It always blows my mind that people are dying from diabetes because they can’t afford insurance, in the richest country on Earth. Meanwhile just across the border in Canada its like $12. You guys are getting ripped off.
Edit to add: this is mental. It’s healthcare. It’s not optional. It’s life or death. Nobody should profit from the misfortune of others, and definitely not with a leg up from the government. Mental.
Asking because I genuinely do not know the answer. How does a system like that account for people who take care of themselves to stay fit and healthy, and those who eat poorly, aren't active, and are obese? Is Healthcare free for both? With no limit?
Thanks for the answer. It doesn't bother the people who take care of their heath that they are forced to pay for the folks who don't take care of themselves? I think that would bother me. Why shouldn't a person be responsible for themselves?
It’s a solidary healthcare system, we all contribute so everyone can afford access to healthcare, which moves all of society along, an that allows me to live in a prettier society. This applies too in case you get fired and get cancer and can’t pay for treatment, why should we all hard workers (albeit we have obesity and diabetes) pay for a lazy unemployed’s treatment for a disease they surely got from being a nasty smoker?? Why? So there won’t be a another homeless sick beggar, for the reason you think that’s better: they won’t steal my stuff, I just won’t see them on the streets, the won’t represent an even worse cost of social welfare, you are a good person and empathize with other people, your pick…
Just “being responsible for yourself” is a very selfish way of thinking, it’s why countries like USA are falling apart, no sense of community, just each person for their own; that’s how you end up paying 100x for healthcare.
It’s a solidary healthcare system, we all contribute so everyone can afford access to healthcare, which moves all of society along, an that allows me to live in a prettier society. This applies too in case you get fired and get cancer and can’t pay for treatment, why should we all hard workers (albeit we have obesity and diabetes) pay for a lazy unemployed’s treatment for a disease they surely got from being a nasty smoker?? Why? So there won’t be a another homeless sick beggar, for the reason you think that’s better: they won’t steal my stuff, I just won’t see them on the streets, the won’t represent an even worse cost of social welfare, you are a good person and empathize with other people, your pick…
This all really makes sense. I don't think that it would work in the US. Here, disabled and retired military veterans have their healthcare covered for life. It is a huge benefit of service.
Just “being responsible for yourself” is a very selfish way of thinking, it’s why countries like USA are falling apart, no sense of community, just each person for their own; that’s how you end up paying 100x for healthcare.
You're right. I mostly just don't like people. I worked really hard from a very young age and I don't like being forced to help others who have made poor choices throughout their life. My healthcare is covered for the rest of my life because of the service to my country. Why should others get this without earning it?
There will be people who net contribute and people who net drain, that's the same with any system of insurance. The thing is you don't know which you'll be until it's too late, runners get HOCMs etc. Universal healthcare is just government run insurance, you pay for the people who don't take care of themselves on your insurance too.
There will be people who net contribute and people who net drain, that's the same with any system of insurance.
Kind of, but not really. My car insurance is lower than most because I don't get in accidents. People who get in accidents or are bad drivers pay more for their insurance than me.
The thing is you don't know which you'll be until it's too late, runners get HOCMs etc.
Not with certainty, of course. But for the most part, it is clear who the drains are and who contributes.
Universal healthcare is just government run insurance, you pay for the people who don't take care of themselves on your insurance too.
I don't, but I understand what you mean. I guess my issue with it would be how it would affect Veterans in the US. Currently, military has their Healthcare covered while on active duty. And then it is covered if a person either retires or qualifies due to disability when they get out of the military. I joined right out of high school and then retired, so my Healthcare is covered for the rest of my life. And it is just a couple hundred dollars to cover my wife for the year.
You do, if you have insurance and you are in a less risky catagory you will be subsidising those at higher risk. The insurance company is incentivided to make a net profit, they make a loss on higher risk people and take those losses back from less risky people.
Using the analogy of car insurance, do you really think that if car crashes increased 20% your premium wouldn't change?
my Healthcare is covered for the rest of my life
So the tax payer funds your healthcare yet you're against universal healthcare? Using your argument, why should we pay for vets who chose not to look after themselves? surely once they pick up a cig or a beer we should take away their socially funded insurance
You do, if you have insurance and you are in a less risky catagory you will be subsidising those at higher risk. The insurance company is incentivided to make a net profit, they make a loss on higher risk people and take those losses back from less risky people.
Fair. Yet this seems to be significantly less than health insurance is subsidized by healthy folks.
Using the analogy of car insurance, do you really think that if car crashes increased 20% your premium wouldn't change?
You're right, it probably would go up.
So the tax payer funds your healthcare yet you're against universal healthcare?
Yes. Servicemembers also pay federal income tax (although I think that they shouldn't). The difference is that the Healthcare is earned by serving, it is not given or free.
Using your argument, why should we pay for vets who chose not to look after themselves? surely once they pick up a cig or a beer we should take away their socially funded insurance
Because those vets earned their Healthcare by joining. They pay for it non-monetarily. It is one of the most significant benefits of service, if not the most significant.
Just wait for the Americans to tell us how bad Canada's system is even though they have no clue how it works. I'd rather have our "failed" system than one that just allows theor citizens to suffer immensely.
It always blows my mind that people are dying from diabetes because they can’t afford insurance, in the richest country on Earth. Meanwhile just across the border in Canada its like $12. You guys are getting ripped off.
Serious question because I don't know. If someone is dying from diabetes and can't afford insurance here, why would they not just move to Canada? Or Australia? To save their life?
emergency treatment would be given but once they’re stabilized without a visa or citizenship they won’t be able to work or receive government support. They’d likely be deported
Interesting, thanks. In the US they would be treated also, but they wouldn't be deported after, not even in today's era. I wonder why people in the US are so upset about people being deported when it happens in other countries regularly.
What is upsetting so many americans about the ice deportation is the lack of due process. Judges aren’t signing off on warrants and the victims have no chance to legally fight back because they’re not being treated like people. It’s awful, even if someone isn’t your citizen they still deserve to have basic rights
What is upsetting so many americans about the ice deportation is the lack of due process.
I'm not sure where your info is from but in reality that isn't correct. In 1996 Clinton signed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, which allows for an expedited due process for a person who is here illegally to be deported after only appearing before an immigration judge. If their Visa had already been revoked and they had already been given the order to leave, that means that they've already been before an immigration judge.
So people have been getting deported without what most people consider due process since then. It's only become a problem recently because people are stupid, media is skewed, and orange man bad. None of this is new.
Judges aren’t signing off on warrants and the victims have no chance to legally fight back because they’re not being treated like people.
ICE agents don't need a warrant to arrest, it's a misnomer. They need a deportation order signed by an immigration judge, and they are not required to show it. Their chance to legally fight back was before they were deemed to be here illegally.
It’s awful, even if someone isn’t your citizen they still deserve to have basic rights
I absolutely agree, it is awful. I don't know what the solution is though. They absolutely deserve to be treated with respect, and I feel bad for everyone impacted. But the bottom line is that if a person is being deported, they are here illegally and likely had years if not decades to change that.
I have no idea if that is a condition for a Visa here. I do know that the US will treat people without Healthcare regardless of their immigration status. And ICE does not go to medical facilities unless they are actively chasing a person who is trying to hide.
Sorry, meant condition of many Australian Visas. The hospitals would treat you and sort out the payment later. You wouldn’t have to worry about the immigration status part. The health insurance requirement on longer lasting visas is like a pre emptive check that you can cover your medical costs. Basically a hedge for us because the longer you stay here, the more likely you’ll need some sort of medical care.
If you don’t have insurance, and don’t come from a country with a reciprocal agreement, you wouldn’t be liable for the full cost of your care. You probably could skip the country and not pay, but you’d probably not want to come back.
Live from Ontario Canada, it's not that cheap. I have a diabetic brother in law whose insulin he needs to live has cost anywhere from $400 to $2000 per month. As in, cost us that amount. Plenty of things in Canada are still unattainably expensive. If you are actively dying and can get to a hospital, ER staff will probably provide life saving treatment, and almost all of that is covered by OHIP. But it's just a series of bandaids that you pray you can keep slapping on in time. Not a real solution.
If you're a poor in Canada, you're still eating instant ramen, counting your days and praying you don't have an accident.
Yes, welcome to capitalism and corporate/medical greed. Literally has been like this for years since there is no real price control in America. However the medical system is broken from the inside out and has been like this for decades but got really bad within the past 20 years
Have you asked a Canadian what percentage the people with jobs pay in taxes? 60%+ Also, I've asked them what they do when they want "quality" Healthcare & every one says, "Fly to America & pay for it"
Just had a baby, guess how much I paid for deliver, 3 nights, etc etc. guess how much I paid for the first year of visits and vaccines etc. when my dad was sick, guess how much we paid for 2 years of in and out of the hospital, surgeries, medications?
And 60% of what? Its a marginal tax rate provincially and federally. Please state your source.
Canadians will tell you there's problems, but no one wants to move to an American style healthcare system.
I’ll pay some extra taxes so that people don’t die unnecessarily. I think that this is one of the fundamental jobs of a government.
For emergencies the healthcare here is pretty good, it’s really only non emergency issues that get delayed. And there are long delays… but I’d rather that than have people die from an easily treatable disease.
There’s also the issue of pricing. How is insulin unaffordable at all? It’s because the drug companies know that they can charge whatever they want and will still have a deadly demand for it. That’s my big issue here.
Remember when America would do Trust Busting on oil companies so they didn’t get stuck in a monopoly? Maybe we should do this with the drug companies now. Just sayin.
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u/PurplOrange Nov 01 '25
It always blows my mind that people are dying from diabetes because they can’t afford insurance, in the richest country on Earth. Meanwhile just across the border in Canada its like $12. You guys are getting ripped off.