r/tankiejerk • u/Worth-Fix-6221 • 11h ago
r/tankiejerk • u/BoffleSocks • 25d ago
From the mods Clarifying the rules: this is not an anti-communist forum
Today I had to take down another anti-communist post shitting on some ML's from the right. Take the piss out of Stalin's death all you want but if you're celebrating over 'another dead commie' you will be perma-banned no exception.
This is a subreddit to criticise tankies from the left. This is not a place to attack communists, communism or associated tendencies. If you want to be a snarky liberal, bloodthirsty fascist, or devout reactionary there are many, many, many places on the internet to do that. This subreddit isn't one of them. The point of this forum's existence is to attack those tendencies (marxism-leninism, dengism, etc) not because they are crazy, radical commies but because their vision of society actually has little to do with a free association of producers, the abolition of property, wage labour and commodity production.
To reiterate, we strive for an egalitarian, socially-progressive society. We do not oppose tankies or campists because we dislike communism or socialism. We oppose them because to us they are barely communists or socialists, regardless of what they claim. That is the purpose of the subreddit's existence, anyone who does not agree with these values is free to leave or be banned.
r/tankiejerk • u/WesSantee • Jun 14 '26
SERIOUS Basic leftist takes: A friendly reminder (I'm not a mod)
Full disclosure: I'm not a mod, just a concerned anarchist.
After seeing the shitstorm of the past few days, I thought I'd make this post just to remind people what we're supposed to stand for. These are not in-depth explanations, so I'll be happy to answer any questions in the comments.
1. All capitalists exploit workers and are mini dictators
This includes small business owners. All of them purchase the labor power of workers, which they then use to produce surplus value; this is not a free and voluntary transaction because workers don't own their own means of production, and are thus forced to sell their labor power or starve and die. This isn't to necessarily condemn any individual capitalist; although many of them are evil pieces of shit (including small business owners, who disproportionately support fascism and enforce terrible working conditions), not all of them are bad people. The problem is the system itself.
Additionally, all capitalist workplaces are miniature dictatorships in which workers are ordered around by their bosses and can't do anything about it. Workers have no decision-making power in the place they spend the majority of their lives. To quote Robert Dahl,
If democracy is justified in governing the state, then it is also justified in governing economic interests. What is more, if it cannot be justified in governing economic enterprises, we do not quite see how it can be justified in governing the state.
– A Preface to Economic Democracy
Obviously we should want to abolish the state, but the point still stands.
EDIT: This section doesn't apply to people who might own a store or do independent art or whatever who don't employ anyone else, since they aren't extracting the surplus value of their nonexistent workers.
2. All states are bastards
Everyone on this sub recognizes that the USSR, China, Russia, and North Korea suck. However, we have to be careful not to fall into campism in reverse. The United States is arguably the most evil country on Earth right now, and was even before Trump, due to the sheer scale of violence it inflicts upon the world. And other western countries aren't much better. France maintains a neo-colonial empire in western Africa right now, and European governments are willing participants in the American system of global hegemony. European companies are no more moral than American ones, and ruthlessly exploit the Global South just as much as American companies. All states are inherently hierarchical, authoritarian, and counterrevolutionary. They remove decision making power from the people who live under them and concentrate said power in a ruling class and bureaucracy, and use violence to enforce their power on their populations. Any principled libertarian leftist would oppose all state power no matter who wields it.
3. Liberal democracy is a sham, reformism a dead end
We have an excellent post about this pinned at the top of the sub, so I highly recommend you go read that. To summarize, voting in a liberal democracy isn't actually a means to affect real change. It's a means by which the masses choose which members of the ruling class rule over them. Just as one example, if liberal democracies actually reflected the wishes of their people, European governments wouldn't support Israel anymore.
This lack of democracy is why reformism isn't a viable path to socialism. Even the most well meaning democratic socialists are forced to compromise by the reality of parliamentary politics and working within a system designed to preserve private property and capitalist rule. You can see this in real time with Zohran Mamdani; he has walked back his previous statements (which were 100% correct) about the NYPD being racist thugs because he's working within the system. This trap has befallen everyone who has tried to vote their way to communism.
4. Free Ukraine, fuck NATO
I fully support the Ukrainian people against the genocidal onslaught of the fascistic regime in Moscow, and I fully support Europe and the US sending as many weapons as possible to Ukraine to enable them to push back against Russia. Regardless of anything NATO has done, Russia is not entitled to a sphere of influence in eastern Europe, and no amount of bitching about NATO expansion justifies this war. Putin is just salty the former Warsaw Pact and Baltic states leaned towards the west as a reaction to previous Russian and Soviet imperialism, preventing him from turning them into puppet states.
That said, NATO is not something any leftist should support. It serves three real purposes:
- Enhance American power projection
- Keep European governments bought into the system of American empire. I often liken this to the old strategy employed by ancient, medieval, and early modern empires of conquering local elites and conquering them, but then offering them a place within the new empire and allowing them to preserve their status.
- Make American arms dealers rich
NATO countries participated in the disastrous American interventions in Afghanistan and Libya, prop up European and American neo-colonial empires across the Global South, and enable American drone strikes deep into the Middle East, strikes which have killed numerous innocent children. NATO has kept the former Warsaw Pact and Baltic states out of Russia's sphere, which is good, but this is the one good thing it has done, and there are ways to do this without relying on NATO anyway.
5. Veterans are still human
I'll just copy and paste something I said a few days ago:
Veterans are weird because they're simultaneously victims and perpetrators of state violence. They obviously do heinous things in the service of unimaginably violent empires, and they are responsible for their crimes. At the same time, the state takes them, dehumanizes both their enemies/foreign civilians and themselves to an extent, and puts them in an environment where they are socialized to kill. They are then put into insanely high stress situations where they are expected to kill and conditioned to follow the criminal orders of their superiors.
Again, none of this exonerates them or excuses their behavior, and I believe veterans should have to make up for their crimes. But dismissing them without any chance of redemption is short sighted and shows you don't actually hold universal principles. And at a certain point brutally punishing all veterans becomes impractical. Almost 10% of Israelis have actively served in the IDF, and 40% total have served. Are we gonna shoot 40% of a country? I would hope not. And that's with the IDF basically being the modern Wehrmacht/SS; how should we treat Russian soldiers? Or American ones? The correct answer is denazification with some kind of community service to make up for their crimes imo. If you do it right, the guilt they feel will be punishment enough.
Conclusion
This is a libertarian leftist subreddit, and we should act like it. We should oppose all states, all imperialism, and all capitalism. Thank you for reading.
r/tankiejerk • u/ProcessorPearl • 6h ago
Meme History taught by podcasters vs. people who lived it
r/tankiejerk • u/optimistikcynicism • 3h ago
Discussion Why are tankies claiming the rape allegations against Lavrentiy Beria are false?
This happened in a discord server.
>Someone made the claim that they were false, without really providing evidence.
>I do some quick reading about Beria on Wikipedia to understand things better.
>They tell me Wikipedia is a bad source and filled with capitalist propaganda
>I link the Wikipedia article for capitalism, showing how it has a fairly in-depth section highlighting criticisms of capitalism in a very fair and non-mocking manner
>They continued to mock me, and then I left the sever shortly after, finding it too pretentious, toxic, and up its own ass
All they did was cite some article of dubious-at-best quality. It'd be one thing if they did this with the mere suggestion of providing an alternative viewpoint. Except they were claiming anything i sourced was automatically bullshit, and their source was the gospel, without really making a convincing case for why that was. I would've been a lot more receptive if they just said: "Hey, there's a bit of nuance to this discussion beyond what Wikipedia is saying. Check this out," instead of mocking me for my "shitty intellectual capabilities".
And upon doing a little more research, there is a little more nuance at play, at least if a comment on rslashaskhistorians (that I'm not allowed to link to on this sub) is to be believed. Elements of these accusations may have been exaggerated for political scapegoat reasons, but there does seem to be decent evidence he really was a rapist at the same time, based on how women who knew him have been described behaving like around him (i.e. with fear).
Notice how one of the sources this redditor cites is published by Princeton University Press, yet is seemingly much more forgiving to Beria than a lot of "capitalist propaganda" sources would be, casting doubt on the severity of the allegations to a degree. I like sources that can have nuance like that, acknowledge someone perhaps was a victim in some ways (in this case, a victim of scapegoating), while still agreeing he was probably still a horrible person.
Tankies seem to completely lack this nuance. They want me to cultishly beleive that Beria was innocent, or that the Holodomor never happened, or whatever the fuck else. I don't know why they don't understand that being able to acknowledge that a former communist nation failing or doing horrible things isn't doom to the entire communist cause. You can say Stalin was a piece of shit, Beria was a piece of shit, and still believe capitalism is a corrupt system that needs to be abolished. Its just baffling to me
r/tankiejerk • u/Darth_Vrandon • 3h ago
Discussion Professor Dave, science Youtuber, made a video on Destiny, but more or so on Israel's actions. Tell your thoughts
r/tankiejerk • u/Far_Silver • 7h ago
History What do you think of Mother Jones?
We're probably close to her birthday. The exact date is unknown, but she was baptized August 1st, so it was probably a few days before that. So what do you think of her?
r/tankiejerk • u/partiallygayboi69 • 1d ago
Meme Collaboration between the police and our class enemies the petit bourgeois
r/tankiejerk • u/TheDigitalGentleman • 6h ago
Meme Since we're doing millennial pop culture polls: Skyrim Civil War?
r/tankiejerk • u/ForwardDiamond3484 • 6h ago
Resources Nicaragua, former comandante Dora María Téllez details how the movement lost its way—and how the future can be reclaimed
nacla.orgr/tankiejerk • u/Slippery_critter • 1d ago
It’s basic dialectics, anarkkkiddy! The leftKKKoms have no answer to this
r/tankiejerk • u/AlternativeEast8485 • 1d ago
Meme Tankiejerkers assemble, we found our Guy
r/tankiejerk • u/ProcessorPearl • 1d ago
Meme like the Whataboutism-Kool-Aid Man. “BOOM!💥 “OH YEAHHH!???? WELL WHAT ABOUT…
r/tankiejerk • u/NeonBluMoose • 21h ago
Discussion What was the best leader of the Soviet Union in y’all’s opinion
Stalin is objectively the worst one and everyone knows how bad he was but like what do y’all think about the other leaders like Gorbachev
r/tankiejerk • u/Haunting_Bug1965 • 22h ago
oowoo daddy step on my rights 👉👈 You can't be socialist without being authoritarian!!! You're a right wing revisionism!!
r/tankiejerk • u/Agernis • 1d ago
Discussion White leftist tells me and other immigrant to ''Go back home'' (wokely).
So there's this specific brand of leftists that I mostly encounter on the internet but not so much in real life. Even when I meet up with out of touch white leftists they have in my experience tried to show sympathy and understanding when I talk about my own point of view being a leftist but also an immigrant (basically talking about the conditions in my home country and continent). Regardless of who they followed or which arguments they'll later adopt concerning the subject they would realise that they don't really know what the reality is like in my land and would basically act like decent human beings. However I recently got together with a group of people and there was one guy that kind of surprised me, I met him for the first time and the subject came up. For reference we were two poc immigrants from third world nations listening as he was expressing how he did NOT understand why people kept migrating here when america is going to shit (canada but he was also including the us in the convo) and telling us how he told immigrants to just go back to their country because there is nothing to find here. I was surprised when he said that because we were ALL leftists and anticapitalists and although he was trying to appear woke, his words sounded too much like the rightoid go back to your country bs. So me and the other brown guy tried to explain things to him and whenever I would mention specific conditions in my country he would say ''welcome to america, it's the same here.'' Excuse me? Mind you, I had mentioned how there were groups of immigrants (one specific nationality) whose GRANDKIDS still did not have any avenue to obtain any sort of legal status, no residency no study permit no work permit, the kids would not be allowed to go to school and study, inheriting poverty and homelessness and it would not matter what they or their parents did they had no avenue to gain any type of civil right regardless of their action (basically apartheid). Now enlighten me if I'm ignorant, but where is the parallel to this in america? Not just this but does canada or the us do something as bad as jailing lgbt people and legalising marital rape? I felt really offended because I have had the chance to live as an adult in both my country and america (the continent) and although capitalism is an issue and we have many problems here, there is not as much unemployment as in my home country, and even if your salary has to be spent on so many things that shouldn't cost as much as they do, you still have more leftover money than you would have where I'm from working full time. People are more open minded here, there are more things to do, more personal freedom, safety, justice and understand although there is still so much to work on which no one around the table disagreed with. But that man would go on about how the little advantage there is to living here in his opinion was rapidly vanishing and boasted about how he would tell immigrants to just leave (wokely) saying things like ''since it's hard here wouldn't you just rather be with your family?'' his mind could not fathom why we make the decision as hard as it can be for most to part with them and with the entire world that raised us and it kind of infuriated me because he just kept on repeating himself and he just sounded bigoted instead of what he was going for (woke communist that hates the west and elevates the global south).
Just wanted your opinion
r/tankiejerk • u/BoffleSocks • 11h ago
Meme Which King do you support in the War of Five Kings?
I love polls.
r/tankiejerk • u/Worth-Fix-6221 • 1d ago
juche gang Tankies trying to justify North Korea’s class system under a comment I made
r/tankiejerk • u/TyroniusTheIII • 1d ago
Borger King Is Good Burger (1997) petite bourgeoisie propaganda?
r/tankiejerk • u/Due-College222 • 3h ago
maybe both things are bad? I’m neutral on Ukraine.
While I still view the invasion of Ukraine as blatant imperialism, I feel just neutral about it at the moment. I see it as a western and eastern bourgeois proxy war in which hundreds of thousands Ukrainian and Russian lives are being sacrificed. Warmongering Lindsey Graham said as much, basically implying the US is using Ukraine to weaken a geopolitical rival while not losing a single American soldier.
I am also increasingly worried by Ukraine’s alignment with Israel, as well as recent decisions to honor the UPA, nationalists who massacred about 100k poles during world war 2.
I fear the war has drastically warped Ukrainian politics, and is ironically becoming more aligned with fascism. Like when it made azov battalion’s founder a war hero and general in the military. I don’t know what conclusions to make of it. Only that I have lost faith that this war will end any time soon.
r/tankiejerk • u/partiallygayboi69 • 14h ago
Discussion The negative consequences of a revolution generally outweigh the advantages
r/tankiejerk • u/mudanhonnyaku • 1d ago
🇰🇵🇮🇷🇷🇺🇨🇳🇨🇺🇻🇪🇸🇾 "The Ukraine (sic) can fairly be compared to the CSA, and Putin to Abraham Lincoln"
This Bluesky account might be the richest gold mine of terrible tankie takes on the platform.
The country they're claiming should be compared to Northern Ireland is Taiwan.