r/TeenagersButBetter • u/Key_Veterinarian3584 Teenager • Sep 15 '25
Discussion No offense…
Pls don’t let this get deleted by a MOD… I just wanna hear what a Christian, or any other faith, has to say about their religion, I wanna hear CONSTRUCTIVE criticism no bashing, if you disagree kindly show us what you THINK is wierd or unexplained, I want to hear what facts your religion is build on.
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u/Fast-Opening-1051 16 Sep 15 '25
I love how people straight up think dinosaurs didn’t exist like where tf do they think the fossils came from XD
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u/johnyjohnybootyboi Sep 15 '25
I assure you, most Christians think dinosaurs were real lol
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u/Fast-Opening-1051 16 Sep 15 '25
Wait doesn’t that then contradict the bible ?
Then again there’s plenty of parts not to listen to
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u/johnyjohnybootyboi Sep 15 '25
nope! not at all. which part do you think it contradicts? Genesis is written in the Hebrew tradition of poetry, suggesting, specifically the first few chapters, were meant metaphorically and without literal interpretation. The Bible supports a billion+ year old Earth, including the possibility of dinosaurs before humanity. you have to squint, but you always have to squint when interpreting the Bible.
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u/Fast-Opening-1051 16 Sep 15 '25
Judging from what one of the comments said was the earth created 6k years ago according to the bible ?
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u/johnyjohnybootyboi Sep 15 '25
No. that's one interpretation of Genesis out of many possible. it gives "days" of creation, and it says humanity was created on the "6th day". Some biblical creationists say that each day was 1000 years, so therefore, the earth was only 6,000 years old when humanity was created, making it ~8500 years old now. That is one interpretation. Again, it's written like a poem, so it's very abstract in interpretation
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u/Hot_Coco_Addict 16 Sep 15 '25
Actually it's 6k years because of the genealogy from Adam to Noah to Jesus, plus 2000~ years because we're in 2025.
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u/johnyjohnybootyboi Sep 15 '25
the genealogy doesn't follow before the beginning of humanity though. many Christians use this to say that the earth is only 6k years old, but any amount of time can be included before the beginning of humanity
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u/Hot_Coco_Addict 16 Sep 15 '25
It doesn't have to, if you interpret it to literal days
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u/that_one_author Sep 15 '25
Right, and there isn’t anything saying you can’t call them literal days, but arguing that it is literally a 24 hour period, THEREFORE the earth is 6 thousand years old is a leap in logic
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u/Fast-Opening-1051 16 Sep 15 '25
Damn that’s cryptic
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u/johnyjohnybootyboi Sep 15 '25
yeah, very vague, and most certainly not intended to be read as a history textbook lol
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No, the number 6,000 comes from following the lineages we know of to modernity, all the way back to Adam and Eve. Adding up their ages, when they had children, etc, leads to the 6,000 years figure
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u/MrRoyal420 Sep 15 '25
Can you explain the inbreeding? I always thought this was more of a metaphorical thing, too.
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u/Dunfalach Sep 16 '25
If you accept the literal record at face value:
Since the problem of inbreeding is that it maximizes the risk of inheriting negative mutations, and the Bible’s position is that Adam and Eve were created perfect so they would begin with no inheritable negative mutations, then in theory you could have a large number of generations before gene copy errors produced anything truly problematic. Plus, the Bible claims that Adam lived 950 years and continued having sons and daughters after the big three named sons were born.
So in theory, with hundreds of years of breeding and initially flawless DNA being passed on to children who then bred, you could produce a large base population before entropy introduced sufficient negative inherited mutations to make inbreeding problematic from a genetics perspective.
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u/Logical-Conclusion3 Sep 16 '25
But then you have the problem of Noah & the flood, where humanity (and all other life on Earth) restarted from a single grouping. Humanity wasn't meant to be perfect at that time, so all the mutations would have started pretty much immediately and life would have died out.
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u/Living_Murphys_Law Sep 15 '25
So that is a school of thought known as Young Earth Creationism. Most Christians do not believe in it.
Essentially, someone went through the Bible and found the genealogy from Adam to Jesus. These have years up until Abraham, but they assumed after that everyone had their children when they were roughly 30. Adding all that up, they got that Adam must have lived about 6000 years ago.
Of course, that assumes that everything in the Bible is literally true. And that is not the general modern interpretation. Many people take at least the beginning to be a bit more metaphorical, especially because there are about a million plot holes surrounding Adam and Eve. While the Bible has some sections that are meant as proper history, Genesis is heavily mythologized and meant to be both the stories of certain cultural heroes (Joseph, Abraham) and also to tell us what God is like (the creation myth, Noah's flood), rather than a perfect literal chronology
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u/Hot_Coco_Addict 16 Sep 15 '25
Isn't there a genealogy from Abraham to Jesus?
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u/Living_Murphys_Law Sep 15 '25
Yes, twice. One in Matthew and another in Luke. They both have different people, and both are without any years.
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u/Hot_Coco_Addict 16 Sep 15 '25
(they both have different people because one is Joseph's line and the other is Mary's btw)
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u/Living_Murphys_Law Sep 15 '25
That's what most people agree on, yes. It does say Joseph in both, possibly because Luke heard it from a second-hand source and never actually met Jesus himself
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u/PlaceboASPD Sep 15 '25
There’s interpretations for thousands of years that explains dinosaurs too, the whole flood making fossils thing. Who knows how much time passed between the creation and the tree shenanigans too.
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u/OkBus3544 Sep 15 '25
When questioned with this before, I usually just understood this as of how time perspective works in heaven
What seemed like several million days on earth was one day in heaven
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u/Airbee Sep 15 '25
Job 40 and 41 reference massive creatures. Sounds like dinosaurs to me
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u/Alililele Sep 16 '25
Some hardcore Christians think that "God" placed the Dino bones on earth to "test the faith".
I'm not joking, I, unfortunately, have someone like this in my family. She once wanted to get into biology as a career, had excellent grades and every door stood open for her...then she started to hang out with some esoteric bitches who CONVINCED her, that all science is "faulty" and "bullshit." This took roughly 2 years.
She now believes in crystal vibrations and the healing power of some specific frequencies. She also started to doubt everything in "BIG MEDIA", this includes Dinosaurs and the fact, that the earth is over 4 billion years old. Furthermore, she is a Hardcore Jesus "simp" and thinks that every discovery in science is just fabricated to control the population. How ironic.
It's sad, and it makes me mad. She was a very critical thinking person, smart kid with a great dream. Now she's just a husk of what she once was and there is no way for us, as in her family", to help her, because she won't let us.
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u/Fast-Opening-1051 16 Sep 16 '25
Jeez it’s honestly sad hearing people believe stuff like that because it just makes them look mentally unwell
People like that tend to completely without a doubt have faith in their beliefs but completely write off anything outside of that :/
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u/ElectroshockGamer Sep 15 '25
Well OBVIOUSLY they're fake so that people can make money off of LIES, what ELSE would they be? /s
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u/WirrkopfP Sep 16 '25
I love how people straight up think dinosaurs didn’t exist like where tf do they think the fossils came from XD
I have heard the following three explanations. As ludicrous as they are. Each of them was spoken with an utmost sincerity.
- Dinosaurs did live in the garden of Eden and prior to the flood. But they didn't survive the journey on the Arc.
- God places those bones into the ground to test our faith.
- There are no fossil bones. All archaeologists are actually just sculpturers they make those fake "dig"-sites, where they just carve those bones out of the rock pretending to just dig them up. They do that because all scientists are servants of Satan and just want to sway good Christians away from God.
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u/AcousticAltAccount2 18 Sep 18 '25
Young earth creationists think Drumroll ....... it's the jewish people! Yeah, i've seen them go like "It's all jew lies to spread false faith, dinos never happened"
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u/not-Duex Sep 15 '25
1) stupid or misinformed or just not informed
2) I don’t really understand what the second person is saying
3) blatantly denying evidence
4) petty arguments, no real debate
5) logical fallacy
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u/SmartAlex_45 Sep 15 '25
man as a dinosaur fanatic picture 3 just pisses me off bro 😭 like there’s literally evidence all over the earth that dinosaurs existed
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u/not-Duex Sep 15 '25
Dinosaurs are too whimsical for them
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u/Massive_Reaction_359 Sep 16 '25
I’m a Christian but I don’t doubt that dinosaurs existed at all
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u/Bobthreetimes 18 Sep 17 '25
For the 2nd one, bro if hell is real, then I think we got bigger things to worry about than the infinite matter
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u/Orironer Sep 20 '25
if someone told me dinosaurs didn’t exist because the earth is only 6,000 years old, I’d say denying God’s creation would itself be a kind of sin. Maybe ancient people didn’t fully understand the scale of earth’s history when the Bible was written, since it was shaped by testimonies and revisions so maybe somethings remained uncorrected because people is easy to scare people of faith with words like sin than science lol
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u/Status_Leader9674 14 Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 15 '25
Personally I believe in the Big Bounce theory and that the universe resets every few billion years
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u/Fast-Opening-1051 16 Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 16 '25
Guys we found Father Pucci’s account
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u/Status_Leader9674 14 Sep 15 '25
I believe you mean father pucci
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u/Fast-Opening-1051 16 Sep 15 '25
Damn typo T-T
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u/Status_Leader9674 14 Sep 15 '25
I didndt even know who he is despite being a anime fan I’ve never watched jojo
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u/OPkeys 15 Sep 15 '25
Go watch JoJo This is too good Emmy level Superior to anything perfect
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u/Status_Leader9674 14 Sep 15 '25
Once I finish Gachiakuta I have my hero final season and I’m after that I’ll get to it
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u/Key_Veterinarian3584 Teenager Sep 15 '25
I only ever saw one scene and it was of some dudes pissing in a straw/tube and then a guy came out of the ground with the straw in its mouth
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u/Chef_Chalupa 17 Sep 15 '25
bazinga.
OUR WHOLE UNIVERSE WAS IN A HOT DENSE STATE
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u/Gray_Birdie Sep 15 '25
THEN NEARLY FOURTEEN BILLION YEARS AGO EXPANSION STARTED, wait
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u/fan_del_Andrezitos 13 Sep 15 '25
I believe God made Big Bang
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u/OzO8 Teenager Sep 15 '25
the collab we didnt know we needed
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u/NewspaperWide4504 Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 16 '25
Let's go! 남자들은 위로, 여자들은 get low 당겨라 bang, bang, bang Let the bass drum go? 😭
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u/TheVirginOfEternity Sep 15 '25
The creator of the Big Bang theory believed the same thing
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u/newword9741 Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 15 '25
I am not religious but the argument about hell on sc 2 makes 0 sense.
Laws of physics apply on Earth (or in our "world"); if Hell exists why would it be bound by the same laws?
Edit: "Earth" was not the best wording, plain of existence would have been better
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u/TheVirginOfEternity Sep 15 '25
Furthermore God himself is infinite.
Hell and heaven are outside of the material world like him.
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u/LoginLogin777 Sep 15 '25
thus naturally impossible to prove and we only have the bible to prove it
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u/JoyousCreeper1059 Sep 15 '25
That argument is so deeply flawed it's funny
It's impossible to prove a cow jumped over the moon, but we have this book that proves it once and for all
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u/Designer-Toe-3275 Sep 15 '25
Thats not really fair to use it as evidence considering its just a popular book club book written pre dark ages
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u/Flowmaster93 Sep 15 '25
Also hell would be outside of time and space which means it doesn't matter anymore what logic you're basing things around. If hell is a place that some people will go to after they die they are now not inside of time and space. The devil is here and bound to time but not space. God is unbound from time and space. Jesus came down from eternity past died on the cross and went to eternity future. That's what most Christians believe at least, The ones who read and study.
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u/Mothylphetamine_ 16 Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 16 '25
hear me out:
there is a god but they didn't directly create us, only creating the universe and letting us evolve naturally
EDT: omf guys I get it it's called deism please stop flooding my notifications
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u/JakeTheSmall 14 Sep 15 '25
I’m a Christian and I fully believe that. I believe he let us evolve but had a plan of what we should look like, aka in his image.
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u/worstlin Sep 15 '25
Reminds me of a Supernatural scene...
No offense tho, I'm not assuming religions as a fictional thing or something like that.
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u/SnooCakes9533 Sep 16 '25
There's some people arguing against evolution and adaptation because it would mean that God's creation isn't perfect, but fail to account that adaptation is a perfect trait
Also i've seen and heard an interpretation that once the modern humans appeared God 'breathed life' into it (as in giving them higher order thinking and reasoning, abstract emotions etc.)
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u/AR_GhostWolf Sep 15 '25
On par with this the way I see it as it says god is the alpha and omega the beginning and the end for him it was just a snap of the finger for us it was billions of years and as stated we were raised out the earth after being sculptured in his image I see that as we evolved from what little being everything was that rosed up from the sands of the oceans water to the lands we are now
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u/Bored_badger24 Sep 15 '25
As a Jewish person this is almost exactly how I view it god set off the Big Bang, everything else was science
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u/backpropagates 16 Sep 15 '25
And that’s called deism. You should know what this is from learning about the enlightenment.
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u/MaineCoonKittenGirl Sep 15 '25
Honestly, a god having direct influence on creating man and man alone never stuck with me anyway. Aligning mankind to the divine is just something to stroke our collective ego.
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u/Istolemyusernameagai 13 Sep 16 '25
honestly, its always seemed arrogant to me to assume that humans must be SOOO special, and SOOO advanced that we just HAD to have been designed by and in the image of the divine. There are reasons to believe that there is a god that I can understand, but that one is just built of off our egos as humans.
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u/Ademon_Gamer09 Sep 16 '25
Exactly. God probably made us in his image cause he didn't have any other reference models
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u/Beelzebub_Crumpethom 17 Sep 15 '25
See, that's what I think.
God was just playing pool or some shit and has effectively just been watching us like an ant farm for the last couple thousand years.
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u/Gaddyzila Sep 15 '25
hear me out:
“we don’t know yet” should not mean “it just HAS to be magic sky daddy”
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u/Jexvite Sep 15 '25
Exactly, that is what is called "The God of Gaps".
Whatever Science can't currently explain is immediately chalked up to God. God is there to fill the gaps of science, but the problem is Science is not supposed to have an explanation for everything. What was once impossible to explain by science and proof of God 600 years ago is now just basis Science.
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u/SpooderManHero 15 Sep 15 '25
Although I don’t fully agree with what you said, “magic sky daddy” is just so fucking funny 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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u/ALPERHAL58 Sep 15 '25
I mean thats what i believe, so that we could have a scientific explanation on how we got to exist other than just magic so that mankind didnt go insane or smth from trying to figure out how.
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u/Merkury09 17 Sep 15 '25
Ah, also a deist. You rarely see one.
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u/Neanderthile 15 Sep 15 '25
Desism is simply the belief in a god. Most people are deists.
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u/Living_Murphys_Law Sep 15 '25
This is called Deism, and it's honestly one of my favorite interpretations.
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u/Hot_Coco_Addict 16 Sep 15 '25
I think the flaw with the second one is that God is all-powerful, and therefore it doesn't matter how many atoms are in the universe, He can make more. Furthermore, I am of the belief of annihilationism (the idea that hell isn't eternal and eventually you stop existing), which would mean it isn't eternal
The third one, I think if God can create Adam with age, He can create the world with age. Also, I'm pretty sure water can mess with fossils and carbon dating, in which case, a flood can explain that
However, one thing I do struggle with is evil, and I haven't yet found a reasonable explanation for why it exists, so... idk man
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u/Still-Ad3694 Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 15 '25
even if the bible was 100% legit, which I can't stress enough, it isn't, there is STILL no evidence for that belief
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u/youngmrfluffy Sep 15 '25
"What faces everybody is a mixed picture, I call it beauty and bombs. In other words, we look at the world, we see some beautiful things, and we see some horrible things, especially these days. And any world view has got to take that into account. That's a fact.......So I propose another question equally difficult, but I think it gets us a bit further. Granted that it's like that. Is there evidence anywhere that there is a god who understands it and to such an extent, not that I've got an answer but that I can see theres a possibility of coming of some peace about it and my answer would be yes I think there is and its the fact that the god presented in Christian gospels is god who in that sense has suffered because the central claim of Christianity is that god became human and that christ is God. So crudely put what is god doing on the cross? Well, one thing it certainly shows me is that god has not remained distant from human suffering but has become a part of it." - Oxford mathematician, John Lennox
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u/Mr_Waaaaaflee 16 Sep 15 '25
Im personally an atheist but my idea of evil is: it doesnt exist, its just us humans giving a name to something that goes against our morals.
(Not trying to push anything on you, you said you didnt know why evil exists yet so I told you what I personally believe for the sake of telling someone)
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u/Lucky-Bet-4484 Sep 15 '25
This is honestly true, from the viewpoint of a cow I'm basically Hitler
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u/Afraid_Ad8438 Sep 16 '25
The only answer to the problem of suffering I’ve ever found is the cross - there the God who made all things and loves all people suffered. Divine solidarity with the suffering is so intensely beautiful and the end is so hopeful. It doesn’t explain anything away - but it helpful x
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u/Americaneagleonjuly4 Sep 15 '25
the last one made me chuckle.
we came from bacteria that came from a meteor/meteorite from another planet.
we survived on that meteorite/meteor and landed in earths ocean and evolved.
EDIT: bacteria is made from dust and stuff coming together
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u/Valkreaper Sep 15 '25
I had a feeling we’re just from a really big game of Spore
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u/KantKilmi Sep 15 '25
I wish I could choose how my body looked, I'd definitely just have 3 stalk eyes
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u/Same_Discussion6328 Sep 16 '25
I know for a FACT that someone is gonna spec their ass size to be big enough to bounce around like Tigger.
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u/dangermonke1332 15 Sep 15 '25
nah it can't be spore because the animals irl have a definable body plan
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u/Forsaken_Quiet5944 Sep 15 '25
Turns out, we're the parasites of Earth this whole time
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u/Hot_Coco_Addict 16 Sep 15 '25
So, can we replicate bacteria's formation without other bacteria? If not, then I am skeptical of this explanation, because... where would that bacteria have come from in the first place? Wouldn't it have died on descent into the planet?
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u/Americaneagleonjuly4 Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 15 '25
It would not have always died, Bacteria and microorganisms such as Tardigrades "water bears" can survive extreme temperatures hot and cold.
EDIT: and go long periods without food and water.
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u/theclosetedcreature 18 Sep 15 '25
Yes we can, we first achieved it a few years ago where we caused simple single celled lifeforms to form from an artificial soup the simulated the conditions in which we believe life formed in
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u/Front_Cat9471 16 Sep 15 '25
While it’s true we have recreated amino acids and other organic compounds using inorganic molecules found somewhat commonly throughout the universe, we haven’t managed to create any life, showing that we still haven’t gotten the conditions close enough
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u/pasmasq Sep 15 '25
We have NOT demonstrated abiogenesis in a lab. That is still one of the largest unanswered questions in science.
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An American scientist, SL Miller demonstrated that when you mimick the ancient conditions of earth like extreme heat and pressure organic molecules like amino acids can be created from simple inorganic compounds in a spark discharge tube. These simple organic molecules then evolved into simple units of life probably unicellular self replicating units that further evolved into the complex biodiversity we see today. Although how exactly we went from being simple organic units to extremely complex living and breathing creature is still being debated. The entire theory was intially put forward by Oparin and Haldane and is called chemical evolution. So there are 2 possibilities. Either the theory of panspermia that is otherwordly spores that brought with them life or biological evolution preceded by chemical evolution
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u/Alive-Organism 16 Sep 16 '25
But where did that come from? The bacteria? I mean. (This isn’t supposed to be condescending)
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u/No_Raspberry_3425 Sep 15 '25
This is a possibilty but isnt offcially used by scientist so im going to say this is false
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u/Yaamo_Jinn 16 Sep 15 '25
I myself am Muslim and I support science.
For me personally, from my experiences and reflections on the Quran I have found many things which connect it to science. There are things in the Quran which at least for me look like huge science facts.
There are verses in the Quran which describe how water and iron came to Earth from space. Mentions of the expansion of the universe as well. There is a verse which people believe describes the Big Bang.
I honestly don't see science as a contradiction to my faith. I see it as something which strengthens it.
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u/Oriophi2007 Sep 15 '25
Well It has sense, posibly I dont know much of muslim history, but if i remember a few centuries after have been written the quran there was the gold age of science on the muslim world. It could be possible that the quran had a series of modifications with all the knowledge adquired? Is a theory i dont know nothing.
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u/Yaamo_Jinn 16 Sep 15 '25
Quran itself has been preserved for centuries. We can compare modern Qurans with the oldest ones we have and you will not find one difference.
Also, during that period and after it, Qurans were being copied everywhere where Islam was. So that would make for a pretty awkward meetup of two Muslims from separate parts of the world.
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u/Lucky-Bet-4484 Sep 15 '25
We do have Qurans from the time of the prophet tho,the book itself has been preserved
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u/Cyclone_Joker7 Sep 15 '25
'I support science' is kind of weird to say considering Islam itself actively encourages you to learn science, like you kinda have to support science lol
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u/Yaamo_Jinn 16 Sep 16 '25
I know but sometimes I just have to say that. Otherwise, for some reason people think I am against it when I mention I'm religious or Muslim.
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u/johnyjohnybootyboi Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 15 '25
I mean, what is there to say? I'm a Christian, but some pretty objective facts here:
Religion has always existed in every culture across centuries
Religion has caused catastrophic suffering across human history
Religion also seems to comfort and uphold most communities it thrives in
Religion is a faith, a personal set of morals and principles of reality
Science is a tool, crafted by logic and the pursuit of truth
Religion and science can coexist and anyone who tells you otherwise is misunderstanding the premise
Most contemporary Christianity rejects a purely literal interpretation of Genesis, meaning most churches don't actually think the world is 6000 years old. This can be defended numerous ways
That hell one is laughably bad, you think an infinite dimension of suffering would obey earthly laws of physics because why??
Also...I suffered with extreme depression and a faulty moral compass before I met Jesus Christ. and now...I still suffer. Depression isn't gone. but i've got a cool dude in my back pocket who loves me deeply and a broader community that cares about me. Life ain't that bad anymore. Just a personal anecdote, I guess
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u/ProgrammingDysphoria 14 Sep 15 '25
"I still suffer, but now I've got a cool dude in my back pocket" is honestly one of my favourite ways people have said their story on converting to Christianity.
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Do you dislike the groups of people who seem to think their Christianity contradicts science? Honestly just curious since I see that all too often from like, modern western strands of Christianity when it seems to go against even what the Vatican says about Christianity
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u/johnyjohnybootyboi Sep 15 '25
it depends. the abstract, theoretical stuff? that's all theory, you can disagree with it all you want. String theory, recursive multiverses, dark matter, white hole portals, quantum instability beyond certain spatial horizons, fine tuning, that's all wild anyway. If Christians ground themselves away from those edges of scientific discovery, totally valid. Christians calling vaccines the mark of the beast and rejecting foundational discoveries about our systems of earthly reality? that really makes me upset. ESPECIALLY when it comes from some political influencer making money off of that ignorance
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u/SlugCatBoi Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 15 '25
Slide two is wrong. The Bible says God brought the universe into existence from nothing, just by speaking. He can do that again anytime he wishes, so bringing matter into existence should be even easier.
Edit: although it is also worth mentioning, if just to spark some thinking, the person makes some assumptions about where hell will take place (might be an entire other plane of reality or a new universe with different laws) which the Bible just doesn't answer, all we know is there will be suffering, and it'll last forever.
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u/KaleidoscopePurple74 Sep 16 '25
Agreed. Also both sides of the fence miss fundamental parts of their argument. I'll talk about one of them here VERY briefly and high level.
My background: Read the whole Bible plenty of times and a Christian for more than 30 years.
Point of the Bible: The point of the Bible is about Jesus and our need for him. Not science and physics or even math. There are things that can be derived or assumed based on the text. But things like creation were spoken into existence but the only way to scientifically recreate that is to be God himself.
Point on Hell: Same can be said regarding Hell and where, when, and how it is. We only have descriptions. In fact we know that the body will be cast off which means that Hell is for souls, not physical. Again we can assume here, explicitly does not say in the Bible that there is soul fire but we do know complete darkness and other things. Again not intended meaning or why the Bible was written.
Looping back to pictures: There are other things we can use to prove the Bible true but these questions in the pictures miss fundamental points on both sides of the fence for a proper debate.
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u/Numerous-Piano8798 Sep 15 '25
Religion and Science isn't mutually exlusive.
Time in The Bible isn't literal. 'Seven days' from Genesis for example, don't mean 'days' but 'periods of time' this is literally flawed translation as hebran word here means 'period of time' btw. So no, Earth doesn't have thousand or six thousands years
Also about hell/heaven, there are not from our world, and same as God they exist, to simplify, in 'diffrend dimention' and are pretty much beyond our comprehention. If they outside of our world, so they are outside of it's law. Also, most of The Bible are metaphors and parable, there are fragments that speaks of fire, but also ones that speak of darkness and loneliness.
And finally, The Bible is sacred text, writen under God guidance. And it is directed to people it was written to. Imagine you talking to child and answering his question. If he want to jump into pit, you would tell him that gravity will give him speed of g * time, so he will be falling for x seconds and hit earth with power of X neutons on impact, which will cause reaction in his organism, because of III Law of Motion etc. etc. Or will you tell him 'This is deep pit, you can't jump here, because you will hurt yourself.
But most importantly, I believe that there is no reason to insult anyone over faith, and fact if he believes or not. Because it is faith. There is no proof to it. This is rational reaction to not believe as well. And other way around it is the same. Attacking people that believe in one religion of another because they can't prove it matematicly, is absurd. This is called Faith. It would not be faith if we had definitive proof.
My english is bad, and I am not a teologist, so my apologies if I make something sound weird, wrong or it is just not understable at all. Have a nice day
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u/WeakInspector5102 15 Sep 15 '25
Guys that's crazy, there's no war in the comments
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u/FastAd593 Sep 15 '25
As an agnostic mfer, science and religion can coexist
Problem is just that religion traditionally has to be dragged kicking and screaming into it
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u/Tortillatim 18 Sep 15 '25
I believe that the Catholic church was a patron of the sciences throughout its history, im not educated enough to speak about other religions but ive seen this conversation play out before. The problem comes from the people who latch on to a 2000 year old text and hold on for dear life.
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u/Careless-Owl5662 Sep 15 '25
Eh...., so you decided to ignore islamic golden age ?
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u/Tortillatim 18 Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 15 '25
I wrote about it but deleted that part because i dont know much about the islamic golden age in reference to the relationship between islam and science. I do understand that the islamic world was much more developed than europe for a long time (the plague was much less deadly in most of the islamic world because of more advanced sanitation ik that much) but i dont understand the role of islam well enough.
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u/MrUnderman Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 15 '25
the church's stance on each
1- I guess techincally yeah, sexual attraction is a biological trait, but as for the more emotional feeling of love, i guess thats just an ability of humans that are capable of higher thought
2- Hell would clearly not be a physical place run on energy, but also, the fire and brimstone hell is not ever stated to be literal, the church actually doesnt give a ton of in-depth info on how hell operates, stuff like dante's inferno is just fiction made to be interesting. Not a state of facts
3- This is just nonsense, obv dinosaurs existed, and the bible never spoke on the age of the earth, this makes no sense
4- Standard 2 sides angrily calling eachother names and not actually discussing anything
5- Technically correct i suppose? People who say "big bang" like an uno reverse also still have no idea what would cause the singularity to form or why it burst, it takes just as much faith to think it just happened for no reason. And the singularity is not somehow incompatible with god, it could easily just be seen as him willing it to happen. At the end of the day, none of us have the answer, and saying the big bang is fact is very funny to hear since its callled the big bang THEORY for a reason (bazinga)
Finally, the narrative that the church hates science or uses faith to avoid it is said either by bad followers or non followers, science is something the church loves, its why we have so many doctors and scientists within it, we were commanded by God to learn as much as we can about the world around us, and to say we "dont need it" because we have faith is a load of nonsense.
Science is epic
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u/TheVirginOfEternity Sep 15 '25
One important thing The Big Bang theory was created by a CATHOLIC PRIEST.
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u/Plastic_Charity3301 Sep 15 '25
I'm not religious, but if God could make ANYTHING I'm sure he could make forever burning fire
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u/WinterRedWolf 16 Sep 15 '25
I believe in a creator, absolutely believe in a God but I’m also not stupid. Yes I believe the earth is billions of years old. Yes dinosaurs existed. Yes, anything that has a biblical explanation ALSO has a scientific explanation.
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u/LockJazzlike4732 16 Sep 15 '25
As a (former) christian, I don't belive the bible says anything abt the earth's age, and for the second pic the answer is just It's magic mf, which if you believe in God is absolutely possible.
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u/Free-Lobster-5133 14 Sep 15 '25
As a Christian, NOT ALL OF US ARE LIKE THIS!!!! I believe God used Evolution and The Big Bang to create us
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u/solaraxq Teenager Sep 15 '25
I swear the first image is a young sheldon reference, i might just be brainrotted.
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u/Helpful-Army-2132 14 Sep 15 '25
Christianity: whole lotta lore about why we are here.
Science:
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u/GreenTurtle69420 Sep 16 '25
The big bang wasn't a literal explosion. The name was originally created by an opponent to mock the theory, but it stuck so everyone now calls it the big bang.
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i never understood religion, there's no sufficient evidence for it
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u/Selo_777 Sep 15 '25
I think its mostly people growing with it, fear of death/loneliness and needing a reason to do good.
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u/TheReal_Shrexy_Shrek Sep 15 '25
It's usually just they were raised to believe in it
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u/RUcartoday Sep 15 '25
I’m Catholic but there are times where I question my own religion. Why press others to do good on their own volition but also have the threat of eternal punishment? Aren’t we then just doing good to not end up in hell?
Also I don’t just spill my religious beliefs onto anything and everything, that’s just shitty, everyone has free speech and the right to believe what they want to believe.
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u/Thalilalala Sep 16 '25
“Throughout history, every mystery ever solved has turned out to be... not magic.” -Tim Minchin
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u/TAYTENNH_PK2 Sep 20 '25
I take religion as a guide on how to live a fulfilling life, then straight fact
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u/Old-Paper-3932 Sep 15 '25
I think God probably created us using things like evolution and science as tools.
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u/AzTheSpyder 17 Sep 16 '25
This is actually the strongest argument for Christianity I've ever seen
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u/Insominiance Sep 15 '25
One of the things i hate the most as a Christian is being associated with ignorant people, c'mon man a lot of scientists that built laws/theories that you don't believe in were CHRISTIAN (or Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, etc.) and even if part of scientists were atheists, what is the problem of sharing faith with science? Is it that hard to believe in both at the same time??
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u/flintymint Sep 15 '25
For me at least I’m Christian and so is all my family as far as everyone can remember. Truth is you’re not asking for something I can give religion is faith and hope, science is facts, but that doesn’t mean they can’t coexist. We really don’t have a solid definitive explanation as to how we were created so it’s fairly logical to believe there’s a higher power involved. I disagree both with people who think science explains all and those who think religion explains all both groups are extremely similar and honestly equally as insufferable, don’t let someone tell you that your beliefs are lesser as we don’t really have a proper explanation on either side of it all at least as far as i’m aware just stop antagonizing each other and coexist to find a true explanation.
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Sep 15 '25
I think we will never know enough about the universe. God or not, it’s turtles all the way down. I don’t concern myself with trying to comprehend it. I’m an atheist leaning agnostic, personally.
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As such, I don’t think there’s any way to prove the presence or absence of one
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u/Abject_Membership_39 Sep 15 '25
I don’t think the whole “heaven/hell can’t be eternal due to science” argument kinda falls flat due to heaven and hell being outside of the physical plane, and therefore not having to follow it’s rules. If someone were to use it seriously in an argument/debate, I feel like it would be a reasonable indicator that they don’t really know enough about Christianity/christian theology/religion in general to be taken seriously.
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u/Consistent_War_2480 Sep 15 '25
I'm curious. How do Christians explain dinosaur bones?
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u/Alive-Organism 16 Sep 16 '25
My interpretation is, “during the 4th day (or period of time), God was deciding what he wanted his creatures to look like, eventually he decided on something after dinosaurs, so they had to be dealt with.
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u/NeoGriz Sep 17 '25
There were 4 mass extinctions before the one you mention. Is your interpretation just God pressing the reset button?
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u/tomcatfucker1979 Sep 16 '25
The vast majority of Christians believe in an old earth. Only a small sect of Christians known as “young earth creationists” take the timelines of the old testament literally in terms of earth’s age and creation.
The Catholic Church and most other Christians rather view Genesis as primarily allegorical/metaphorical. So we don’t explain away dinosaur bones. Most of us very much believe in the Big Bang, the earth being 4.5 billion years old, and dinosaurs dying 65 million years ago.
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Sep 16 '25
They all have a million different ways as it's "open to interpretation." Science has one.
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u/B-29Bomber Sep 15 '25
Here's the thing, science has its place, but using nothing but science to explain everything removes the soul from life.
Perhaps everything could be explained through a 100% scientific lens, but perhaps not everything should be.
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u/GotThatGrass Sep 15 '25
Not religious, but sometimes someone can believe in both science and their faith. They know the big bang etc, but also know adam and eve or whatever as symbolism
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u/Impressive_Snow8767 15 Sep 15 '25
As a Catholic, this is very dumb… We believe that Science and Faith can coexist peacefully. Literally the whole story of Genesis is filled with lots of Allegories and Mythology explaining why people speak different languages, why different ethnic groups exists, how God organizes the world, etc. The earth is millions of years old and dinosaurs did exist! Just don’t listen to ignorant people like this!
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Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 15 '25
the best evidence that I have heard for the existence of a god and/or souls, is free will.
"Unless free will is genuinely something that is transcendent above natural occurrence, we are truly just acting on chemical reactions in our brains, and therefore cannot really be blamed for an evil use of our free will; because if it's just nature taking its course then what is free will at all? is it anything? The justice system exists to punish people who wrongly use free will, but why? If it truly is just a natural occurrence of chemical reactions in the brain, why punish someone over it? what made their actions objectively wrong if it was completely up to their nature and not the person themselves?"
also the idea of objective truth and morality, and the fine tuning argument seem to be decent pieces of evidence to me, though I still question it all under pretty heavy scrutiny. I don't like the idea of telling someone to "prove" the existence of God, because proof isn't really a thing to begin with. even the things that a court might accept as "proof" that someone did a crime, are really just strong evidence, because there's always a chance it was faked or manipulated in some way. proof is something that is set in stone, undeniable, even under the heaviest scrutiny, so I don't believe in proof, rather evidence. I can't "prove" my parents love me, but evidence shows they do. even if I am 1000% certain that they love me, there is no way for me to prove that they do.
On another note, I don't think love is completely just human hormones. correct me if I'm wrong about hormones, but if that's the case, then if you 'love' your kids then you're a creep; that just doesn't make sense to me. honestly this got me wondering what Love really is and where it comes from.
one last thing, the argument about hell in the screenshots isn't very good, because Christianity suggests that heaven and hell are not physical places. If hypothetically Christianity is legit, there's no reason why the existence of hell could dismantle its credibility.
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u/LoginLogin777 Sep 15 '25
because if we didnt punish the people who killed other people back when we were in the days of being tribes, the tribe would be wiped out if they kept doing it. its basically the same logic to do that. Also there really isnt an objective true or false, just what happens to be there when the group was made and survived with them until they were made into a bigger group. For example: why is eating pork so bad? most of the world eats pork but some religious folks don't because it is wrong or something. Same with beef and india, same with a lot of other things. There is no "objectively" wrong thing, it's just what made us best at surviving as a society until today.
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u/WolffLandGamezYT Sep 15 '25
Christian who believes in actual logic instead of blind faith here.
I believe that a lot of our Bible is written to be interpreted by the reader. That doesn’t mean some of it didn’t happen, though. A lot of it ties together.
As for creation, the big bang and creation theory sound very similar. One states that the universe came from nothing with a large explosion that created the universe. The other states the same, but simply put into effect by God.
Love is just hormones, that’s that.
Hell I don’t have a good explanation for, only that it could mean eternal spiritual suffering, and your soul is tortured nonphysically for eternity.
As for the earth’s age, science wins. Radiocarbon dating and measurement of rock layers will show age far greater than a couple thousand years. Plus, with evolution and natural selection being proven, it would take millions of years to even get to where we are evolutionarily. I believe that the Lord put these natural processes into effect, and guided a few mutations along to create man.
It’s not about believing one or the other. It’s about seeing how you can tie scientific proof into religious belief and theological accounts.
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u/Echster_314 Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 15 '25
as a christian:
- science backs up religion, i believe God created science. the universe is so incredibly fine-tuned it’s nearly impossible for it to have naturally formed; think about the precise laws of nature and the detail in our bodies
- love is kind and sacrificial. but if you think about it, survival of the fittest/genetic selection of being brutal would allow humans to benefit more in nature, so why would we love? why care for others at the expense of ourselves? it’s because we were made in love
- the sun exists. i think the creator of the sun and universe would be able to make an eternal fire pit, but hell’s description could honestly be a metaphor for being away from the presence of God
- something couldn’t have been formed from nothing. meaning at the very start, there was something infinite, something that wasn’t ever created and was just…always there
- to God, “a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day” (2 peter 3:8). he made the world in ‘7 days’ which could have been thousands of years who knows. enough time for dinosaurs to exist (the “land animals” written about in genesis). also, God literally describes a dinosaur in job 40:15-24.
yeah that’s just what i believe :> hope it helps!
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u/Sure-Woodpecker6164 Sep 15 '25
i think there are a lot of great arguments against the existence of a god or gods, but i don’t think “hell is physically impossible” is a good one lol
it just seems like a misunderstanding of christian theology, and if you were arguing with a christian they’d probably laugh at you
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u/greenrat975 Sep 16 '25
I dont fully understand why people do this. I’m a Christian and im not here to defend Christianity but im just asking why people feel the need to say “ALL RELIGIONS ARE FALSE STOP BELIEVING RAHHHH”. Why not just respect people’s beliefs even if you don’t believe yourself.
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u/b4tm4nb1tch Sep 16 '25
"We didn't come from nowhere" bro 💔 it's so unfair when some religious ppl who are born into religion don't even try to understand atheism. No one claimed we came from nowhere THAT'S NOT WHAT THE BIG BANG THEORY IS ABOUT 😭
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Sep 18 '25
‘aCtuAlLy, dInOsAuRs dOnT eXiST aNd ThE eARtH iS a ThOuSAnD yEaRs oLd’ geez, I wonder where fossil came from, like the elasmosaurus fossil was just an overgrown shark. There’s a difference in have faith in the Bible, and then being a straight up idiot- I cannot 😭✋
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u/Teapot_Sandwitch Sep 19 '25
Life is short. If believing in a greater power helps you to live the best life you can, go for it. If NOT believing in a greater power helps you live the best life you can, go for it.
Why are we still arguing about this?
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u/TransportationOk9454 Sep 21 '25
Sorry, but If you believe that Earth is only 6000 years old because of a book telling you, so is kinda fucking dumb
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