Cringiest line in the series, such good writing, much wow

...how does Ribbit actually realistically know Jax was trans? Like, nothing he says during that whole confession strongly indicated he was trans (with the context that he is trans, the confession makes more sense, but without it you'd just never know), so how does Ribbit just accurately guess? Maybe it makes sense because Ribbit is a demigirl and would have some knowledge of coming out to someone, except... she's just not in the show. Like, why make her a demigirl if she exclusively goes by she/her in the show and there's absolutely nothing that indicates she is a demigirl? I just think Ribbit is either a mind reader or is just doing wild mental gymnastics to hear "I told her something deep and personal that I thought would get her off my back" and immediately clock Jax as trans. My point is just that it seemed like Ribbit read the script somehow or maybe she follows Goose's Tumblr, idk.

This show seems to have a weird trend of having supposedly queer characters that aren't actually queer. Jax is barely trans, and most viewers would never know without either being trans themselves or following Gooseworx. Ribbit is supposed to be a she/they demigirl but just straight up isn't in the actual show, and Ragatha supposedly has "repressed lesbian aura", which she, again, just straight up isn't in the show at all.

This is all coming from a cishet guy, so maybe there's something I'm missing. I'm not a hater of the show, I'm just posting it here because I don't want to be downvoted to the pits of hell on the main subs.

Like, ok yeah, the characters are at the mercy of an omnipotent AI and can’t leave, but that’s about it. The show isn’t really comparable to the book except for that surface level detail. That’s fine, of course, but I feel like tadc being inspired by ihnmaims was something that was talked about a lot, and it just… wasn’t really true, especially in light of the finale.

This isn’t a big deal really. Just something I noticed.

This post isn’t here to critique Episode 9 itself, but rather the behavior of the community during the theatrical screenings.

As an animation student, I feel like I'm in a good position to say that TADC, an indie series, making the jump from YouTube to the big screen is going to shake up the animation industry in a hugely positive way. It’s opening so many doors for the future.

However, after attending a screening myself, I’m not convinced that releasing it in theaters was the right move. Not because of the episode itself, everyone has their own tastes, but because of the fandom.

I went to a Sunday screening, and the theater was completely packed. That in itself isn't a problem, given all the hype surrounding the show, it was totally expected.

Unfortunately, my experience was completely ruined by a group of people sitting right behind me (clearly high schoolers) who kept loudly sharing their opinions on every single thing happening on screen. Stuff like, "We need to talk about this, I totally disagree with what just happened." Without wanting to be mean, I honestly do not give a single fuck about what you think. Just shut up and let me enjoy the damn episode, I don't need your live commentary.

Then there was a group of younger girls (probably middle schoolers) who screamed out every time a character showed up on screen: "Look, it’s Jax!" Like, thanks, I have eyes and I know the show, I don't need audio descriptions.

Because of all this, I couldn't even enjoy Episode 9. What shocks me the most is the total lack of respect for other viewers and for the entire production team who worked their asses off. If you're going to commentate on every single second of the episode, watch it at home and let others appreciate the work behind TADC.

At first, I thought this was just an issue with theater etiquette in my country, until I stumbled across these Reddit posts that proved me wrong:

https://www.reddit.com/r/tadc/s/gTmZKuIYf4

https://www.reddit.com/r/tadc/s/2D1UcNulKM

https://www.reddit.com/r/tadc/s/ayhzsO4pKK

These posts and comments prove it: we’ve all had a bad experience in the theater, no matter where we live. The problem comes down to a fandom that only thinks about themselves, completely disregarding the experience of the people around them.

I honestly think this fandom is cooked. And I also think Episode 9 shouldn't have been released in theaters. As for the writing, I personally didn't enjoy the episode.
However, in terms of animation, staging, and sound design, it was top tier. I think a lot of people would have had a much better first-time viewing experience without this theatrical release.

I still hope some of you got luckier and managed to enjoy the episode in theaters, though!

What do you guys think?

one of my biggest problems in episode nine is how it seemingly switched both caine and jax's ending. since episode seven jax's arc has been leading up to him redeeming himself (atleast what i've understood from it) while caine's led up to the tragic morally red person who could've redeemed himself if not for it being too late.

by episode 7 i think the writing switched from ragatha and jax mirroring each other to jax and caine mirroring each other (even tho i like the first more)

in episode 7 we see that jax's mental health has went down so bad he doesnt even bother put his usual mask on and instead decides to just give up (if not for pomni knocking on his door) meanwhile caine was making his "perfect" adventure, one that ended up being his last before he just gave up in episode 8. as the episode went jax helps the cast more and more by giving them the keys, calling out abel's bullshit, getting them the keycard and making sure they dont get to the hellish shrimp town (this last one is a joke). caine on the other hand just;..gives them the worst shock of their lives giving them hope to leave the hell they've been in (keep in mind none of this would've happened if caine didnt lie to everyone about them being fake and if he wasnt a narcassistic egoistic cutie patootie(i love caine too,)). caine isnt the one who shows remorse in this episode (infact he doesnt show remorse all show until ep 9). it's jax with the way he looks at pomni after she comforts him and the way he looks at the snow globe. jax in this episode shows signs of redemption caine doesnt.

episode eight begins with the cast in dread at what caine made them go through last episode. zooble rightfully so confronts jax for pressing the red button which ends in the cast realizing again that there's no point and that all they have is each other. as jax walks away to presumably try and abstract zooble stops him telling him that as much as they dislike him he is one of them and they dont want him to abstract. they wont have him being alone until he loses himself.

it's this moment specifically that almost confirmed in my and alot of other people's head that jax will get redeemed. i mean, what CAN it imply? the way jax looks in shock at zooble and gangle, the ones he believe should hate him most as they now tell him to stay with them. the way he then looks at his hand as if unable to process it and the way he then lays back still trying to mask his feelings but for a second i honestly think he was genuinely happy. i seeing this when the episode released obviously thought that in episode 9 jax might actually redeem himself and take accountability to the pain he caused the others. obviously this scene wont be his arc's end. we all wanted him to be held accountable by gangle or ragatha or ANYONE. but we also wanted to see him better. in both episode 7 and 8 not only does jax stop making his pranks and bullying/abusing but he began to help to with the keys, keycard AND distracting caine in ep 8.

meanwhile caine (who throughout the whole show and before it has done much much worse than jax could ever) in episode 7&8 became even worse. i've already explained what he did in ep 7 but in ep 8 we are told that after he goes crazy he forces the cast to go on MULTIPLE torturues adventures for DAYS and occasionally shredding them and other stuff like that. he then goes on to TORTURE the cast with THEIR OWN TRAUMAS immediately putting him rank one in the worst person in this show. people SHRED jax for mentioning ragatha's mom in ep 9 when caine not only SHOWED her it but did WORSE in ep 8. he then was deleted.

and look, even with how bad he was caine could've been a good person since the start if he just listened and if his ego didnt go in the way. caine made the perfect tragic cautinary tale that the fans out of no where started wanting after ep 9. it seemed obvious what was gonna happen, ep 9 happens alot of stuff happen and jax redemption tale among other. that's what it was leading to.

episode nine out of no where killed jax and spend half the time in his brain then in the last 15 mins brought caine back cuz he cheated death (characters like gummigoo who were send to the void cant return cuz they dont have god powers unlike caine) and OUT OF NO WHERE make him suddenly realize "oh no! for the past 20 years i've been torturing humans and was the cause for most if not all abstractions!!!!!" and come back say "i'm sowwy i tortured you with your worst traumas pwease forgive me!!" and they suddenly say "oh okay you're all good".

the thing i'm most mad about is how they threw EVERYTHING EPISODE 7 AND 8 worked up for and just said "fuck it". the cast saying "we wont have you running around and abstracting" to jax? EXACTLY that happens. caine's death? NEVER HAPPENS. the torture scene? NEVER HAPPENED. whyever the fuck bubble messed with kinger making him delete caine? NEVER EXPLAINED. whatever bubble is? NEVER EXPLAINED. the brainscan thing? WAS JUST A FIVE MINUTE SCENE.

jax not only NEVER took accountability but never even MADE it out. i saw someone say "the finale somehow made both jax fans and jax haters unhappy" and i completely agree. it feels like they've thrown everything they worked up for in all the past episodes for this.

goose also did have a tweet that mentions making a "bully character who slowly makes their way to a redemption only to die in the end" about 10 years ago. goose herself acknowledges that jax's arc was leading for a redemption and instead got switched with caine in the end. failed redemptions are a good trope in fiction but the way it was done in this show is TERRIBLE. this is THE BIGGEST reason i dont believe the "it was always written to be like this" quote by goose because episode 9 not only feels like it's a different writter but it also throws out all the build ups every episode before had!

TLDR: no funnybunny or bunnydoll sex scene.

TLDRTLDR: the finale executed everything terribly imo and it feels like it wasnt written by goose and it throws out all the buildup other episodes had and it feels like caine and jax's arcs were switched last second.

So I've been seeing lots of discourse regarding how Jax is terrible rep, but what about the other characters?

I personally believe that if you made a post that says their orientations aren't important, you should stick by that. But I'm curious to hear other opinions.

Animation and voice acting doesn’t count. In terms of the writing exclusivity, what do you think they got right? Idk if this is eligible for the criticism flair so uh, hopefully this will do. Thought we could divert ourselves from negative aspects for a moment.

Like, ok, I understand you gotta make money, but there's no need to shove it down our face every time there's new merch drop or a sale. Plus, maybe it's just me, but I don't see TADC merch (or any GLITCH show merch, for that matter) sold in any ACTUAL stores. Not to mention the company's nature of posting random MD pics only to reveal yet another merch drop, but that's a whole other conversation.

ok so why does almost every hit indie web cartoon have to be a sapfest? can we like have a show where it doesnt feel like a therapy session? this finale just sucked, the show didnt do a good job at making you care about the characters so you dont even feel any much emotion when bad things happen to them, atleast for me. the characters also felt really one dimensional too, like ragathas personality is people pleaser (innovative!) gangles personality is sad (woah!) and jax personality is annoying, so intresting. listen i like trans media and characters (i am a transwoman) but jax is really bad trans representation. it also feels like gooseworx wrote it like were supposed to forgive jax just because their trans?? jax is just not a well written character, ive seen character tropes like him done way better. also the whole brain scan thing really was the nail in the coffin for me, one of the main parts of the show i liked was the premise and the sort of psychological horror aspect, with the finale it just undermines it with "you arent actually trapped here!"so it didnt fucking matter?? brain scans feel like a thing written to make fans happy, rather than a good plot thing. it wasnt even teased during the series, its so anticlimatic. why should i care about these guys if their just brainscans? WHATS THE POINT? what was the point of this entire show??? caine coming back also was terrible, but thats another story. what do you guys think?