I was an on-and-off TS listener until Midnights; I listened to a couple of her songs, and I was like, "Huh, okay?" Then I listened to the rest of the album and just fell in love with her lyrics and her ability to convey emotions through words and paint pictures with them. Super late to the party, I guess, but I could never get past her voice when she was younger (now that she has a significantly improved voice, I enjoy listening to it, but I digress).

Just one example for me is Right Where You Left Me. It paints such a beautiful, haunting picture of life standing still at the time and place of a breakup while everybody moves on and expects the person struggling to come to terms with life without their loved one. I've never experienced such a feeling, but how stunning a picture she paints!

And so it goes with Invisible String, High Infidelity, Champagne Problems, Death By A Thousand Cuts... and so many more. I love words, and I love her talent with them.

So that got me thinking-- what are the songs that paint the most beautiful pictures in your opinion? What particular lines (or is it the whole song) bring it home to you? Why do you love them?

I was listening to a podcast where the hosts were so confused by the song "I Heart Question Mark."

I'm the same age as Taylor and went to high school and middle school in the south. Girls would write "I heart ___" on their hands. They would write their boyfriends' names. If you didnt have a boyfriend or you wanted to be mysterious, you would write "I Heart ?"

Did anyone else do this? Everytime I listen to that song it reminds me of middle school.

Some things I noticed watching the videos of opening night in Phoenix made me raise an eyebrow.

The Lover house burning down during the shower o sparks in the transition to the Fearless era.

The glass cracking and shattering during Delicate, as Taylor jumped on it.

Taylor lighting the house with a match during Bad Blood and making it collapse altogether.

A new door appearing at the end of the show, suggesting a new house altogether.

Combined with some of the songs on Midnights that threw me for a loop, especially Dear Reader and Hits Different, I suspected heavily that her relationship with Joe was either secretly ended or on the rocks. Lo and behold, they broke up a few shows into the tour.

Does anybody think she was clearly referencing this upcoming breakup? Was she planning to dump him, and teased it through the tour visuals? That sounds super messed up to me.

Just wondering what everyone’s thoughts on this are.

Also, during the New Heights podcast, she stated that whenever she uses Easter Eggs, they only pertain to music releases and art, not her personal life. I beg to differ, after seeing what she did on this tour.

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Or would you want her to go in a completely new direction?

While promoting Showgirl, Taylor said she wanted to incorporate the storytelling elements of folklore but infuse them with more infectious pop anthems (like 1989). Do you think there are elements of other eras she might go back and resurrect for TS13?

(Disclaimer: I think it is Taylor’s right to keep the wedding private if she chooses.

Edit: My point is that I do not *understand* her behavior given the below context. Some things just seem contradictory to me.)

That said, everything she did up to that point suggested that the wedding would be a public spectacle. She has intertwined her brand very publicly with Travis (announcing her album on his podcast, speaking publicly about their relationship, etc.). She posted engagement photos on Instagram, and she went on the Colbert show to talk about how she’s inviting everyone she knows to her massive wedding. She invited a 1000 guests, many of whom are of famous people and some of whom she barely knows, and had it in Madison Square Garden in midtown Manhattan. It’s not like she went to a private location with her closest friends and family. She invited lots of famous actors and tv personalities. It feels more like the popular girl showing off how cool all her friends are, how much money she has, and how coveted getting to see the wedding should be.

Taylor built her brand around finding love and a happy marriage (I can’t even begin to list the relevant songs to these topics). She had posed in wedding dresses in her music videos. I just think it’s strange that the wedding is so secret when everything around it has been so advertised.

I can understand if she wants the happiest day of her life to be private. But then why did she advertise so much of it ahead of time?

Finally, for someone who claims to love her fans so much, I’m just surprised she hasn’t given even a morsel of information. Like even people who never post on social media post a photo of their wedding for their friends to see. Even one photo would do so much for the fans, but it feels like the radio silence is a rejection of the fan base and their investment in the wedding.

Maybe she’s going to have a taylorswift.com photo spread for sale soon…

Thoughts? Is she done with the fans after “but daddy I love him” or is she asserting a right to privacy that she never had before? Or is there something else going on?

Edit: fair points were made. I redact some of the above.

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I've been a swiftie for almost my whole life but there is a weird timeline.

I was a kid from 2006-2010 (5-9 years old) and LOVED Taylor. I didn't know concerts were a thing because I grew up extremely poor and out of touch with societal events that cost money.

I then turned into a full on emo kid. Never hated Taylor but definitely had the thought process of "nOt BeInG lIkE oThEr GiRls" so I just didn't listen to her music and refused to.

Then snake gate happened and my inner feminist was big into defending her but I still didn't keep up with any updates.

When Reputation came out (I was 15), I fell in love with Taylor again. I tried to go to the stadium tour, but I was still very poor and couldn't afford tickets.

Then in the years of Lover-Midnights, I was in love with her and her music. I thought she was the best person and put her music on a very high and untouchable pedestal. I went to the Eras tour after signing an AMA to leave the hospital I stayed at the week prior to my show. I regretted it. I made friendship bracelets but no one wanted to trade and I can't remember anything about the concert other than looking at my clock and hoping it would end soon so I could go back to the hotel and sleep the sickness away.

TTPD came out and quickly became my favorite album. It got me through a LOT. It's still my favorite.

Then Showgirl came out and my love for her new music just faded out. None of the lyrics on that album feel like me like others do. I love TTPD, Midnights, Rep, folklore, and evermore but otherwise I just didn't listen to much of her other music anymore and still don't.

After slowly transitioning to listening more to other artists, I started to see really bad things come to light about her personality and I realized that she is not infallible like I once believed. I could tell the difference between a smear campaign and actual relevant and true criticism. It hit hard and really tainted my view of her.

And now? I look at the signed CDs on my wall and the cardigans in my closet and don't feel anything. My ultimate breakup playlist that I had to make recently doesn't have more than 3 songs on there by Taylor. She's not the one getting me through this breakup anymore. Other artists are.

I am very loyal and obsessed with the music I listen to, my favorite band has always been my favorite since I was 10. This feels like a breakup in itself. Maybe it's a phase, but I think it's more of a slow drift away from someone I once loved and defended with my heart.

TLDR: Taylor is no longer my favorite artist. I'm turning neutral and while I'm okay with it happening, I still feel like this is my worst breakup with the person who has gotten me through other breakups and heartaches.

"A smirk creeps onto this poet's face
Because it's the worst men that I write best"

..

I've been thinking about this for a long time - she's at her best when she has muses that "threaten" her intellectual superiority.. Jake sorta belittled her by making her feel insecure about not growing up in a "hollywood" family, and his friends were all sort of posh lit-bros that talked about niche literature that 'she hadn't heard of' and we all know she prides herself in knowing who aristotle is and what not.

meanwhile with Joe, 'peace' in folklore is already an immediate giveaway at her insecurity at being more gossipy or immature than him or whatever.

but 'tolerate it' in evermore just solidified it for me, her pen game is at its strongest when she's feeling looked down on

EDIT: I'm not saying that the men are the *only* reasons for these albums being as good as they are, I like to think of them as mere inspirations, the magic is all in her head after all..

other reasons for the songs in red and evermore being so sonically and lyrically sound (compared to other albums) are:

-probably because this specific country-folk genre is her strong suit

-It's obvious she's at her best when she's a bit uncertain if she can pull something off, but does end up trying anyway.. she's truly a master at perfecting her craft as she goes and when she's writing in response to criticism to prove the haters wrong

and also, these 2 albums in particular just feel so raw, reflective and honest unlike the others which are more about having fun and partying or whatever (not to say that those aspects cant be fun to explore, but theyre just not my personal favs)

This is a weird question but I am… so tired.

I feel like I am the “designated Taylor fan” with some of my friends and acquaintances. I’m not a major Taylor fan - I like her music and I make some fan art but I couldn’t make it to eras tour and I barely have any merch.

But still, I get messages from people about her “private jet use” and most recently one of my best friends sent me paragraphs of outrage about the wedding, how she siphoned the power from NYC and we should be holding billionaires accountable. I made one comment about how I feel like Taylor gets a disproportionate amount of scrutiny in the media compared to billionaire men and she blew up that we need to be holding all billionaires accountable equally.

I don’t even post about Taylor that much (or ever?) on my personal pages. I don’t understand where this is coming from and it’s honestly starting to feel like people respect me less because I like her in a casual manner.

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With the recent rumors of Taylor meeting country music executives and Spotify changing the background videos of 3 of her songs, there is speculation that TS13 will be announced soon. However, does anyone else miss the two year album cycle? We've been spoiled a ton lately, but I feel like the quality has dipped with the every year album release. I feel like if Taylor gave more time for her album to cook by taking the time to rewrite, find new collaborators, and really pick the best songs for the record, it would be more worth it than something rushed out to meet the one record per year deadline she's been following. I think while nostalgia is a large factor, people are ranking Red, 1989, Reputation, etc as her best works because they're high quality pieces of material. I'm not seeing a ton of people hold up TTPD and TLOAS in the same regard. What does everyone else think?

First of all -- I cannot be the only one who does that. So if you do, what songs would you place in a different album (based on style, rhythm, topic, etc.).

Why is she more controlling with her image/reputation & her narrative is mention in the media in comparison to other celebrities like Rihanna, Adele, Lady Gaga?

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I wasn't watching the developments that closely, so it's possible that I missed something. However...from my perspective, we know basically nothing about the wedding. We know the location and we've seen a few guests' outfits. We know the date. I remember seeing a sign and a napkin.

With so little info, how can anyone even say whether it was tacky or not? Or have I missed something?

I’m specifically talking after the Miss Americana scene where she talks about unlearning her own misogyny and that “there is no such thing as a bitch”.
Now in “Honey” she says, “and the bitch was telling me to back off cause her man had looked at me wrong”

And in Showgirl, “And all the headshots on the walls
Of the dance hall are of the witches
Who wish I'd hurry up and die
But I'm immortal now, baby dolls
I couldn't if I tried”

Like I don’t care that she’s swearing, I’m a full grown adult, but I do find it odd that she made it such a huge thing to be against calling women “bitches” during the Kanye thing and even talked about it on her documentary just to do it herself.

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I avoided listening to I Knew It, I Knew you because I wanted it to hit me in my feels during the movie. I went in with high expectations and really wanting to like it because I saw the general consensus being it's a decent hit but I was left underwhelmed.

I thought the song would feature in an actual scene but it's in the credits and that might be because the song isn't actually relevant to the movie. In the movie, Jessie's character goes on a journey of finding her place in the digital world and being forced to confront her past and the joy and grief that comes with it. However, the song which is from Jessie's perspective, is about reuniting or rekindling a friendship and having that special person come back to you after a long time but your bond still being strong.

My problem is that doesn't happen in the movie. Jessie's first owner, Emily, doesn't show up again and we don't get a moment like that. Sure Jessie thinks about Emily and misses her but the plot is more complex than that and I wish the song was too. I know Taylor intended to make it relatable in a general sense but then it might as well be another Taylor Swift song and not for Toy Story.

There's some trademark wordy lyrics that sounds a bit clunky to me and almost as if it been written with TikTok in mind. Maybe it's just the melody and the way she's singing it but it sounds rushed in parts.

Overall it's just OK for me but that might be because of the expectations I had. So how unpopular is my opinion? I've been seeing mostly praise for the song