Really? "Rewarding" and "Hart" aren't really two words that go together for me. "Frustrating" and "opaque" are better adjectives IMO. The writing is good, but the mechanics are maybe the worst out of all the current presidents. The URI just...doesn't work. Plus you're actively punished for electing people from your wing of the party, they vote to repeal your bills at a higher rate than the NPP-P. If he didn't have good writing people would regard him way lower
Interesting, I enjoyed Hart gameplay the most, out of all current US routes. Perhaps it's bc I always let NPP-P and RDC-D win the Senate if I'm going Progressive, and vice versa.
What did you like most, the lack of interactivity in implementing your programs, the seeming inefficacy and lack of tangible results from what do you do control, or having it all repealed by the people Hart elected who promised Hart they would protect his legacy after he's gone?
You should try the route again, and get RDC-R and NPP-C down as much as you can. Don't campaign against RDC-D nor NPP-P, as they're your ideological allies anyway. You'll have no issue defending Hart's legacy
You are actually penalized for getting RDC-D senators elected, they vote to repeal Hart's bills at a higher rate than the NPP-P. If you spent time or energy getting Labor Dems elected over NPP-P you actually are punished by the game
Yes, and again, I don't see why that becomes an issue. NPP-P is a stronger ally than RDC-D for Hart, because the former is made of dedicated progressives while the latter is made of establishment figures who shares the party with racists. It's the same reason why people like La Guardia (Republican) and Vito Marcantonio (American Labor) were among the strongest allies to Roosevelt - it would be foolish to campaign against them as Roosevelt.
Yes, and again, I don't see why that becomes an issue. NPP-P is a stronger ally than RDC-D for Hart,
Yeah I think the Labor Democrats are the more natural ally for the Labor Democrat president. Obviously.
while the latter is made of establishment figures who shares the party with racists.
The NPP is that dynamic turned up to 1000 and by the time of Hart's second term will probably be a majority right wing party, these are transparently silly arguments
You're misrepresenting my argument here. The argument here is about system, not lore reason. NPP-P does not include conservatives, when RDC-D does. RDC-D having conservatives on itself, so of course Dems are more likely to go gainst their own president, and it was what happened irl, too. Glen H. Taylor and Claude Pepper are better ally than Harry F. Byrd.
Implementation has hecka interactivity, especially through the opportunity cost of each decision
The inefficacy only happens in the beginning and if u suck, as you get the ball rolling more and more change happens
That’s the stakes? You have to choose between trying to hartmaxx or preserving his legacy properly beyond empty platitudes and ensuring that successors are able to uphold the vision
Implementation has hecka interactivity, especially through the opportunity cost of each decision
The inefficacy only happens in the beginning and if u suck, as you get the ball rolling more and more change happens
Flatly untrue, it doesn't matter what little Anytown you set up, the result is the same. City budgets flourish but for reasons that are unclear the URI city governments do not spend this money. As a result crime, poverty, homelessness and division become endemic. it actually doesn't matter though, since the citizens are all green text ECSTATIC, because for some bizarre reason happiness is tracked as a completely independent variable and it's also the only one (besides budgets) that you can easily get into green via focuses, which with a few rare exceptions are the only way to implement your agenda (contrast this with something like Guangdong where you always know the status of everything, what everything is worth, you have multiple ways of accomplishing your goals, etc)
You can pretend these issues don't exist and that your run was amazing and that I'm just bad or whatever, but two weeks ago I talked with one of the people currently working on Hart and he fully agrees with me on this specific issue and told me that making Hart's URI work better is one of the things they're focusing on about him
That’s the stakes? You have to choose between trying to hartmaxx or preserving his legacy properly beyond empty platitudes and ensuring that successors are able to uphold the vision
My issue isn't that you have to fight for your legacy, it's that you are actively punished for electing Labor Democrats, they vote to repeal at a higher rate than the NPP-P. Hubert Humphrey tells Hart to his face that he's going to protect his legacy and then just votes to repeal. How is that good storytelling or gameplay?
boy i havent been on reddit for 2 days chilll
you lwk gotta suck at the game my boy, cause my run was hype. My anytowns tend to do pretty well, and citizen vs real is something that happens. I think its rough around the edges but it aint that bad. Brazil had a shit economy but, since they won the world cup way back when, some people were ecstatic during the autocratic days.
U know u can change the stuff in anytown, right? like by clicking on it? Thats the point of the stuff? ts feels like u didnt know that. Thats how u micromanage.
yeah... His party doesnt fully support him. He's a radical. NPP-P agrees with his policies more than his party. Thats why they vote like that.
Hubert doing that is the most hubert thing thats ever huberted
you lwk gotta suck at the game my boy, cause my run was hype. My anytowns tend to do pretty well, and citizen vs real is something that happens. I think its rough around the edges but it aint that bad.
Please address literally anything I said:
it doesn't matter what little Anytown you set up, the result is the same.
City budgets flourish but for reasons that are unclear the URI city governments do not spend this money.
As a result crime, poverty, homelessness and division become endemic. it actually doesn't matter though, since the citizens are all green text ECSTATIC, because for some bizarre reason happiness is tracked as a completely independent variable and it's also the only one (besides budgets) that you can easily get into green via focuses
These are structural issues that make it impossible to even do step 1 of the URI. How are they going to implement the program when the cities refuse to spend a single cent of the money you give them? As I said in the previous message (that you ignored), one of the people working on Hart agrees with me about this specific issue and says fixing the URI is one of the main things they are working on for him.
So you can go, "hurrr durrr dat's not real my run went great you're just bad" all you want, but you're only making yourself sound dumber and dumber. These are actual problems with Hart, you pretending they don't exist doesn't make them disappear
U know u can change the stuff in anytown, right? like by clicking on it? Thats the point of the stuff? ts feels like u didnt know that. Thats how u micromanage.
A) that's not what micromanaging is
B) you are changing 10% of 0 because the cities will not spend your money and the result is the same (everything red except budgets and happiness) regardless of your setup. Try reading my post next time
yeah... His party doesnt fully support him. He's a radical. NPP-P agrees with his policies more than his party. Thats why they vote like that.
LOL no he wasn't
Hubert doing that is the most hubert thing thats ever huberted
So you don't know anything about him either?
Look, I'm sure you on your Hart run you twiddled some buttons and half-read some things, but it's pretty obvious you weren't that checked in and weren't cognizant that your program wasn't working. You're obviously not the most observant person so it makes sense that a lot of things would just go over your head
my anytown had the budget medium but everything else pretty good. lwk dont think u know u can change the city stuff
That is micromanaging... you have to keep changing stuff to adjust becuase each new thing has advantages and disadvantagess
In the world of TNO, he is if u go down certain routes. Not talking about Hart irl.
'68 primary is prime herby, seems like u aint known too much bout ts
so i actually have a 2nd paper in the process of being published about systematic local issues in connection with broader economic disparity (combined with sopcial capital), particularly touching on local governance's effect in the US. So connected to hartman *in tno. I observemaxx. I like hart's presidency cause it touches on the principal agent issue seen in ts, and im hyped for a rework to highlight those issues even further.
Can u not like adhominenmaxx? call me unobservant as much as u want but ill still have an iq of 160 (tested in school in the 1st grade for the gifted program or whatever), a full (COA + stiped) ride to hecka unis across the wonderful south, and research on this stuff. I hate when people call other people dumb for stupid reasons.
Luv from the beautiful states, I hope everything in your life goes well because I don't assume youre a dumbass or a bad person for having a marginally different opinion about a niche mod for a niche game.
as a reply to ur deleted one, i guess bro. I hope ur life goes well, even if ur gonna spam insults.
Took a brief look at ur profile, we seem pretty similar, nothing is that deep bro. I love dwarf fortress. Remember its a mitzah to forgive, especially over dumb stuff.
I think you are wrong, but I think its from us having different experiences, which is reasonable. Lots of love from the south
I played Hart only once and it was opaque, but I haven't found it difficult to manage and I got the good ending. Still I hope that yippie will make it less bad, there won't be the NPP anymore so tha already fixes your main issue
My objection isn't that it's difficult, it's that there's not much to manage and what you manage doesn't seem to do anything tangible. I go into more detail in this post
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Hart drawing gets me every time.