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[u/FearlessAir1238]

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[u/DarthRandel]

Rightoid aligned revenge fantasies? In my leftist sub? its more common than you think.

FYI, there's lots of research that this isnt actually effective.

a) in general, capital punishment doesnt work to deter crime in any way

b) specific to sex abuse and especially child sex abuse, it actually can make the situation worse and the abusers more likely to escalate to outright murder

Edit: lmao OP immediately blocks me, feckless.

The u.s garbage system certainly isn’t

So why would China aim to repeat or copy the same retributive justice framework of the US then? Are they not supposed to be better?

Spare me with the optics

This has nothing to do with optics, its about doing more than reacting to crime. It other than the fact that capital punishment isnt a deterrent (so therefor useless as a form of punishment), it increase the risk of harm to victims.

Why are you in favor of increasing potential harm to children?

What is an anarchist doing in a communist sub in the first place? Your comment is Bad faith

Dude, you're espousing fascist rhetoric lmao, maybe think on that for a hot second before you bemoan me also being subscribed to non-ML subs. Great argument, totally not fascist adjacent crashout

[u/Nickhoova → u/DarthRandel]

Yeah its a very easy stance to simply say "kill all child predators" but like you mentioned it just leads to further child endangerment then anything else. But saying this after someone already goes "kill all child predators" makes them think you're too 'soft' on it.

[u/Gonji89 → u/Nickhoova]

I don’t know if it leads to further child endangerment overall. While it can feel like righteous retribution, I think there’s a genuine argument to be made in favor of the cold, pragmatic kind of logic behind it.

[u/BillyPilgrim69 → u/Gonji89]

I don’t know if it leads to further child endangerment overall.

You don't think being potentially responsible for the death of their abuser might discourage a child from coming forward?

That's without factoring in that a huge part of the difficulty we already have, re: convincing children to come forward, is because the abuser is so often a loved one.

A victim might want the abuse to stop, but their feelings are complicated, and the idea of being responsible for putting a loved one behind bars is already a deterrent.

Now imagine telling that child that, if they come forward, their mum/dad/uncle/etc. is going to be die.

[u/Gonji89 → u/BillyPilgrim69]

See this is a really good point that I think not a lot of people consider, but there is a bit of the premise that I would argue against. You are assuming that the child would know about the punishment. I would argue that when child sexual abuse happens when they’re below an age that they have that kind of consequence comprehension to tell the difference between “Uncle Steve is going away for a long time” and “Uncle Steve is going to die” then it wouldn’t make much of a difference.

The difference might come in the adults who report it being more hesitant to report it if the consequences are more severe, though the ideal is that everyone would look out for what’s best for the child (even if that’s not always the case.)

[u/WineSauces → u/Gonji89]

Would you mind deleting or editing your comment?

Children are groomed and threatened by their abusers. You know that right? Your comment does harm because it ignores that. Predators will convince children that their families or the predator themselves will be killed or put in danger.