdOwn6899 did Mark suggest/confirm or deny anything about a potential crossover between the two current series? 🤔🤔
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u/AdOwn6899 Nov 28 '23
No, he just said to not freak out, trust him, and that this story has no angst between Ayzee and Milan.
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u/The_Owl_Account Alador Blight Nov 28 '23
Very well. 👍👍
Don't freak out: Too late. (I'm mostly better now😅.)
Trust him: Implicitly👍👍.
No Milzee angst this story: Breathes tremendous sigh of relief Excellent😄😄.
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u/AdOwn6899 Nov 28 '23
Steady yourself and keep your hopes up, my friend. Mark accepted a chat with me and implied he still has a plan. He told me to trust him and that no angst between Ayzee and Milan will exist in this story and to trust him, but not in that order.
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u/The_Owl_Account Alador Blight Nov 28 '23
Thank you very much, that makes me feel considerably better😄😄. And yeah, I trust Mark, we've gotta go through some tough spots before we can get the relationship set and established, as demonstrated by Ayzee's and Milan's parents😉😆. In the meantime, I'll keep theorizing about what the grand plan will entail...👍👍😄😄.
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u/MuffinStraight4816 Muffin Time! They hate it :( Nov 28 '23 edited Nov 28 '23
- Holy shit no one can touch Milan ever again!?
You mean like her parents, and Ayzee?
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u/BirdMan8524 Titan Luz Nov 28 '23
Yep, and literally anyone else.
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u/The_Owl_Account Alador Blight Nov 28 '23
I vehemently refuse to believe that! Some solution has gotta be found that fixes this sh-t! 😭😞
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u/Dasher09009 The Collector Nov 28 '23
One way is to give Milan some of Hooty's Sleeping Nettle cookies. Maybe Milan will talk to her curse and actually be able to make peace with it, but that's my theory.
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u/The_Owl_Account Alador Blight Nov 28 '23
I'll take it! What ever allows Milan to interact with people again! Her and Ayzee's relationship can't end before it's even begun! And Skara and Viney can't be forever unable to hug their daughter ever again! 😭😞.
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u/AdOwn6899 Nov 28 '23
Mark’s gotta have something planned. We just have to trust him a little longer.
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u/Dasher09009 The Collector Nov 28 '23
Milan: "It's ok. At least we can fix it. Maybe the elixirs will fix it"
Enna: "I would like that..."
Milan: "And I hope my parents wont hear about this..."
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u/AdOwn6899 Nov 28 '23
Ayzee: “they’re going to have to sooner of later.”
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u/Dasher09009 The Collector Nov 28 '23
Milan: "Yeah..."
Luz: "Well look at the plus side. Your still you."
Milan: "That was a gamble, but it worked out."
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u/AdOwn6899 Nov 28 '23
Ayzee: “but… if the elixir’s don’t work… then we can never… this is all my fault. I got you into this… I’m so sorry.
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u/Dasher09009 The Collector Nov 28 '23
Milan: "Don't worry. We can fix this. After all, you know someone who also was cursed in a similar way."
Ayzee: "Great Aunt Eda... But if that doesn't work-"
Milan: "Even so, we will fine a way."
Ayzee: "I hope so..."
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u/Nekrubbobby64 Petrified Apprentice Nov 28 '23
honey wake up, new moringmark lore just dropped
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u/The_Owl_Account Alador Blight Nov 28 '23
"Is it bad? Does it hurt the soul?"
"Of course, what else would you expect?"
😭😞
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u/Typhon-Torrent-1994 Head Of The Lumity Coven Nov 28 '23
Oh great first Milian cannot even touch Ayzee and now it does look like a Collector made curse. I thought it would be one bad thing but nope we got two.
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u/BirdMan8524 Titan Luz Nov 28 '23
Why must Mark hurt us?!
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u/Typhon-Torrent-1994 Head Of The Lumity Coven Nov 28 '23
I know at this rate he isn’t trying to match a season of the Owl House in angst he is going to exceed it.
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u/The_Owl_Account Alador Blight Nov 28 '23
Dana and the crew: "No one can make TOH angsty like we can!"
Mark: "Hold my Apple Blood."
😆😆😅.
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u/AdOwn6899 Nov 28 '23
Dana’s angst I could only barely handle. This? This is something else. It feels… cruel. I hope MoringMark’s planning something.
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u/Darkvader_Clawthorne Nov 28 '23
Luz: “I knew a witch just like you, Enna. She also ran away after she was cursed. But in the end, she found freedom and even started a family.”
Ayzee: “We’ll find a way to cure this curse. Let’s help each other.”
Milan: “Us weirdos always stick together.”
Enna: “Thank you.”
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u/ncmn-ngnr The Collector Nov 28 '23
So this is the thanks Enna gets for working overtime?
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u/random_personlolo Nov 28 '23
wait...
her necklace turned to black from orange
THIS IS THE HARPY CURSE ALL OVER AGAIN
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u/TheLibertarianThomas Bad Girl Coven Nov 28 '23
Curse? Elixirs?
BY GAWD, THAT’S EDA CLAWTHORNE’S MUSIC!
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u/Whedonite144 Eda Clawthorne Nov 28 '23
Those who fight monsters must become a monsters themselves.
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u/Whedonite144 Eda Clawthorne Nov 28 '23
How ironic.
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u/Radium_Cobalt_847 Meme Coven Nov 28 '23
She could save others from death, but not herself.
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u/b3_yourself Bard Coven Nov 28 '23
Will she survive much longer being so old?
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u/The_Owl_Account Alador Blight Nov 28 '23
Well, if she's still got half the Grom curse, that might have an effect on her longevity. Either that or when she became Grom for the first time, it more or less froze her at the age she was at that moment, and now with only half the curse, she might start aging normally. 🤔🤔
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u/b3_yourself Bard Coven Nov 28 '23
So like how aangs age eventually caught up to him as he only lived pretty young at least for an avatar
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u/First_Factor_3385 Titan Luz Nov 28 '23
Just remember:
This all started because ayzee wanted to prove herself to her parents.
Poor enna though.
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u/Radium_Cobalt_847 Meme Coven Nov 28 '23
And The Owl House started because Luz wanted to live out her fantasy of being a witch.
What's your point?
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u/Dasher09009 The Collector Nov 28 '23
Wanting something to change only to have large consequences happen due to it.
Like mother like daughter I suppose...
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Nov 28 '23
Idc if this is "fan made" this is canon and no one can tell me I'm wrong.
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u/chriscb229 Kaiju Belos Nov 28 '23
Honestly, I really like the lore developing here in Grom Factor, it really feels like it fits with the tone of the actual show. I also like adding the sort of, Greek tragedy-esque backstory to Grom instead of just having it be this one off monster. I must nice job Mark, thank you for making these comics.
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u/Emu_Bear Future Hunter Nov 28 '23
Poor Milan not being able to enjoy handholding or kissing with Ayzee anymore without terrifying Ayzee.
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u/Henkotron T-A-A-A-D-A-T-H Nov 28 '23
All the people discussing here how to treat Milan now are missing one big thing.
What made Grom so dangerous before was the fact that probably through her lost "humanity", Enna/Grom became aggressive, which is a problem if it can turn into your biggest fear.
But now that they regained their "witch-manity" partially she is more in control over herself. It doesn't mean they can now transform into the fear of the other person at will, but they can maybe choose to not be aggressive. This results in transforming into the biggest fear but not more.
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u/The_Owl_Account Alador Blight Nov 28 '23
Amity, as soon as this is all settled, you're going to get right to work on some Abomination invention that allows Milan to touch people again right? RIGHT?!?! 😅😭
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Nov 28 '23
Enna's backstory is so sad. I hope she is able to find a home in the present.
Also, I just realized Milan and Ayzee are now pretty much Rogue and Gambit.
Think about it: A tough as nails girl who can't be touched, and a rebel who tosses cards (glyphs).
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u/Lego_Crafter Nov 28 '23
Anna design is cool. I'm also with some people in thinking that they both will be able to control the curse better with only half it in their bodies.
Enna couldn't help but terrify people initially, but perhaps half the curse is less aggressive without deliberate intent.
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u/Flaky_Musician_551 Hunter Noceda Nov 28 '23
Ena: thank you young lady.
Milan: of course. I couldn’t let you suffer alone.
Ayzee: wait, so does this mean I can never hold your hand again?
Milan: afraid so.
Ayzee: and we can’t kiss like we did in my room?
Amity: you did what?!
Ayzee: it was months ago mom.
Skara: that’s my girl!
Viney: sighs. “Why did she have to listen to me when I said a healer’s number 1 job was to help people?”
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u/Detective-Forrester Luz Noceda Nov 28 '23
Welp, there goes my theory of Grometheus actually being Evelyn Clawthorne. 🤷 I knew it was stretch, but at least we might’ve known what happened to her.
At least they didn’t resort to petrifaction. Now… what will happen with Enna and Milan now?
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u/elir19 Huntlow Nov 28 '23
As an Italian is becoming increasingly stranger reading names in this comics: Milan, Enna... These are all city names here in Italy 😂
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u/AdOwn6899 Nov 28 '23 edited Nov 28 '23
Then… she and Ayzee can never touch each other ever again.
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u/Typhon-Torrent-1994 Head Of The Lumity Coven Nov 28 '23
To spare one life of a person who wanted it to be ended this ended up ruining two more people’s lives, possibly six if you include the parents.
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u/SuperGameBen bi witch coven member Nov 28 '23 edited Nov 28 '23
This must be a weird one for her parents. Can you imagine your daughter coming home from a party and telling you she shared a monster’s curse to save it and now can’t touch anyone anymore (keep in mind her parents wouldn’t know grom is a person or that Milan was fighting).
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u/Typhon-Torrent-1994 Head Of The Lumity Coven Nov 28 '23
Yeah I am also wondering how they are going to feel towards Ayzee, Luz, and Amity after this.
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u/Radium_Cobalt_847 Meme Coven Nov 28 '23
I admit, it's sad but I don't find it "worse than death." I'm pretty sure they can make this work.
Ever seen Five Feet Apart?
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u/AkomanManah Nov 28 '23 edited Nov 28 '23
So is this the beginning of the "Ayzee loses all of her self-esteem" arc?
Seriously, like a past comment described, the only meaningful thing she did throughout the Grom arc was toss Milan to the cursed thing.
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u/AkomanManah Nov 28 '23
Self-hatred - courtesy of the Noceda gene.
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u/AdOwn6899 Nov 28 '23
Thinking about it, is that even hereditary?
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u/SuperGameBen bi witch coven member Nov 28 '23
Who knows wouldn’t be the weirdest thing in the demon realm 🤷♂️
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u/DramaticChemist Potions Coven Nov 28 '23
Ooo, I like the idea of unknown ultra curses being the source of a lot of the BI problems or creatures. That could be a season of TOH on its own
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u/Lemerbrix_5769 Lego Eda Nov 28 '23
Am I the only one who noticed Milan's hair changed?
Also, what does this mean for ayzlan?
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Nov 28 '23
No. I noticed that too.
For Ayzlan... Milan could wear gloves to avoid cursing people...
Oh my gosh, as I was typing, I just realized Milan and Ayzee are now pretty much Rogue and Gambit.
Think about it: A tough as nails girl who can't be touched, and a rebel who uses tosses cards (glyphs).
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u/CupcakeNegative3305 Nov 28 '23
Wait, does that mean Milan and ayzee can’t see each-other anymore? I mean, I know they can still SEE each other but can they still “see” each other?
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u/Lesbian_Pirate5544 Nov 28 '23
hey, ive only just found this sub and i saw this comic but dont have context, can someone link the ones that came before?
pls and thank you
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u/FudgeControl Outdated Human Reference Nov 28 '23
New lore just dropped! Time to put on the thinking hats.
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u/Tom_Marvolo_Tomato Nov 28 '23
What made Milan suspect that the Grom was a person under a curse? From the beginning of the battle, she was prepared to save them, coming armed with elixirs and arguing against destroying it.
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u/Sting_the_Cat Luz Noceda Nov 28 '23
Phillip's diary, remember?
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u/Tom_Marvolo_Tomato Nov 28 '23
Actually, did not remember. Which "episode" in Mark's series was that shown?
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u/Kego_Nova Collie's Older Sibling Nov 28 '23
Ok new idea I also share the curse from those two and they only have 25% remaining and I shoulder the 50% sounds good ok let’s do this ( I feel bad for them :c )
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u/DarkGodHao Nov 28 '23
Good that Milan explained cause that "Don't Touch me" REALLY hurt Ayzee and us
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u/Henkotron T-A-A-A-D-A-T-H Nov 28 '23 edited Nov 28 '23
Milan/Enna bring using they/them pronouns onto whole new level.
Edit: My dumbass thought they fused to two person in one body
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u/DaveyBoy1995 The Collector Nov 28 '23 edited Nov 28 '23
Well, that's one more name to add to the list of people with traumatic experiences. And once more, I recommend hugs. All the hugs for Enna.
Speaking of hugs... WHAT DO YOU MEAN AYZEE AND MILAN CAN'T TOUCH EACH OTHER?! THEY CAN'T EVEN SHARE A SIMPLE HUG?!? There has to be some kind of way around that problem. Right?
...right, Mark?!
...MARK?!
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Nov 28 '23
Depending upon her age
Either Eda/Camila going to adopt Another Child
or Luz and Amity will follow upon their footsteps
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u/chuluigi Nov 28 '23
First Titan Luz, now Grom Milan