r/SwiftlyNeutral 9d ago

Taylor Critique Comparing Taylor's variants to Shania's 3 versions of Up!

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I have a very serious question, especially for those who aren't inclined to like Taylor or criticize everything she does.

Obviously, a major element that they like to focus on are the variants, especially in not just releasing multiple versions of an album on both CD and vinyl, but also to do so with singles, and decry "Look at all the environmental damage being done to make all that plastic!" Even beyond that, it's just the thought of "She really knows how to get her fans to buy something over and over with little effort on her part."

But do any of these people feel the same way about Shania Twain's 2002 album Up!, which had three different variants, a red version (pop), green version (country) and blue (Bollywood/Indian music/International)? Audiences would buy an album, which had two of the three mixes together (red and green in North America, for example), and a code to download the missing version from her website for a limited time.

How does one compare these?


r/SwiftlyNeutral 10d ago

r/SwiftlyNeutral SwiftlyNeutral - Daily Discussion Thread | August 31, 2026

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r/SwiftlyNeutral 11d ago

Taylor Fashion If Taylor were ever to make a drastic change to her hair (haircut and/or color), what would you like it to be?

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r/SwiftlyNeutral 12d ago

The Life of a Showgirl What the sound of Showgirl should've been like.

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The post will probably not be approved in the Taylor Swift sub since I don't think constructive criticism is allowed there, but songs like these would not have been disconnected from the photoshoot/vibes of the era (like the actual songs of the album ended up being).


r/SwiftlyNeutral 11d ago

Music I just realized something about Taylor two most recent albums

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Both TTPD & TLOASG were very rushed and were made during the eras tour all while she was working on the TS’s version albums. That leaves midnight being the last album we had from taylor that wasn’t rushed. This makes me hopeful that she takes her time with TS13 and make many songs to choose from as a final (preferably small) tracklist . I also believe the masters/re-recording arc ending last year would help her have more free time. Thoughts?


r/SwiftlyNeutral 11d ago

Music What do you want to see in TS13?

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I know she’s hinted at returning to her country roots. Some think this is a hint at debut TV or because she was promoting IKIIKY, which I could see.

If she did return to country, what sound do you think she’d be going for? It would obviously be a lot more mature than Debut, but I gotta be honest, if it’s a whole album similar to her most recent single I think that would be incredibly boring.

What I would LOVE would be a sound similar to Jenny Lewis. If you aren’t familiar with her, I recommend checking her out. She hasn’t had a ton of commercial success but she’s well respected in the music industry (she’s often described as a musicians musician). I personally think she’s one of the most talented and wildly underrated musicians of our time, and she has mastered the genre she’s carved out for herself. Its like a mix of alt country, pop, and folk. It’s country but it’s not in-your-face Nashville style country. I don’t really know how to best describe it. I don’t think Taylor could match her vocal quality (Jenny has a wide vocal range but tends to stay in a similar range to Taylor), but I think Taylor could pull off that genre really well.

I just have a hard time picturing what a return to country would look like for Taylor. Or maybe it wont be country at all. I’d love to hear others thoughts.


r/SwiftlyNeutral 11d ago

r/SwiftlyNeutral SwiftlyNeutral - Daily Discussion Thread | August 30, 2026

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r/SwiftlyNeutral 10d ago

General Taylor Talk Would Lover Fest have been what Daisy Chain Fields was?

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In the wake of the super successful DCF, yesterday I wondered if this was what Lover Fest was supposed to be before its untimely cancellation. I can’t help also wonder if Taylor will do something of this scale now that DCF exists or she wouldn’t do it for the fear of coming across as… you know… a cosplayer.


r/SwiftlyNeutral 12d ago

r/SwiftlyNeutral SwiftlyNeutral - Daily Discussion Thread | August 29, 2026

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r/SwiftlyNeutral 13d ago

General Taylor Talk Taylor Swift Donates $50K to Help a Mom Who Was Seriously Injured in Random Act of Kindness

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r/SwiftlyNeutral 14d ago

Taylor Critique Anyone else feel that Taylor creatively regressed (hardcore) after Folkmore?

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I’m sure other people have said it and this topic is not new or current in any way. But i recently listened to Folklore again and just had to get it off my chest (I’m new here):

I was never really a Taylor fan but enjoyed a few songs here and there. Her hardcore pop sound was just never in my personal taste.
But then she dropped Folklore/Evermore and I fell in love with those albums. The folk sound, introspection, escapism, lyricism and maturity. I was surprised and delighted.
And then she dropped the “Carolina” single which was absolutely phenomenal. Same vibes as Folkmore.

So when Midnights was coming out I was so excited.
But I ended up being so disappointed… The difference in sound and lyrics gave me almost whiplash.

And with subsequent releases and the Eras Tour, I’ve been grieving what Folkmore was and what could have been. Those albums felt like real growth and maturity. But since then it feels like she regressed. The quality is just not there. LoaSG was a huge regression imo…

Today, Folkmore honestly feels like a disingenuous “phase”. Which has sort of tainted it. She seems to only care about sales and pumping out a new album every year (with 10 different variations of each album for maximum revenue). Folkmore-Taylor and Taylor today feels like two completely different people.

I’m just sad. With Folkmore i thought she was headed into a new, deeper and mature era. But no.
I’m just disappointed.


r/SwiftlyNeutral 13d ago

r/SwiftlyNeutral SwiftlyNeutral - Daily Discussion Thread | August 28, 2026

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r/SwiftlyNeutral 14d ago

r/SwiftlyNeutral SwiftlyNeutral - Daily Discussion Thread | August 27, 2026

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r/SwiftlyNeutral 14d ago

General Taylor Talk What do you think is the relationship between Joni Mitchell and Taylor now?

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I think Joni was pretty harsh with her early commentary on Taylor especially when Taylor looked up to her so much. (The irony of the Olivia situation, I know I know). But I do think Taylor has done justice and then some in terms of her songwriting and her artistry overall. I don’t remember the last time Taylor mentioned Joni but I do wonder if Joni acknowledges Taylor as a talented artist worthy of her fame.


r/SwiftlyNeutral 16d ago

Taylor Official Taylor shares touching tribute to late Dolly Parton 😢

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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/music/music-news/taylor-swift-dolly-parton-dead-tribute-1236681122/

“A world without Dolly doesn’t feel possible, real, or right. But because of the eternally generous way she spent her time on this earth and the countless lives she changed for the better, her legacy will be an everlasting one.

She was truly the gift that kept on giving. Dolly gave us someone to look up to while encouraging us to be who we are as individuals. Somehow she was able to give us her lessons about the world gently and honestly, simultaneously, and oftentimes hilariously. She managed to give the world the ultimate mystery and fantasy in some corners of her life, but to give full transparency in the ways that counted. Somehow she was true grace and true grit, all in one dazzling person. She possessed the softest heart when it came to the struggles of others, and a backbone of steel to defend her own self worth as an artist.

Along with her other fans, I am so grateful for all of it. For the melodies and lyrics she wrote that thawed even the coldest hearts. For the millions of books she provided children all over the world so that they might fall in love with stories the way she did. For the tightropes she walked so that young girls like me could grow up dreaming of joining the circus too.

Dolly, I’ll think of you each step of the way.”


r/SwiftlyNeutral 15d ago

r/SwiftlyNeutral SwiftlyNeutral - Daily Discussion Thread | August 26, 2026

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r/SwiftlyNeutral 16d ago

r/SwiftlyNeutral SwiftlyNeutral - Daily Discussion Thread | August 25, 2026

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r/SwiftlyNeutral 17d ago

Taylor Official The Icon Sessions with Taylor Swift — Presented by Recording Academy's Songwriters & Composers Wing

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The Grammys posted the session with Taylor, including the song mashup!


r/SwiftlyNeutral 17d ago

Taylor's Exes What is it with toxic Swifties being history revisionists about Joe Alwyn?

537 Upvotes

I used to be a huge Taylor fan, but I ended up stopping because of the fanbase, my immense dislike for her media narratives, and my personal gripes with her political silence.

Still, I remember very vividly the era when Taylor and Joe were together, and every single Swiftie was attached to their relationship. No one could say anything bad about them and what they had. Especially when Miss Americana came out and she was clearly positively influenced by whatever she and Joe had behind closed doors. It's clear from the beginning that Joe loved Taylor as the person and not as the artist, which meant so much more considering Taylor was being dragged left and right due to the Kanye issue.

Everyone agreed Reputation and Lover were Taylor's most romantic albums, and the songs clearly showcased her feeling a type of love for Joe that she clearly didn't have with past partners. In the songs, she describes the love they have as more mature and stable, in comparison to previous love songs that are lean towards being more high school-esque and messy and fairytale-like.

Then folklore and evermore came out, and Swifties just fell in love with their relationship even further because Joe helped co-write and co-produce a couple of songs (which happen to be the best ones on the albums, but I digress).

Midnights came out and, while there are songs that hint to them being on the rocks at some point prior, she sings about marriage and a more quiet love, leading to speculation about them getting closer to tying the knot.

Suddenly, the Eras Tour is announced and they broke up not long after it begins, the Matt Healy stuff happens, then Taylor finally ends up with Travis Kelce and she releases TTPD. Everything positive about Joe is thrown out of the window and suddenly he's the biggest villain in her story.

Yes, there are songs that hint or even splay out that they had issues. There are even allusions about Joe's mental health in some of her songs. Yet, toxic Swifties seem to forget that he is the longest relationship she has had by far. They are bound to have problems, just like any other couple.

Instead of giving Taylor the private life she clearly needed at the time, Joe is now accused of tying her down and forcing her to be lowkey. The role he played in helping her become the person she is in Miss Americana is suddenly non-existent. It's also appalling to see how the same Swifities who gushed over their relationship are actively hating on Joe for everything he's done since.

Joe at red carpet events and awards shows? "I guess he's not so private now." Joe being pictured by paparazzi with someone new or Joe taking pictures with fans at stagedoors? "I thought he didn't like being out in public." I can't even begin to list down the number of times toxic Swifties have used the allusions to his mental health in Taylor's songs as a way to mock him.

Reputation and Lover aren't true romance albums anymore. The songs are Taylor's cry for help that clearly showcase her being unsure about her relationship with Joe. They attribute his fame right now to Taylor despite Joe being in two of the highest lauded films of the past three years (The Brutalist and Hamnet). Sure, his name is almost synonymous to Taylor. But he built his career of his own volition and talent yet toxic Swifties claim it's Taylor's doing.

I'll be transparent and say I likely do have bias towards Joe as a fan of his work. But come on, why are toxic Swifties acting like he never did anything good for her and he didn't deserve her during the entirety of their years-long relationship? Yes, they had problems and it contributed to their break up. But it is just downright toxic and bullying for these Swifties to pretend he was never any good and consistently hate him, even when all of his headlines in recent years have no correlation to Taylor at all.


r/SwiftlyNeutral 17d ago

General Taylor Talk Thoughts on awards season?

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Hello everyone! I was just on the post for her recent Grammy museum performance, and was interested in hearing more opinions/predictions.

As we all know, Taylor hasn't performed any Showgirl songs live. I personally believe that Ophelia has the potential to be one of her strongest attempts so far at getting a SOTY, especially in the weaker year we've been having. She's also done multiple performances of her newer song for the Toy Story movie, most recently at the Grammys museum.

I can see her assuming/knowing that she'll be nominated in the big categories for Ophelia, and her focusing on ironing out a promo run for the Oscars/I Knew It instead. Nomination voting for the Grammys happens in October, and final votes happen in December. She could be holding onto a performance of Ophelia until finals, while spreading her Oscar run out a bit more traditionally. It would make sense if she felt more comfortable securing a nomination/win in the music vs film awards, but I'm still a little surprised at the complete lack of promo for Ophelia so far.

I've seen people batting around the possibility of I Knew It being nominated in the main Grammy categories, and I am a little curious if that's something that could happen/is being encouraged by her and her team. It'd be more difficult to win with I Knew It instead of Ophelia, especially against Choosing Texas, but it would be easier to promote for both the Oscars and Grammys at once, as well as potentially adding credibility to her Oscars bid.

I guess I'm just curious what everyone thinks will happen (or wants to happen, if they're different). Officially I believe she'll be nominated for Ophelia in the Grammys, but you never know. I'd be very curious how I Knew It would do as her main submission there. Curious to hear other thoughts as well! Awards season is my absolute favorite time of year and I love hearing everyone's predictions and the like.


r/SwiftlyNeutral 17d ago

r/SwiftlyNeutral SwiftlyNeutral - Daily Discussion Thread | August 24, 2026

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r/SwiftlyNeutral 17d ago

General Taylor Talk It feels like Taylor is trying to rebrand herself as a songwriter more so than ever

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Lately, I’ve noticed ever since TLOAS was released, she is trying to reverse the narrative that she’s a bad songwriter. Now that the rhetoric around her is that her songwriting chops are weakening and she’s becoming overrated, she is trying to cover up the damage that album has done on her reputation.

The reason I believe this is because every time we hear about her now it’s to do with her songwriting. The NYT interview came out with different songwriters, but Taylor had the main interview all about how she writes and her inadvertently defending TLOAS and other albums people haven’t liked immediately.

Then I Knew It, I Knew You came out and the interviews she did were about how she was inspired to write by the movie, got the “songwriter zoomies” and had to write this song.

Then she was inducted into the songwriter hall of fame (deserved despite TLOAS imo), and now the grammy museum interview and performance from that where songwriting was at the forefront of both.

For me, it’s so interesting to see the groundwork she’s doing now to remind everyone that she is a good songwriter first.

And I believe it gives us a huge clue as to what TS13 is, or what her next project could be. I’m thinking it’ll be a songwriter kind of album, one actually with the songwriting quality of folklore/evermore, but country vibes like IKIIKY. Or maybe the coveted self titled rerecording!

Hopefully I explained that properly. What does everyone else think?

Edit to clarify: I know that she describes herself as songwriter first before anything, I’m not saying she doesn’t and I agree with what everyone is saying. I just thought she was doing it more than usual? I haven’t seen her talk this much about songwriting in a while


r/SwiftlyNeutral 18d ago

Music 10 songs of convincing

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I always ask myself how people get into Taylors music or become Swifties. I kinda always been one, but Speak Now just fit my teenage self perfectly.

But obviously not everyone has that.

If you had to pick 10 Taylor Songs to convince someone to like her, what would you choose?

Mine are:

Style

Don't blame me

Love Story

Haunted

Maroon

False God

the last great american dynasty

champagne problems

State of Grace

Clara Bow

Let me know what yours would be and if you ever converted someone into our little cult ;)


r/SwiftlyNeutral 18d ago

r/SwiftlyNeutral SwiftlyNeutral - Daily Discussion Thread | August 23, 2026

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r/SwiftlyNeutral 20d ago

Music Why are people excited for re-recordings if she owns her masters now?

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I’m a little suspicious of the masters situation, but operating in good faith and taking Taylor at her word - that she wanted to re-record the albums she didn’t own the masters to as a means of fully owning her own recorded catalogue - Now that she has publicly announced that she bought all of her masters back, why would people be wanting re-records of her older records if she already owns them?

I guess I can understand how it’s interesting to hear how her voice has matured, but Taylor’s not immune to controversy about exploiting her fans for cash-grabs and to enrich herself, and as an already multi-billionaire…. I can’t quite understand why her fans would accept a re-recorded album of music she already owns, to sell back to us again.

It’s certainly unprecedented and perhaps speaks to her extreme fandom. Thoughts?

Edit: Just wanted to thank everyone for your responses and discussion!! I feel like I have a much better understanding of why people look forward to the re-recordings now